What do you think of David Icke?

[Unseen_Abilities]

Curious what you guys think of

, is he a bringer of truth, or a madman? I personally think that he makes some very interesting and valid points about some things, but some are preeeeeeetty out there (the whole reptilian thing...) sorry if this is the wrong forum to ask, but this isn't about Taoism so I put it in the General Discussion forum.

 

Peace.

Edited July 7, 2012 by T.S

[konchog uma]

fearmonger

[Jeramiah Zeitigeist]

I have an ex girlfriend who knew him extremely well, years back, before he was famous.

 

I know she is totally honest and very bright. She used to spend a lot of time with him, amongst a small group of men and women who were his friends. The stories she tells me are incredible. If I didn't know her so well, and trust her, I wouldn't believe them. But I have to, because I know she wouldn't exaggerate or lie.

 

So on that basis, i have to say that he is genuine, and knows a lot of 'stuff". I suspect he exaggerates for effect, and uses language and metaphors to get reactions, and perhaps to carry a deeper message. Much like many people have done through the years.

 

She showed me evidence that was very clear, regarding contacts he had with people at high level in the British establishment. Also evidence regarding how the security services watched him, opened his post, bugged his phones, and that also this applied to his friends too. She also suffered from the same, so much so that eventually she left the country.

 

I don't know him, and have never met him. But he isn't a nutter. He is an interesting character.

[Rokazulu]

A lot of these conspiracy theorists (David Icke, Alex Jones, David Wilcock) seem like genuine people who understand a great deal of hidden information through years of research, but on the other side there has been countless "false prophecies" they proposed or odd kinds of misdirections perhaps even straight up lies that people pick up on and begin to not trust there words. You can even begin to question if these people also have an agenda of their own.

 

Reality seems exceedingly odd. It goes so deep, there doesn't seem to be an end to how paranoid you can get.

 

I really don't know what to think about David Icke. Luckily, Yin-Yang go together as one and the grand conspiracy may very well turn out to be the one we were playing on ourselves.

[Apech]

I like to listen to David Icke. I don't buy everything he says but some of what he says is enough to start me thinking about things in ways i didn't before.

[gendao]

Well, the stuff he talks about isn't even subtly hidden anymore. They are just blatantly pumping it out through our mass media now.

 

Here's a recent, grossly-obvious example of such llluminati porn from pop icon Kanye West:

I wouldn't watch it too long though, because it is obviously trying to implant textbook Luciferi@n symbols into your head!

[thelerner]

fearmonger

Yup. He makes a living out of conspiracy theories and fear mongering. I doubt he believes all the crap he writes, but probably has a following of paranoids who see him as a messiah.

 

Undoubtedly like a broken clockcalendar he's right some of the time, but in those cases he does the cause a disservice by reporting in his hyper red alert mode.

 

 

Course trashing him probably means me and anamatva are space alien lizard beings.

Whoops now I have to kill U.

Edited July 7, 2012 by thelerner

[Dainin]

Bringer of truth or madman? Maybe a combination of both. I've heard people state that he is an operative that mixes facts with the wacky lizard stuff to discredit the true pieces...

[chi 2012]

When I was reading the Kunlun threads...The impression I got from the Kunlun people - is that their is a lot of truth to the reptile stuff.

[Jetsun]

I thought the reptile stuff was ridiculous (although the Queen did seem cold blooded) but then I was reading about the Indian Sage Nagarjuna who is probably one of the greatest Buddhist scholars and masters in history and apparently he obtained many of his greatest teachings by going to the land of the Naga's where he healed some of them and in return he was taught the Perfection of Wisdom Sutras as they had been lost from our world and thus founded the Philosophy of the Middle Way, which is why he was given the name Nagarjuna. So maybe their land exists in some sort of different dimension close to ours, or maybe some of them are still knocking about the place or maybe I have just been watching too much Conan.

 

 

Which reminds me I need to try read the Flower Ornament Scripture again

 

"Wherever the Flower Adornment Sutra is found, the Buddha is to be found, and also the Dharma and the Sangha of Worthy sages. That is why when the Buddha realized proper enlightenment, he wished to speak the Great Flower Adornment Sutra, to teach and transform the great masters of the Dharma-body. Since this sutra was a sutra of inconceivable wonder, it was then concealed within the dragon's palace for the dragon king to protect. Afterwards Nagarjuna ('dragon-tree') Bodhisattva went to the dragon's palace, memorized it, and brought it back."

[michael245]

I don't trust david nor alex jones or any of the other conspiracy theorists.And I certainly do not trust anyone claiming to have recieved a message from the astral plains,because I know those kinds of things are FALSE.

[doc benway]

Here's an alternative perspective of David Icke.

http://davidickedebunked.com/

I don't hold an opinion one way or the other - not really interested in the stuff.

[Birch]

I find him entertaining. It seems simpler to listen to him than to dig in and learn about the financial industries or the geopolitics or the corporations running our present.

I suspect that it serves as a 'release' for whole portions of society who would otherwise do something to address some thorny issues.

 

I don't know anything about reptiles but I read it as code for "cold-blooded" people (used to be called "blue-blood")?

The Masons used to be about human development and yogic practice. Now it seems they're just another club/special interest group.

 

Aside from my personal opinion that having a monarchy is insane.

[三江源]

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Edited October 23, 2015 by 三江源

[Jeramiah Zeitigeist]

Thanks for sharing, Jeremiah. (would be interested to know more if you have more to share.)

David Icke has contributed a good deal, an enormous amount really, in terms of initiating people into the wisdom of looking beyond the surface and opening to the deeply unexpected. He's opened up a mental space. Inevitably all sorts of stuff flows into that space and one has to attempt to sort through it in some way.. and I do think tis better to have that space than not to have it. The level of possibility of questioning what you are told and what you see, or think you see, he has introduced onto the menu is unquantifiably creative.

 

I like this clip: it's David Icke on an British TV chat show, two interviews, over a decade apart, compared: interesting to see how empowered David Icke became over the years, and how in 2006 he gets clapped, whereas earlier he is a laughing stock.

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=Y0DDCfNtLjc

 

Hi Cat

 

Not on a public forum. Maybe by PM ?

 

J

[Apech]

Hi Cat

 

Not on a public forum. Maybe by PM ?

 

J

 

Spoil sport!

[Jeramiah Zeitigeist]

Spoil sport!

 

I know !

 

Tee hee hee !

[Jeramiah Zeitigeist]

I know !

 

Tee hee hee !

 

 

Its almost like its all a conspiracy !

[Birch]

Thanks for sharing, Jeremiah. (would be interested to know more if you have more to share.)

David Icke has contributed a good deal, an enormous amount really, in terms of initiating people into the wisdom of looking beyond the surface and opening to the deeply unexpected. He's opened up a mental space. Inevitably all sorts of stuff flows into that space and one has to attempt to sort through it in some way.. and I do think tis better to have that space than not to have it. The level of possibility of questioning what you are told and what you see, or think you see, he has introduced onto the menu is unquantifiably creative.

 

I like this clip: it's David Icke on an British TV chat show, two interviews, over a decade apart, compared: interesting to see how empowered David Icke became over the years, and how in 2006 he gets clapped, whereas earlier he is a laughing stock.

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=Y0DDCfNtLjc

Creative, good point Cat!

[konchog uma]

Spoil sport!

 

shhh lizards will kill you

[konchog uma]

In all seriousness my main gripe about DI is that he purports to be a harbinger of freedom but his books are really just filled with paranoia and conspiracy theory. That stuff might stop people from trusting the world bank (if there are people who are stupid enough to trust the world bank) or it might get people to generate negative emotions for _______ fill in the blank. But it doesnt actually generate freedom for anyone. It just destabilizes people, and i know more people who have read his books and had a psychotic episode or started thinking in disempowered ways than have read them and really feel that they are instrumental in their attainment of personal freedom. So i think his approach to freedom is just called that because freedom sells more books than, oh say, "i am me! i am full of herpetaphobia, paranoia, and negative emotions!"

 

i am not saying that there isNT a global conspiracy, or a war going on for the minds of every last world citizen, or a lot of manipulative destructive etc BS that is perpetrated upon the populace of earth. No. But i don't think he offers the actual solution, a means to attain personal peace and wellbeing in spite of the darkness of this age. For that one needs actual spiritual teaching and practice, not conspiracy theory.

 

the best light i can view DI in is that i think his teachings can be useful at a certain stage of a persons psychological development but ultimate needs to be discarded in favor of love, compassion, and other fruits of spiritual wakefulness.

[Apech]

Herpetaphobia ... wow thanks for that one ... its going to be my favourite word for a week.

 

I admire anyone who is prepared to be different and not put off by the ridicule of the crowd.

[konchog uma]

you're most welcome.

 

and thats a good point, thanks

[Birch]

In all seriousness my main gripe about DI is that he purports to be a harbinger of freedom but his books are really just filled with paranoia and conspiracy theory. That stuff might stop people from trusting the world bank (if there are people who are stupid enough to trust the world bank) or it might get people to generate negative emotions for _______ fill in the blank. But it doesnt actually generate freedom for anyone. It just destabilizes people, and i know more people who have read his books and had a psychotic episode or started thinking in disempowered ways than have read them and really feel that they are instrumental in their attainment of personal freedom. So i think his approach to freedom is just called that because freedom sells more books than, oh say, "i am me! i am full of herpetaphobia, paranoia, and negative emotions!"

 

i am not saying that there isNT a global conspiracy, or a war going on for the minds of every last world citizen, or a lot of manipulative destructive etc BS that is perpetrated upon the populace of earth. No. But i don't think he offers the actual solution, a means to attain personal peace and wellbeing in spite of the darkness of this age. For that one needs actual spiritual teaching and practice, not conspiracy theory.

 

the best light i can view DI in is that i think his teachings can be useful at a certain stage of a persons psychological development but ultimate needs to be discarded in favor of love, compassion, and other fruits of spiritual wakefulness.

 

That was a good post (I thought).

 

It's just really weird to me to think that there are a bunch of people in various places concerning themselves with the 'mover and shaker' roles in the world but in many cases seemingly unable to show concern for people (as in considering them as individuals and not some mass of 'humanity' as it gets called - used to be 'mankind' but that one fell out of fashion).

[Jeramiah Zeitigeist]

 

 

the best light i can view DI in is that i think his teachings can be useful at a certain stage of a persons psychological development but ultimate needs to be discarded in favor of love, compassion, and other fruits of spiritual wakefulness.

 

That is exactly the approach, perhaps the only approach, that makes any sense. Its the one I have dedicated myself to.