Basher Posted August 2, 2012 You go to work, do your job, mind your own business, B.S. with your coworkers ,use a bit of common sense give the wife a hug, walk the dog, meditate a bit and hit the sack. Its living simply , not trying to be the belle of the ball strike it rich or determine the fate of the masses. Stosh Darn, I've been doing it wrong all these years... hugging the dogs and walking the wife ! LOL Basher 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted August 2, 2012 Darn, I've been doing it wrong all these years... hugging the dogs and walking the wife ! LOL Basher Yea but the dogs are happy and wife is slim Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted August 2, 2012 Folks do acts of wei wu wei every day ... Okay, I'm back with you after that post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zerostao Posted August 2, 2012 CD.. Zhi ran and Wu wei has a difference meaning. You can not say that zhi ran is the hidden meaning for wu wei. Tao isn't seems like water. What I meant with the perfect example of wu wei is water is that the characteristic of water can be a perfect example of wu wei in daily life. It flows to the lowest area, it gives many benefit to humans and other creatures and so on, but water has never ask humans or other creatures to pay back what was given. nice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stosh Posted August 2, 2012 (edited) Okay, I'm back with you after that post. Great , Basher can joke there a bit at my expense but what I am aiming at, I think you see There are all sorts of fancy metaphysical and linguistic arguments being employed around the subject,,the conjugations in chinese and western vs eastern tradition etc but in the end , the meaning has to make sense in a real time practical world What the heck does it mean to 'be like water'? What the heck is 'doing but not doing?' and I'm looking at it from the end point perspective first. as in What sort of living brings folks peace? What would a peaceful person be doing down the street from me? What was the perspective he had that enabled him to look at the world with acceptance? And so forth Because I think the ancients did just that themselves! They grounded their ideas in real-world observations. I am well aware my interps are seen as pedantic by some and those folks are expecting weird and inexplicable answers. They think of monks staring at walls and various types of behavior which arent commonplace. But looking at Lao as a wise and indulgent grandparent trying to benefit his own decendants ... all of a sudden none of it seems impossible ,pie-in-the-sky hypothetical dreamland stuff you arent ever going to "get." Nor are there unrevealed hidden nuances in the Chinese that makes much difference. ( good translation is terriffic and difficult but once you 'get' the point ..that job is done and you live it to benefit by it) Stosh Edited August 2, 2012 by Stosh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiDragon Posted August 2, 2012 CD.. Zhi ran and Wu wei has a difference meaning. You can not say that zhi ran is the hidden meaning for wu wei. Tao isn't seems like water. What I meant with the perfect example of wu wei is water is that the characteristic of water can be a perfect example of wu wei in daily life. It flows to the lowest area, it gives many benefit to humans and other creatures and so on, but water has never ask humans or other creatures to pay back what was given. I do understand we have some basic knowledge of the Tao Te Ching. As long we have the basic fundamentals in common, there is no argument about that. Thus we just apply the principle or thinking differently. Thanks.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Basher Posted August 2, 2012 Great , Basher can joke there a bit at my expense ...but in the end , the meaning has to make sense in a real time practical world What the heck does it mean to 'be like water'? What the heck is 'doing but not doing?' Stosh Sorry Stosh, I was just in one of those "devil may care" moods today !!! LOL. Could the Water analogy simply mean "be pliable & adaptable in all circumstances. When you arrive at some sort of obstacle, simply go around it." ? Basher Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiDragon Posted August 2, 2012 (edited) but ......,the conjugations in chinese and western vs eastern tradition etc but in the end , the meaning has to make sense in a real time practical world What the heck does it mean to 'be like water'? What the heck is 'doing but not doing?' What sort of living brings folks peace? What would a peaceful person be doing down the street from me? What was the perspective he had that enabled him to look at the world with acceptance? Because I think the ancients did just that themselves! They grounded their ideas in real-world observations. But looking at Lao as a wise and indulgent grandparent trying to benefit his own decendants ... all of a sudden none of it seems impossible ,pie-in-the-sky hypothetical dreamland stuff you arent ever going to "get." Nor are there unrevealed hidden nuances in the Chinese that makes much difference. ( good translation is terriffic and difficult but once you 'get' the point ..that job is done and you live it to benefit by it) Stosh Stosh..... I don't know have I said this to you or not...!!! You are a gentleman and a scholar...... Edited August 2, 2012 by ChiDragon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted August 2, 2012 Great , but what I am aiming at, Yep. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stosh Posted August 2, 2012 (edited) Sorry Stosh, I was just in one of those "devil may care" moods today !!! LOL. Could the Water analogy simply mean "be pliable & adaptable in all circumstances. When you arrive at some sort of obstacle, simply go around it." ? Basher No offense taken at all !! really ! I thought it was funny too once you pointed that sequence out. And yep I think the water thing is analagous to human behaviors endeavors attitudes , I see it as intentionally imprecise. A big chunk of the wisdom is that you yourself look to see what is the meaning that it posesses. I Sometimes see this one as being true to your nature, taking the opportunities as they arise yet being settled till they do. But the way it feels right to you is the one you should respect. A totally different example of that kind of "general advice" is Tsun tsu's art of war He doesnt know exactly what you are going to face, and cant spell out what you should do, the best he can do is lay out the cards you need to consider and point at the direction one best plays those cards. ( I think its beautifully structured especially considering the subject matter). Stosh Edited August 2, 2012 by Stosh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stosh Posted August 2, 2012 (edited) Stosh..... I don't know have I said this to you or not...!!! You are a gentleman and a scholar...... You have and Im happy to accept the term gentleman since I try for that (mostly) but the scholar thing is a little of a stretch for me to fit but Ill take it when it falls my way. Thanks Stosh Edited August 2, 2012 by Stosh 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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