Zen And Masturbation...The Struggle!

[ganjaboy]

Nice post. I think the only thing I would recommend is not allowing others, including religious authorities, to define who you are and what you should be. Don't fall into the trap of believing that the spiritual practice you follow should somehow define who you are. Define who you are yourself and let the spiritual practice come afterwards.

 

Aaron

Thanks. I forgot to mention, I don't align very strongly with any one organized faith or denomination, I find that I never am able to agree with the system of guilt that has been institutionalized. I feel like that if people took half the time they spent feeling bad about something they did in the past, and instead spent it changing themselves, the world would be a better place.

 

Agreed with the points about definition of one's self by spirituality - I think that is a major mistake. The "self" that is apparent to others is just an earthly object anyway, so how could it ever be reflected through faith or spiritual practices? I've known so many people who professed their spirituality openly to make themselves seem good or holy, but the irony is that this is just creating more attachment to the earthly "you" - that which other people perceive.

 

If this philosophy was adhered to, there would really be no need to make others feel unworthy or sinful over their own sexual practices, either, because everyone would just be living on his/her own path and doing what worked best for them. Granted, there are moral expectations from society, but apart from that - where does the pressure come in?

Limited communications:

Helen of (cosmopolitan) Troy

launches one thousand ships.

 

Progress:

Mass media masturbator of men's minds

motivates one million men

to manipulate their penises

upon a monthly maidens centerfold

harnessing enough energy, enough energy, enough energy,

to send a man to the moon.

Some things just don't change, huh?

 

That makes me glad that I never got hooked on porn while in my mid-teens like some young men do. The immediate benefit is to not be reliant on external imagery to be aroused, and so instead I find myself interested in real women in daily life, in non-sexual scenarios. It really is mind over matter, though, because daydreaming can be equally dysfunctional if it gets out of hand.

[RiverSnake]

Geez.......people really like to complicate things. The easiest and most permanent way of getting rid of an "issue" is to simply ignore it....but at the same time "Ride the Wind Horse". By riding the wind horse i mean raising one's Vibrations.

 

You raise the vibration of the body by practicing Chi-Gung....when you raise your awareness...old problems blow over like dust in the wind...and you wonder...."Why was i so frustrated and upset with this before?".

 

-My 2 cents, Peace

Edited August 5, 2012 by OldGreen

[resonant111]

Have you guys seen http://www.sacred-sex.org

 

dude, stay away from that site and their "belief system" at all costs. i use opendns.com to literally block it from my computer as that group is nothing more than a fear and guilt based cult which will literally make your life a living hell if you take anything they say even relatively seriously whatsoever.

 

if you're even remotely "guilty" about masturbation now, i'm telling you, that site will make it 100x worse!

 

source: my own experience

[Guest24]

I have been reading that a man can gain chi/energy without having sex or masturbating for weeks or months. It seems to be a nice energy that you guys tap into. is the same for a woman? does anyone know here? thank you.

[ChiDragon]

Men and women loose energy when they have sex. They will not gain any energy from sex but only regain the energy that was consumed doing sex. It would be just like someone recuperates after a strenuous exercise like running.

[Harmonious Emptiness]

I practice retention and find that when I do let my energy drop to lower centers it is more difficult to handle than it was before and I have to work to get it back to the LDT or Middle Dantien. Thus, allowing it to drop does not release the urge, rather it puts you in a place that makes it more difficult to balance. So you will have urges whether you release or not. Might as well train to overcome the urge as you will still have to do it after release, and it will likely be even more difficult, especially when you have been storing and balancing greater amounts of energy. Eventually you will have to learn to get over that rough few days, and when you do it becomes much easier. You should check out the other threads on the topic for more practices and safety measures.

[Birch]

I just wandered across this month's copy of 'Marie-Claire' in which Naomi Wolf refers to the 'brain-vagina connection'...

Cited

 

"...the vagina is part of the brain, part of our continuum of consciousness. The neurotransmitters involved in confidence, creativity, trust and transcendence are all mediated by the vagina, which explains why for 5,000 years, it's been the target of patriarchal wrath. If you want to subdue women, (ruling) the vagina's a good way to do it,"

 

While I can't speak to the 'truth' of what Wolf is saying re the neurotransmitters, I have my own suspicion that sexual restrictions and control of both men and womens' sexuality plays a large part in social repression.

[Harmonious Emptiness]

Also will say -- having sex without ejaculatory emissions can teach the gong fu of "taming the white tiger."

 

Author Daniel Reid had a great tip.. hopefully I can share... that to get accustomed to celibate sex, if you will, have sex again later the same day, with emission, if necessary.

[Guest24]

well, i will look into this. i will let everyone know what i find. i am guessing it is just a hard for us too.

[Jetsun]

 

While I can't speak to the 'truth' of what Wolf is saying re the neurotransmitters, I have my own suspicion that sexual restrictions and control of both men and womens' sexuality plays a large part in social repression.

 

Your sexual energy is the raw power in your body, just see the difference if you shout or punch from the lower centre; one of the main ways that social repression has occurred is that they have turned this source of power against us making people feel ashamed of it so they cut people off from their main source of power, so you civilise a population and make then obedient but at a cost to the balance and health of the individual. All of the guilt and neurosis you see on this site around semen retention is a symptom of this, its a hangover of hundreds of years of negative conditioning, so I suggest people deal with all those feelings and conditionings first before they get worried about sublimation and retention.

[Mokona]

Wait, wait, wait. Wasn't another post here saying that a women will gain energy through sex? Comon guys...

[RiverSnake]

Indeed it is my understanding that women gain energy through sex...after all they are on the recieving side of the equation. Although men recieve from the women their with....in "plain sex" my understanding is that men generally give more than they recieve thus making and loss for them.

 

-My 2 cents, Peace

[RiverSnake]

All of the guilt and neurosis you see on this site around semen retention is a symptom of this, its a hangover of hundreds of years of negative conditioning, so I suggest people deal with all those feelings and conditionings first before they get worried about sublimation and retention.

 

Is there a better way to get over one's negative conditioning than self-cultivation and spiritual practices? It is the only thing that has ever worked for me. If anything people whom try to conserve bring there problems and negative states to the surface faster than a freight train.

 

Though i understand your point....there is a lot of self-hatred that tends to try and get masked as spiritual pursuits...however, there can be no masking when toying around with sexual energy and meditation...it tends to bring all your shit to the surface real quick...atleast IME.

 

-My 2 cents, Peace

Edited August 17, 2012 by OldGreen

[Jetsun]

 

 

Is there a better way to get over one's negative conditioning than self-cultivation and spiritual practices? It is the only thing that has ever worked for me. If anything people whom try to conserve bring there problems and negative states to the surface faster than a freight train.

 

Though i understand your point....there is a lot of self-hatred that tends to try and get masked as spiritual pursuits...however, there can be no masking when toying around with sexual energy and meditation...it tends to bring all your shit to the surface real quick...atleast IME.

 

-My 2 cents, Peace

 

I think the problem is if people bring a sexually neurotic attitude to retention practice they aren't actually doing anything spiritual rather they may just be reinforcing their own problems and strengthening any repressive conditioning they may be under.

[RiverSnake]

Indeed, it can be experienced and seen both ways. Its actually kind funny....i can't imagine a more emotionally and psychologically explosive situation than someone whom is sexually neurotic trying to conserve jing. The more you conserve the more sexed up to get.

 

What you repress only gets stronger.

 

-My 2 cents, Peace.

Edited August 17, 2012 by OldGreen

[Birch]

" If anything people whom try to conserve bring there problems and negative states to the surface faster than a freight train."

 

Right, which is IMO/IME why it's used as a 'technique' in the 1st place. The issue being that if you don't also have a repertoire of 'other techniques' to deal with what 'comes up' then you're effectively unlikely to be doing yourself (or anyone else for that matter) much good.

 

On the female energy thing http://www.jungleking.biz/WTArticle.pdf

[Tom Lin]

Is there a better way to get over one's negative conditioning than self-cultivation and spiritual practices? It is the only thing that has ever worked for me. If anything people whom try to conserve bring there problems and negative states to the surface faster than a freight train.

 

Though i understand your point....there is a lot of self-hatred that tends to try and get masked as spiritual pursuits...however, there can be no masking when toying around with sexual energy and meditation...it tends to bring all your shit to the surface real quick...atleast IME.

 

-My 2 cents, Peace

I think the problem is if people bring a sexually neurotic attitude to retention practice they aren't actually doing anything spiritual rather they may just be reinforcing their own problems and strengthening any repressive conditioning they may be under.

 

 

From my experience as well these are both two true statements.

 

Conserving your sexual energy will give you more focus and insight and in turn you will be able to look inwards more deeper. When you do so many of your core issues will arise quicker into your psyche and so the intent of not emitting your fluids should be because you want too better yourself spiritually, emotionally, physically.

 

And conversely when you do better yourself you'll be able to use your sexual energy to create a stronger and more balanced body, mind, and lifestyle.

[Guest24]

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Edited March 26, 2013 by Guest24

[寒月 Hanyue]

I have been reading that a man can gain chi/energy without having sex or masturbating for weeks or months. It seems to be a nice energy that you guys tap into. is the same for a woman? does anyone know here? thank you.

 

Actually it is not always a "nice" energy. The build up and charge of sexual energy can be uncomfortable, which can lead to moods and much more, even violence. Until the pressure is dropped.

 

Everyone can build qi, with or without sex.

 

thank you, k! i have been reading about this. there seems to be mixed feelings on the subject. i just wouldn't know how to go about doing this yet. i have read about root chakra meditations and retention. what i have tried so far is breathing a certain way it lotus while moving the hips in a circular motion. this is without having a "release" of course. i cannot do much of this, lol. maybe i was going to fast. i will slow it down and try again. i don't think this is the best way. i am determined to find a answer. tons of energy, motivation, and mental clarity sounds nice

 

The free and easy flow of qi, and unrestricted breathing with deep relaxation is the best foundation. All the 'esoteric' stuff is making mountains out of molehills and making things far more complex than they have to be.

 

As a general rule, guys naturally overly concentrate the build up of yang qi and sexual charge in the genitals, while girls naturally overly dissipate it. This leads to guys who feel a lot genitally and are numb elsewhere, who also tend to cum easily. And girls who find it hard to get enough charge build up to orgasm. Both tend to lead to overly aggressive and physical sex as people search for feeling and sensation. This is of course a simplification, but there is truth to this.

 

Yin-yang balance, is to covet the opposite of what you have and find a partner that enables the exploration of that. So guys need to build then gather the yang qi in their girl, the girl needs to dissipate and open the qi in their guy. Then you can talk about circulation, which if there is a charge and connection will simply happen without all this need for visualising this or mentally doing that which often gets discussed. The people I trust teach an importance of a focus on the heart and genitals over anything else.

 

Best,

Edited August 20, 2012 by snowmonki

[hydrogen]

I'm very confused here.

 

The tao method is to convert sexual energy to others. How could you have excessive sexual energy?

 

In my opinion, one of the major method of Qi Gong is to masturbate yourself properly, i.e. masturbate your whole body.

 

What's the point of masturbation? To bring pleasure to your body. Most people don't know how to masturbate. They just jerk off.

 

The method I describe here is low lever. If you have your MCO circlulate, you don't need to worry extra sexual energy.

 

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Forget about energy, meridian channel, LDT and chakras for this method. The idea is to self love your whole body.i.e. a whole body masturbation, to transfer the pleasure feeling from you penis to the rest of your body.

 

The first candidate is your balls. I don't think I need to go to details about how to tease your own balls. Then move on to your perinium and surrounding areas including inner thighs. The hard part is anus. Physically it's easy to stimulate anus to preduce pleasure. However, most guys have mental blocks to prevent it happen. For the adventure type, you can insert a finger inside (well lubed). You don't have to go deep. It's more like a tease than penetration.

 

Nipples areas are good. I didn't have any sesation at all until I actully learned how to train myself. It's a learned skill.

 

Ears are easy to stimulate as well, so the neck area behind ears and below the chin.

 

You can leave the feet alone or put your penis between the soles of your feet. And use your hands to tease your body.

 

Use the pleasure feeling on your penis as benchmark, try to match the feeling in the rest of your body.

 

 

Don't feel guity about masturbation. You should do it every day.

[Immortal4life]

Edit: Nevermind, a lot of people here are too chode to hear what I have to say

Edited January 21, 2013 by Immortal4life