Orgasm Without Ejaculation

[kundakiss]

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[Everything]

Porn meditation. Its nice to meet a similar fucking minded person lol.

 

Reaching a meditative present minded awareness state during sex can be dull. Yet, when you learn to allow and handle the energies as they come and go, and allow them to flow upwards and all over the place? Baby boom bang smash. Your life will turn upside down.

Edited August 1, 2012 by Everything

[oildrops]

Interesting post. I commend you on your control. My only questions is, have you thought about the effects of karma attached to all of those porn images?

 

I have reached the point where I can control ejaculation with muscles a few times, but it always seems to come out eventually. Each time I do the big draw though at the beginning of an orgasm the more I can feel the energy go a little higher. Also the stronger the pc muscle gets the more I am able to pull energy up into my head. I then imagine it circulating in my head and going down the front channel.

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[oildrops]

Also, throughout the day I feel the need to push energy out of my head and throat and out to my extremities, resulting in a pleasurable body sensation. Any thoughts on this?

[kundakiss]

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[Everything]

Interesting post. I commend you on your control. My only questions is, have you thought about the effects of karma attached to all of those porn images?

 

I have reached the point where I can control ejaculation with muscles a few times, but it always seems to come out eventually. Each time I do the big draw though at the beginning of an orgasm the more I can feel the energy go a little higher. Also the stronger the pc muscle gets the more I am able to pull energy up into my head. I then imagine it circulating in my head and going down the front channel.

Karma is all about balance. You have to validate that which you do not prefer. All exists here and now. If you disallow, you reap what you sow. Play with it and dive into all that is. Playfullness is a great key.

 

Controlling ejaculation is more about releasing resistance and letting go of playing the old ways of playing. Allow the energies to flow and relax your muscles. Play with the energy. Improvise. You know what you are doing. Trust yourself. Play with it. Go for the play with all that is right here and right now. All places and ways. Playing with itself. Right here and right now. You are all that is, you are the player playing with yourself. Playing with all that is, which is you. Playing. Oh joy oh joy. Thats all there is to playing with all that is; right here and right now. Plays for you and plays for me. Plays for everyone. Thats the way you play it.

 

Enjoy your playing self!

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[kundakiss]

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Edited December 28, 2014 by kundakiss

[Everything]

Thank you for the very playful message =)

You're most welcome!

 

Also, not to forget. You will also have to merge with the feminine in order to cease any form of porn meditation and reach higher states of playfulness with all that is. For the female is also another part of all that you are. Welcome it, merge with it, be it, play with its being, absorb it, play with yourself pretending to be it. Allow it in all places of your memory to arise and play as it. You are it. It is part of all that you are. Pretend it for the sake of the female playfullness. You are the male, but are also the female. You are all that is pretending to be part of all that is playing with yourself. To reach higher states of playfullness. As you play, you absorb and become that with you are playing with. You become like it. Absorb the feminine. Become it. Also "pretend" is the alternative for full capacity of playfullnes of your true "being" as all places and times of these places, but only if you are not yet ready to play to your full capacity of your full playfullness. Play is the key

 

Have fun and enjoy, for there are great times awaiting us and there is yet greater playfullness that awaits us in all its glory and horror. And all its playfullness. Oh joy oh joy. How scared do you become in the face of your greatest excitement? Face yourself in all darkness of your being and all dark places for you are all places. Including the dark and light. Place yourself in uttermost vulnerability and surrender! Place yourself within all that you are as the highest playfullness that you can place within your player and still handle the playfulness without collapse of the player! This Is where we all are right here and right now. To reach higher places of playfulness

[Cheshire Cat]

The "Porn-meditation" had equivalents in certain forms of tantric yoga because it increases general vitality.

 

But you are considered free from lust and attachment to such things only if your practice does not lead to erotic dreams (even without ej). If you watch porn, practice retention... and start to dream sexy women, then the mind is not clean.

[kundakiss]

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[Tung]

Thank you oodjee for your post it's close to my observations to about my own training.

[joeblast]

I'ma have to conceptually disagree with the premise presented here and state that the op doesnt know the extent of damage he's causing himself, nor will he see it until the harm and depletion has reached a significantly deep level to where he'll finally go "damn...ok, I was wrong, I thought I was making progress but I was really only depleting myself this whole entire time and calling it progress" - and the "non-attachment" to it is simply likened to the current state of the financial world these days where any little indication of good news is heralded as good progress and is thus plenty reason to continue the orgy-fest of burning one's reserves for the illusion of present gain.

 

Sorry homes, if you think you're making progress watching an hour or two of porn every day, you are either severely misguided or severely deluded. It is not the sort of thing you will notice until you have harmed yourself.

 

Just my .02, I dont want to rain on any "progress" here, but...the path you're walking has a thousand meter downhill slope towards the edge. /\

[kundakiss]

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Edited December 28, 2014 by kundakiss

[amoyaan]

Interesting! Fascinated about you said about reducing all the experiences to 0...or being in a complete state of equanimity. I often call it zero point - the zero we arose from and the zero we return to. Baseline of existence.

 

I don't know if I could do such a practise though. It'd be an interesting one-off experiment for me, but I wouldn't really want all the porn images impressed into my consciousness/subconscious. Would create a very strong sex/porn vasana(mental habit). It also seems a fairly intense practise, working with powerful energies. I'd be a little cautious experimenting like this on my own.

 

I'm also amazed you don't get bored of porn? I would have thought such extended periods of porn-viewing would render it all a bit tedious?

 

Don't mean to be critical though, I am genuinely fascinated by this stuff and appreciate you sharing

[kundakiss]

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[joeblast]

No worries homes! I'm actually glad, you're my first reply that finds my practice controversial, as I said it was =P. Good, I like to challenge subjective mindsets. Depletion? Burning one's reserves? Have you actually read the entire post Joe? As stated by another member, my methods are similar to tantric yoga practices in Taoism. The results are physically empowering, yielding mental serenity, and conscious clarity, not to mention constant closer experience to samadhi. Feel it to believe it I guess. Or perhaps believe it to feel it =)

 

Though, I fail to understand how you extracted "burning and depleting one's essence" out of my post. Perhaps you could clarify how you interpreted that so that I could understand you better? Also, I advise you to play devil's advocate and find the exact opposite implications in what I wrote . It might challenge your own mental projections, by forcing you to step out of them.

 

In any case, as in all practices, discernment is required. One must learn to separate milk from water, true intuition from ego opinion.

 

So either my post resonates with you, or it doesn't. As for me, it's all just an experience. If harm awaits me for whatever reason, as you said yourself, "that's when I'll go "damn"". Which means I will have grown wiser. Then it's just another experiential blessing in disguise to serve to my soul. For the universe can only benefit itself. "Harm" is only interpreted by ego's ignorance and point of view. In the meantime, I'll remain true to myself, and extract meaning from personal experience, not points of view of others. It is the only way to wisdom. Anything else is brain-talk.

 

Thank you for your comment!

 

PS. Someone else could only rain on anything with their opinions, if the opinions of others are deemed to be more valuable than one's own experiences.

heh, you like to challenge subjective mindsets? no need for pretense, whether or not you're insinuating your own to be objective is open to interpretation. you're contradicting yourself, presenting yourself as deriving great benefit from what you practice, but then turn around and leave room for the possibility that you are harming yourself, in which case, well, harm is a point of view, and should it come slap you however hard in the face you'll go ok I deserved that.

 

if you have a mythical bathtub of water you cannot really accurately determine the level of, and you take a boil a tablespoon a day, returning it to the tub when done - in reality, a teaspoon if you're careful not to boil it too much - at what point are you going to realize you're low on water?

 

ignoring the root because the leaves look nice. you are of course responsible for yourself, so I really dont expect to change your mind, but hopefully inject a reasonable caution for others who might think what you're doing might be a good idea.

 

good luck /\ I dont mean to sound demeaning, but I remember playing with matches when I was a toddler and burning the shit out of my hands - luckily, that was a quick and relatively easy lesson to learn. more or less dangerous than 'starting the car' with the keys in the electric socket

[konchog uma]

im with you joeblast %100

 

practice like that deepens a need for external stimulus (porn imagery) in spite of attempts to proclaim ones lack of attachment to it. One can accomplish even higher levels of energetic cultivation without watching porn, higher because they depend on nothing but breath and the pervasive universal source of life energy, two things you are guaranteed access to for the duration of your life.

[kundakiss]

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[kundakiss]

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[Diamond Spectrum]

I don't think you can approach Samadhi and be looking at porn for two hours a day. Its a logistical impossibility. Disassociation of emotional meaning is not enlightenment, there's another name, attachment disorder. Sociopathy. You seem to feel strongly in justifying your daily actions as meditation, just as the primetme tv public justifies meditating on murder, if you were close to liberation a compassion would shine, but what I see is a formula for satisfying your desires to complacency. I'd be more impressed if you told me you ate breakfast at a strip club every day at 7am, and then sat quietly under George Washingtons apple tree waiting to give ol' Martha a squeeze. The most sensual experiences life occur with us as the primarly experienced. Sensualness is cultivated when experienced in the first person, exchange of the polarities occurs with all the people around us; isolating the attention cone into a 60hz field and drawing is not optimal in the freque cy spectrum seance either. Your missing the key elements on how to transition your whole life into one big french porno.

 

 

 

Editing in pro

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[kevincann]

Flattery is the currency of fools. First I would encourage you to place yourself is the presence of some Tao female counterparts. They're intuition will aid you in directing your attention into transmutative circulations involving real people, and you never know, maybe a three way, pushing hands of coarse.

 

LOL.

 

The unconditioned mind is not afraid to be alive! Does not have to be 'spiritual'.

 

Love it when false piety is checked at the door, and the saints and sinners

play liars dice while cultivating chi!

 

Love,

 

Kev

[Diamond Spectrum]

The unconditioned mind is not afraid to be alive! Does not have to be 'spiritual'.

Love it when false piety is checked at the door, and the saints and sinners

play liars dice while cultivating chi!

 

Imagine this as a day, wake up (in the remo williams house gym of your choice) eat, train a private, teach a group class, eat brunch, teach or train or both. Change. Eat lunch. Teach a kids class. Shower. Go work a night shift in either a strip club or a night club and practice for another 8 hours straight "real time", eat, sleep, repeat 4-6 days a week for 5 years, "lifestyles" which direct the attention into the task at "hand" jump start circulations with good training, pleasent exhaustions; still riding circulating every waking moment into empty moments of crazy times with sometimes unimaginable people in completely outlandish circumstances. Fact is stranger than fiction! I would rather be ready for her when that bitch shows up, and believe me she shows up.

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[ChiDragon]

No offence, but that is such a personal projected opinion. Arguments have been made in this thread by me and some other members to prove your opinion false. Read carefully. A more objective way to say is: Practice like that CAN deepen a need for external stimulus. And leave that entire 2nd part out... "in spite of attempts to proclaim..." what? Unimaginable experiences outside of your current reality exist as well, and it's important to acknowledge that. Therefore acknowledge that you may not know, and keep strict opinions under control. "He who knows does not speak. He who speaks does not know." Right?

 

Finally, you really gotta know what you're doing in cultivation in order to delve into sexual practices. Otherwise, it could really mess you up. So, I agree. It's best to stay clear if you have any doubt, or lack of discernment or guru. But any harm or negative results exist in the realm of possibilities, not fact.

 

 

I've given you a great warm welcome to the forum, haven't I....???

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[Diamond Spectrum]

It's halfway there looking at Midas storing the pot at the end of the rainbow, who coins in the pot mr greenman, retention asside, natural energetic empathic imprints leave psychic impressions which the other half of our race are keenly attuned to. I've stood next to unbelievably 'charming' girls who can very empathicly 'tell' when my 'attention' is elsewhere. Although I use inflammatory language towards sexualizing women in pornography I make distinguishing remarks towards the. Titivation of attention. Long live Ron Jeremy the Bum

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[konchog uma]

Luckily such techniques also fall into my daily practice, as listed at the bottom of the post. I consider Kriya breathing to be the most powerful method, and would advise Kriya Yoga over anything else, including the practice of this thread.

 

"Practice like that deepens a need for external stimulus (porn imagery) in spite of attempts to proclaim ones lack of attachment to it."

 

No offence, but that is such a personal projected opinion. Arguments have been made in this thread by me and some other members to prove your opinion false. Read carefully. A more objective way to say is: Practice like that CAN deepen a need for external stimulus. And leave that entire 2nd part out... "in spite of attempts to proclaim..." what? Unimaginable experiences outside of your current reality exist as well, and it's important to acknowledge that. Therefore acknowledge that you may not know, and keep strict opinions under control. "He who knows does not speak. He who speaks does not know." Right?

 

Finally, you really gotta know what you're doing in cultivation in order to delve into sexual practices. Otherwise, it could really mess you up. So, I agree. It's best to stay clear if you have any doubt, or lack of discernment or guru. But any harm or negative results exist in the realm of possibilities, not fact.

 

Thanks for your thoughts!

 

you sound like your cup is already full, like your mind is already made up. you don't sound like someone who is actually interested in other peoples ideas.

 

good luck with your practices.