Mopai nei kung, there has to be an equivalent!

[Green Tiger]

Gary Clymans material looks like it could make a person pretty powerful. From what I read - if your serious you have to do 4 hours of his NeiKung a day minimum.

 

I think that is the key. If you really want to progress in NeiKung, you need to practice A LOT! And it might help if you have a natural affinity for it.

 

You might want to start with some simple sitting and standing practices while you're looking for an instructor.

[Mokona]

What information are people reading that makes Mopai seem so interesting?

[effilang]

What information are people reading that makes Mopai seem so interesting?

 

I think people get sucked into Mopai, because it is one of the few accounts of a working system that outrightly demonstrates it's capacity for supernatural abilities.

 

My intention is personally to create my shen spirit so i can fuse my current personality with the immortal soul and live outside of the body eternally.

 

The driving motivation behind this is mostly compassion. I want to come back to roam the void and all the galaxies and universes to explore and learn about existence in all its forms and in all it's scales. Then i want to come back to earth in a humanly form and open martial arts and meditation center where i can teach a hand full of worthy students about Taoism and help the populace ascend one person at a time, no matter how long it takes.

 

My ultimate goal is to open the eyes of others, to release them from the bonds of rigid non-fruitful religious doctrines and show them the true and practical religious methodology for realizing the primordial self and escaping rebirth.

 

I want to be of service to humanity, to heal, to help and to illuminate their minds.

 

In the process of this all, i know i will attain all these superpowers that everyone is so excited about, but i try not to make them my aim, for i know this attachment will only hinder my progress.

[Ish]

What information are people reading that makes Mopai seem so interesting?

 

The teacher has demonstratable power as a result of the training.

 

Many schools are ambigious about progression/enlightenment, whereas in Mo pai there are levels and signs.

 

It's purpoted to make one very powerful even within the first few levels.

 

Its secretive and closed off so of course this makes people want it even more.

 

There have been westerners who have gone and confirmed the teachers power and the practice.

 

By saying that Mo pai cultivates Yin energy and why thats important instantly puts it above many other practices (supposedly).

 

Im sure theres many more but thats some of the attraction

Edited July 9, 2012 by Ish

[Mokona]

I'd be more interested in SM or KAP teachers. But we all have different goals.

[shaq786]

Are there equivalents to Mo Pai? Oh believe me there are equivalents. All of these powerful masters are in hiding in plain sight, and for good reason. I've been privileged enough to train under one, and from his personal words, he will never be eager to show off what he has.

 

Its not about showing off...its about building yourself up and self improvement.

 

This man would rather hide from the media and from such amounts of attention because he's learned in the past that once you expose yourself all kinds of nutso's come out from the waterworks.

 

The reason why masters with such large amounts of powerful qi are not keen to show forth what they're capable of is because once it gets out, it attracts such a large amount of crazy ass people - power hungry crazy ass nutjobs who think that they're going to be the next sith lord, world messiah or demigod martial artist.

 

Here you are attacking everyone who has curiousity to learn something new and interesting. Who are you to judge and what gives you the right to judge someone else's motivations for wanting to learn the way?

 

A well known member just private messaged me on here, I wont say his name telling me that the same old card is used over and over by people on this forum who think they are better or more advanced in their discipline and tell others "Your not ready to learn" or "You don't deserve to learn it" or "You lack to discipline to learn it". If you think the people that want to learn Mo Pai have an ego issue with wanting power, I can only imagine what some of you self-proclaimed masters think. You are acting no different than a power hungry person who wants power by trying to control and deter people from learning what they want.

 

who think that they're going to be the next sith lord, world messiah or demigod martial artist.

 

I'll play devil's advocate...There are many black arts on this world not related to qigong in the supernatural realm for which people have strange and unusual powers. Are some of them evil...oh yes...do they come out in public? No they dont. So your first assumption of trying to group power hungry people, evil people, and showing off all in one batch is ignorant.

 

There are people who want this power to make the money or want this power to do bad...but you know what...the universe doesn't discriminate on motive alone. There are many people out there that practice white magic and black magic for their own purpose. If the universe or mo pai truly discriminated against good vs bad intention then there wouldn't be an ounce of bad in this world. Its Yin Yang...

 

 

You can see why Mo Pai attracts such a large number of people who are hungry for nothing but power like the OP. Such a large number people who think of the money fame and the power. People who want to be more "special" than all the rest of us.

 

The reason why people choose a school like mo pai or similar to mo pai is because it has a lot of promise for self advancement of the individual. Its human nature to see evidence in front of your eyes and go with that evidence. You try to lump everyone into one category and are trying to say "You dont deserve it because you think your too special".

 

 

The funny thing is that none of these systems work that way. It is karma which is the deciding factor. Most people do not possess the innate amount of talent to make progress. Check Magus of Java - you will see that John's old master saw his karma - that he had the "gift". Not even if the full system was laid bare before you would you be guaranteed of any progress. People like John are one in a million. If you look at Jim's group of mo pai aspirants which numbers in the hundreds, you'd be hard pressed to find a handful who are past level 1. Many have been practicing a number of years and just given up. What does this tell you?

 

I can tell your motivations here are trying to deter aspirants from training even if they had the manual in front of them. Its like saying Mr X is a world class Muay Thai fighter and world champion...and now there are 100's of fighters training, but Mr X is 1 in a billion. And these other 100's of fighters only make it to level 1. What you fail to see is...its not about trying to be like Mr. X. Its trying to strive for the most you can give. With your negative thinking you will never be your true potential. I'd rather be a muay thai fighter and be level 1 than never making it.

 

And lastly I hate to make it so obvious to everyone here but if your reading this don't try to justify your intentions on why your training in an art to seek approval for people here...Stop trying to show that you have good intentions...because you will get guys like this person here thinking he knows more because hes trained in QiGong for many years.

Edited July 10, 2012 by shaq786

[Sifu ReL]

i like you Shaq, your a pretty stand up guy. and the last message you post is right...

i too wish to learn mo pai for the empowerment of my martial art ability...kinda like a DRagon ball Z sorta way.

its funny how when you ask a question like "is there another system equivalent to Mo Pai", you get alotta bull shitters kickin the wheel on here....but you gotta admit if a True master showed his ability he would have lets say 10000 ppl contact him to learn. and if your one of 10000, you will almost never get your turn with the master 1 on 1. so its better they stay secret so for the student that does contact the master gets what he/she needs....but dont give up, if you never find the mo pai system , meditate and create your own system...i mean some one had to be first person to create the mo pai system...i say theres gonna be a new age manuel soon...specialy with the new age of man coming @ the end of 2012.

other then that if any one has any good info on the "lightness skill" i would really apreciate it!

[Sloppy Zhang]

What information are people reading that makes Mopai seem so interesting?

 

because it is one of the few accounts of a working system that outrightly demonstrates it's capacity for supernatural abilities.

 

Proven. Verifiable. Repeatable. Results.

 

That beats theory, mysticism, dogma, and superstition every time. Evidence? Exhibit A: Mo Pai.

 

Your stuff is good? Prove it.

 

What? You think you don't have to? Fine. Just don't ask why people don't pay attention to your stuff as if it's some big mystery. You might be having daily interactions with higher spiritual consciousnesses and subtle spiritual energies. But guess what? For most everyone else out there, it's about as real to them as their favorite fairy tale. It's a nice story. Maybe has a good moral. Fun to listen to. Fun to tell. Would they make life decisions based on it? Well when push comes to shove... doubtful.

 

Make those spiritual forces as real to people as gravity? Well people start to pay attention.

Edited July 10, 2012 by Sloppy Zhang

[Birch]

Badaabing badaaboom!

 

I reckon there's other stuff one can do with so much time. The Tibetan stuff does seem to be the most 'out there' but look, it's a country and (arguably) culture in relative decline. What I mean is the nascent mindset is in the process of changing in order to salvage practices by letting non-Tibetans know about them. Evangelising I think it is not, but I haven't seen the spread of "Taoist" ideas and practices to the extent I've seen buddhist ideas and practices. I wonder why that is.

[thelerner]

The driving motivation behind this is mostly compassion.

 

My ultimate goal is to open the eyes of others, to release them from the bonds of rigid non-fruitful religious doctrines and show them the true and practical religious methodology for realizing the primordial self and escaping rebirth.

 

I want to be of service to humanity, to heal, to help and to illuminate their minds.

Dang it, that sounds real similar to the missionary door knockers I just sent away. Except your version of religion will be the absolute right one- Because of your unique super powers and insight.

 

You know what, live your truth, help others if they ask, but I don't think we need another would be messiah running around. With the internet we can google'em by the dozen.

 

What's got the most plus's of any post lately is the guy who said 'the real masters are the quiet ones'. That resonated. Maybe with real power comes real wisdom and that creates the realization that people have to figure out there own damn problems.

Edited July 10, 2012 by thelerner

[Jetsun]

Badaabing badaaboom!

 

I reckon there's other stuff one can do with so much time. The Tibetan stuff does seem to be the most 'out there' but look, it's a country and (arguably) culture in relative decline. What I mean is the nascent mindset is in the process of changing in order to salvage practices by letting non-Tibetans know about them. Evangelising I think it is not, but I haven't seen the spread of "Taoist" ideas and practices to the extent I've seen buddhist ideas and practices. I wonder why that is.

 

I heard someone say that many Taoists were too worried about their enemies gaining their knowledge and masters were too worried about loosing their income to open up and spread the teachings more widely, so then when the persecution came after the Cultural Revolution much knowledge was wiped out as it had been kept too secret for selfish reasons.

 

While Tibet was somewhat unique in that it was largely cut off from the rest of the world and the whole country was pacified and not in competition so the teachings could be spread without much fear. But now the Tibetans have realised the hard way that they can't stay in isolation and have to spread the teachings for the good of all rather than keep them for themselves, some even say that what has happened was a punishment for not spreading the teachings more widely so now they have to learn from their mistakes which is why you now see Tibetan Buddhist masters giving empowerments and teachings on a big scale sometimes hundreds of people at a time. But unfortunately for the Taoists it is largely too late as there are not many legitimate lineages which have survived.

 

We have to hope the new masters don't repeat the same mistakes and keep the teachings too exclusive or charge too much money. Mo Pai isn't adapting too well to the new world so I wouldn't be surprised if it dies out or becomes overly diluted within a generation or two.

[Prince...]

If you want to practice Neigung to improve your martial arts, that's not seeking power. At least you have a measurable goal.

 

Mo Pai comes from a certain region, and all of the schools that come from that region are most likely equivalents. There are other schools, other teachings that produce results-- the difference is that developed practitioners have not been filmed or appeared in books that have been discussed for the last ~20 something years.

 

If you stick around this community, you will see that there are people on this board teaching from authentic Taoist lineages. They don't advertise. They don't get involved with the "how great is your teacher" threads.

 

If you're interested in this for martial arts, I really think you should get out and actually look at what's available in the different styles. Some people just want to talk about fighting; some people want to fight and not talk; some people want to fight and talk; and some people are doing some stuff that will completely blow your mind when you meet the people with "the goods."

 

I've gone that route. It takes time, but I've learned over the last few months that a lot of the shit I didn't think was real is real.

 

So yeah, there's other stuff besides Mo Pai out there, and the people practicing aren't talking about it too much because they are too busy practicing.

[Disabled Not Broken]

The most you get out of them is healing and maybe some energy bubble deflection of your students.

 

 

Compare that skill to the world population of 7 billion and you are still on top of the food chain

 

In the land of the blind - the man with only 1 eye is king...

[h.uriahr]

Just because of the link in the other thread I thought I should add to this. Level 1 of the mo pai is known. Level 2a is known. If you want both just purchase Hung Lung Hei Gung from Gaerry Hearfield. It has a standing moving dynamic tension form that does what 2a does plus more.

[BaguaKicksAss]

Aren't levels 1 and 2a already on this forum for free?

[h.uriahr]

Aren't levels 1 and 2a already on this forum for free?

. I'm pretty sure they are but his red dragon is awesome. There's a video or 2 on YouTube that shows 2a. To be honest though I've said too much. Can we pit this thread? I'm tires of the mo pai. As soon as I posted my recent post on here I wanted to grit my teeth and punch myself in the balls as punishment....WWWWHHHHYYYY??! WWWHHHYYY MO PAI WWHHYY???!

[Aeran]

But wouldn't you be pretty insane to try to learn something like that without a teacher? You have no idea whether the guide is complete, no one to gauge your process, or help you if you mangle it horribly.

Edited January 6, 2014 by Aeran

[Thunder_Gooch]

But wouldn't you be pretty insane to try to learn something like that without a teacher? You have no idea whether the guide is complete, no one to gauge your process, or help you if you mangle it horribly.

It's basic meditation, it doesn't get much simpler than that.

[Aeran]

It's basic meditation, it doesn't get much simpler than that.

 

Basic in technique, sure (at least, the first level, which is the only one I've read), but that doesn't mean there isn't the potential for something to go wrong, especially if there are pre-existing problems, or issues from previous improper practice, or if someone tries to practice alongside another system.

[Thunder_Gooch]

 

Basic in technique, sure (at least, the first level, which is the only one I've read), but that doesn't mean there isn't the potential for something to go wrong, especially if there are pre-existing problems, or issues from previous improper practice, or if someone tries to practice alongside another system.

 

There is always potential for something to go wrong, especially with made up and make believe practices which don't lead anywhere.

 

The question here is are a serious seeker, or another newage dabbler wanting the new teacher of the week who has never accomplished anything noteworthy other than being a popular newage teacher.

 

 

Even with a legitimate system and the supervision of a teacher there is risk.

 

 

“If you are successful,” John continued, “by forcing the two together, you also force them to react. Remember, they are not like electrical poles; they do not attract each other, but repel. This is how the spark, the lightning bolt between the two is generated, and you begin to become as I am.”

 

"And if we are not successful?” I asked.

 

“Then you will probably die,” John said softly.

 

“There is no point in doing this type of training unless you are ready to die for it.”

 

The Magus Of Java p109

Edited January 6, 2014 by Thunder_Gooch

[Green Tiger]

Just because of the link in the other thread I thought I should add to this. Level 1 of the mo pai is known. Level 2a is known. If you want both just purchase Hung Lung Hei Gung from Gaerry Hearfield. It has a standing moving dynamic tension form that does what 2a does plus more.

 

How does it compare to his Back Fu Sunn Yee Gung, if you've seen it?

[Aeran]

 

There is always potential for something to go wrong, especially with made up and make believe practices which don't lead anywhere.

 

The question here is are a serious seeker, or another newage dabbler wanting the new teacher of the week who has never accomplished anything noteworthy other than being a popular newage teacher.

 

 

Even with a legitimate system and the supervision of a teacher there is risk.

 

Obviously there's always a risk, I'm just pointing out that said risk is significantly heightened by the lack of a teacher. I guess it's up to the individual if they want to take that risk, but it's there either way.

[Thunder_Gooch]

 

Obviously there's always a risk, I'm just pointing out that said risk is significantly heightened by the lack of a teacher. I guess it's up to the individual if they want to take that risk, but it's there either way.

I disagree on level one, same thing is taught in longmen pai. Those LMP folks don't seem to spontaneously combust.

 

Seems to me more like a sour grapes excuse.

[Aeran]

 

I disagree on level one, same thing is taught in longmen pai. Those LMP folks don't seem to spontaneously combust.

 

Seems to me more like a sour grapes excuse.

 

Longmen Pai is taught in person isn't it?

 

I'm not necessarily talking about level 1, I'm thinking more in terms of 2 - 3, but even level 1, you just don't know. I'm far from an expert in nei kung or TCM or the energetic anatomy, but what I do know is that there are plenty of ways for things to go wrong, and without a teacher, no way to check, understand or account for them.

 

Maybe I overstated things a bit in my first post, but the risk 'is' there. If the individual wants to take it, that's fine, but it should at least be an informed decision. This is doubly important when you consider that on the internet, there's no way of knowing where your information is ultimately coming from. For example I read that level 1 instruction you linked, which makes absolutely no mention of the 'grounding issue.' Someone who only read those instructions could practice for years before realizing that they're supposed to be doing it differently, and who knows how many other such examples exist in levels 2 or 3 or however many are floating around online.

 

And my grapes are just fine

Edited January 6, 2014 by Aeran

[BaguaKicksAss]

*thinks of the few dozen systems which are advertised, or at least recommended on these forums which are taught solely, or primarily, from books and/or videos* ... :'(

 

Edit to add: I'm not sure how any of these would be any better... unless you get together with the teacher once or twice per year at least.

Edited January 6, 2014 by BaguaKicksAss