solo cultivation: self pleasure without climax

[resonant111]

does anyone here practice solo cultivation, ie: masturbation without ejaculation/climax? it's basically tantric sex/karezza without a partner, from what i have gathered.

 

i'm interested in this because i need to find a middleground, i went through a "totally celibate, cultivate energy without having sexual thoughts" phase, but it was way too impractical and almost unnatural. I've gone back to normal masturbation (with climax) and that too, has been pretty unfulfilling.

 

I can't stand the neurochemical hangover after orgasm so i was thinking masturbation without climax might be a good path to take up. You get the best of both worlds...sexual pleasure PLUS the vitalizing effects of retention.

 

it sound good in theory, but has anyone tried it? i've heard you have to stay in th 50-80% arousal rate for this to work, so i'm going to try that to start and see how it goes...

[ronko]

i began looking into this a few years back and found alot of different practices which to be honest didnt do anything for me ,

 

i then bought the aneros device and again was pretty un-impressed.

Well after quite a while using this device off and on i began to finally awaken the prostate and re-wire the orgasm response.

This to me is the biggest part of the whole non ejaculatory orgasm process.

AWAKEN THE PROSTATE.

 

Once you have achieved this you can begin to do some pretty out there stuff !

For example , yesterday , i lay on my bed and begin to energetically stroke my prostate,

picturing a finger or a tongue gently rubbing it like it was a male clit , using energy and intent.

well that was it , about 10 full body orgasms later and no ejaculatory come down ,

i was quite content ! hehe

 

Oh , another thing you have to be aware of is total surrender ,

you are not striving for a friction based climax ,

you are letting the subtle energys of the body build up in waves

so surrendering to the bodys natural in built bliss is a big part of it.

 

Basically , once you are re-wired you can have as many O's as you want to the point where you cant take any more.

You have awoken the inner feminine and experience orgasm in much the same way ,

orgasm that comes in waves that build up and spread through out the body.

Hope this hepls as i know how frustrating all the info out there can be.

Edited August 11, 2012 by ronko

[GreytoWhite]

I never bought a device but found that digital stimulation of the prostate was more than enough to "awaken" that particular gland. The finger stroking visualization can also assist with the requirement of "lifting the grain path" so that it is closed like the wink of an eye.

[resonant111]

Well after quite a while using this device off and on i began to finally awaken the prostate and re-wire the orgasm response.

This to me is the biggest part of the whole non ejaculatory orgasm process.

AWAKEN THE PROSTATE.

 

Once you have achieved this you can begin to do some pretty out there stuff !

For example , yesterday , i lay on my bed and begin to energetically stroke my prostate,

picturing a finger or a tongue gently rubbing it like it was a male clit , using energy and intent.

well that was it , about 10 full body orgasms later and no ejaculatory come down ,

i was quite content ! hehe

 

Oh , another thing you have to be aware of is total surrender ,

you are not striving for a friction based climax ,

you are letting the subtle energys of the body build up in waves

so surrendering to the bodys natural in built bliss is a big part of it.

 

Basically , once you are re-wired you can have as many O's as you want to the point where you cant take any more.

You have awoken the inner feminine and experience orgasm in much the same way ,

orgasm that comes in waves that build up and spread through out the body.

 

this is really interesting, as i have been researching the connection between the prostate and "dry orgasms" the past few days.

 

it's an area of male sexuality i've never even considered (until this point) because it's so taboo for "straight" guys or whatever. "prostate stimulation" is basically anal massage/stimulation from what i've gathered...that's pretty taboo territory for most hetero males.

 

nonetheless it's really interesting. i'm tired of my main sexual practice being a quick spurt of pleasure, followed by irritability and boredom

[Disabled Not Broken]

does anyone here practice solo cultivation, ie: masturbation without ejaculation/climax? it's basically tantric sex/karezza without a partner, from what i have gathered.

 

i'm interested in this because i need to find a middleground, i went through a "totally celibate, cultivate energy without having sexual thoughts" phase, but it was way too impractical and almost unnatural. I've gone back to normal masturbation (with climax) and that too, has been pretty unfulfilling.

 

I can't stand the neurochemical hangover after orgasm so i was thinking masturbation without climax might be a good path to take up. You get the best of both worlds...sexual pleasure PLUS the vitalizing effects of retention.

 

it sound good in theory, but has anyone tried it? i've heard you have to stay in th 50-80% arousal rate for this to work, so i'm going to try that to start and see how it goes...

 

You have to be aware, that you 'might' be ensnared in Egregore(s)

Explained Here:

http://dao-jones.blogspot.com/2012/08/egregores.html

Edited August 11, 2012 by Disabled Not Broken

[ronko]

yes the prostate , sadly is linked to the whole hetro / homo nonsense ,

but , it is there none the less , nature blessed us with alot more feminine type energys

than the normal male veiwpoint realises.

The prostate is our p spot , females have a g spot ,

but they are very similar when one looks into the energetic , the orgasmic , the wholeness of sexuality ,

rather than the pre concept of the male and female that is dominant ,

the sexes are alot more alike than we realise .

 

I am not gay but i do realise that the prostate is a gateway ,

when my female partner began to give me prostate massages ,

the first thing she said afterwards is she felt honoured , as she felt it was more a spiritual opening

than some kind of taboo kinky request.

When you delve into the inner workings of the male regarding the prostate

you realise there is a whole other level of experience ,

it opens , it releases , it flows , and it takes you into a calm sea of bliss.

BUT ,

dont get lost in it ,

it is what it is , a pure , beautifull experience , that , sadly most men wont experience because of silly stereo typical dogma,

but it is still an experience that is better to enter into every now and again rather than letting the bliss take control of you.

[resonant111]

You have to be aware, that you 'might' be ensnared in Egregore(s)

Explained Here:

http://dao-jones.blo.../egregores.html

 

Interesting, you seem to frame this as negative entity of sorts. i'm curious, what in my post made you think that something like this could be influencing me? you say i might be "ensared" by it, as if i'm not aware of its presence...

 

for all i know you're right. i'm at a very chaotic period in my life with all sorts of struggles...occupational, interpersonal relationships, sexual, you name it. Everything in my life is chaos right now...my mind. emotions and life perspectives are all over the place and i can't seem to find any stability.

 

it's just weird you were able to pick up on that vibe from a forum post...

[joeblast]

A teacher I learned from said "be natural...for now - at certain later stages retention will be necessary. That doesnt mean go crazy, though. Just be natural." I wonder how many people these days even know what 'natural' is. The root of the friction is mind - take care of it at the root, the buddhists dont say no lustful thoughts for no reason - if you are to ever be successful at retention, self pleasure and lustful thought will forever block your progress, no matter how hard you try not to play with yourself. Cut off a branch, tree still grows. Cut the entire trunk so that the root has no access and it will cease to grow.

[Disabled Not Broken]

Interesting, you seem to frame this as negative entity of sorts. i'm curious, what in my post made you think that something like this could be influencing me? you say i might be "ensared" by it, as if i'm not aware of its presence...

 

It wasn't something, you said, in your post.

 

It is something I 'felt and saw'...

 

 

for all i know you're right. i'm at a very chaotic period in my life with all sorts of struggles...occupational, interpersonal relationships, sexual, you name it. Everything in my life is chaos right now...my mind. emotions and life perspectives are all over the place and i can't seem to find any stability.

 

Qi practice is powerful.

However, sometimes, when we 'experiment' with various techniques, we are left 'vulnerable' until the residual effects from prior practice, 'levels off' [bleed-throughs can sometimes occur]

 

These 'exploits' can compromise the security of our aura.

 

Coupled with: personal/emotional/financial energy 'displacement' -- your 'bio-field' is like 'Braille to a blind person'. [Can't be seen, but can be read]

 

it's just weird you were able to pick up on that vibe from a forum post...

 

Not to 'stroke my ego'... but those 'exploits' - can be 'felt & seen' -- even on a Forum -- by a 'retired guru'.

 

Forums can carry Egregores.

http://dao-jones.blo.../egregores.html

 

A forum, such as this one - is a place where some individuals can receive a "Transmission/Shaktipat"... there are no finite boundaries once an individual has 'transcended time & space'

 

Likewise - black magick & vampyrism can also run amok on occult forums.

 

That is why I posted the article I wrote:

Tip For "Haunted" Kunlun

 

http://thetaobums.co...haunted-kunlun/

 

How many readers, start to yawn, after spending sometime reading this forum?

Like your energy got drained?

There are active psychic-vampyres on this forum

[some are deliberate]

 

This is another one of those times when Time & Space was Breached...

 

http://thetaobums.co..._32#entry352085

[johndoe2012]

There are active psychic-vampyres on this forum

[some are deliberate]

 

You are not the first to point this out.

 

Drew claimed this in a number of posts.

 

Funny how [your] energy seems to come down my crown right now...

[thelerner]

yes the prostate , sadly is linked to the whole hetro / homo nonsense ,

but , it is there none the less , nature blessed us with alot more feminine type energys

than the normal male veiwpoint realises.

The prostate is our p spot , females have a g spot ,

but they are very similar when one looks into the energetic , the orgasmic , the wholeness of sexuality ,

rather than the pre concept of the male and female that is dominant ,

the sexes are alot more alike than we realise .

 

I am not gay but i do realise that the prostate is a gateway ,

when my female partner began to give me prostate massages ,

the first thing she said afterwards is she felt honoured , as she felt it was more a spiritual opening

than some kind of taboo kinky request.

When you delve into the inner workings of the male regarding the prostate

you realise there is a whole other level of experience ,

it opens , it releases , it flows , and it takes you into a calm sea of bliss.

BUT ,

dont get lost in it ,

it is what it is , a pure , beautifull experience , that , sadly most men wont experience because of silly stereo typical dogma,

but it is still an experience that is better to enter into every now and again rather than letting the bliss take control of you.

Lots of food for thought in this. I admit I'm put off from experimenting because of ..I don't know..prissiness..old silly dogma.

 

Might be time to teach an old dogma new tricks.

[Disabled Not Broken]

You are not the first to point this out.

 

Drew claimed this in a number of posts.

 

Funny how [your] energy seems to come down my crown right now...

 

This is a Buffet for hungry ghosts, and for their handlers...

 

When I first started posting on this forum - I immediately offered to help anyone who asked me

 

I got an email from a female [won't mention names] - and I gave her psychic self defense advice [what she asked for]

 

After this post- she promptly deleted herself off my friend's list - which she originally initiated

 

[some people get spooked....]

 

My offer, still stands

[resonant111]

if one does have a negative entity, hungry ghost, whatever you might call it...how does one get rid of it?

 

i have a particular sexual issue (porn addiction) that comes up time and time again in my life (against my will) and i'm thinking it might be due to some negative influence, perhaps subconscious...

 

or maybe i'm just weak willed

Edited August 12, 2012 by resonant111

[johndoe2012]

You could try

 

http://thetaobums.com/topic/24510-spiritual-and-emotional-healing/

 

else just ask it to leave to a specific destination. The destination is decided by your higher self: ask your self. One destination could be the Light.

[Disabled Not Broken]

if one does have a negative entity, hungry ghost, whatever you might call it...how does one get rid of it?

 

i have a particular sexual issue (porn addiction) that comes up time and time again in my life (against my will) and i'm thinking it might be due to some negative influence, perhaps subconscious...

 

or maybe i'm just weak willed

 

You are Not 'weak willed'

 

If you were-- you would not be addressing a 'realised' Addiction.

 

Rather, you would be in Denial

 

I posted this article I wrote, here:

For some of you, struggling with porn... keep this thread Book-Marked, and reference it when you are about to be over-cummed

 

If I can do it [and am no one special], YOU can do it too!

 

Patience is a virtue

 

http://thetaobums.co...on/#entry351677

 

 

I 'felt' that this is a relatively BIG issue, on this particular forum- that's why I wrote "keep this thread Book-Marked, and reference it when you are about to be over-cummed "

 

You treat this addiction, as any other. There are Acupuncture points that can utilised.

 

Also, face your addiction - as you would any enemy in combat.

 

Put a face on it - Personify it. See it manifest before your eyes as... [fill in the blank... who does it 'resemble'? Someone from your childhood?]

 

 

Then - make it shapeshift into something less intimidating.

Like the kid in school with the thick glasses and ten pens/pencils in his front pocket.

 

Take your energy back from it.

 

Psychically cut the cords you have attached to it.

Root Chakra, Lower Dan Tien - maybe, even Middle Dan Tien [solar plexus]- depending on if this is a deeper, emotional issue, or there is medication involved

 

It feeds from there. Cauterizse the severed cords. Banish it with a white light X- using the energy your just reclaimed from it.

 

Whenever you feel 'tempted'-- do this, [and lock your root chakra]-- & eventually, it will just 'click into place'

 

Your *Will* is stronger than 'helplessness'...

[resonant111]

thanks for the tips, i appreciate it

[thetaoiseasy]

Thanks for reading,

 

Best,

 

Taoiseasy

Edited July 19, 2013 by thetaoiseasy

[resonant111]

1. Don't do anything abnormal. What's abnormal? You know.

2. Don't dare to be the first one.

 

From my reading, your energy is currently repressed in the lower centers. Do not fuck yourself up by doing these ridiculous sexual practices.

 

Let me suggest an exercise as an alternative. It's not as exciting as jerking off to a bodacious babe, but its like plain rice soup. It'll help you in the long run.

 

1. Slowly lift up your arms at the side like a bird taking flight as you inhale, while gently thinking: "The divine one, please guide me." Then exhale and put your arms to the side.

2. Slowly lift up your arms like a bird as you inhale, while thinking: "The divine one, please protect me." Then exhale and put your arms to the side.

3. Slowly lift up your arms like a bird as you inhale, while thinking:" The divine one, please enlighten me. " Then exhale and put your arms to the side.

 

Inhale and exhale slowly throughout this exercise. In this exercise, emphasize the upward movement of the arms, and just ignore the downward flapping of the arms. This is a highly effective exercise that will help sublimate that repressed energy. Do this exercise 5 times.

 

thanks for the tips, i've intuitively felt that these "masturbation without ejaculation" practices are unnatural and kind of ridiculous to begin with. i know mantak chia promotes this and i know a person who literally swears by this technique and has a whole book about it.

 

every time i try it though it just feels weird. if you masturbate without releasing you just build up all this hot energy and have all these horny thoughts all day afterwards. it just doesn't feel right, not sure why i keep coming back to it thinking "oh it might work"

 

i think it's because i don't enjoy the feeling after ejaculation but at the same time i can't practice long-term semen retention without feeling weird either. theoretically this practice is a middleground between chronic ejaculatory masturbation and "celibate" style semen retention...but like both of those extremes, it just doesn't feel right.

 

finding some sort of sexual path that works for me is the hardest part of my spiritual life. nothing i do seems to "feel right." i either become unnaturally sexually repressed or wildly over-indulgent with sexual pleasure. neither path works for me! *sigh*

Edited August 12, 2012 by resonant111

[Disabled Not Broken]

thanks for the tips, i've intuitively felt that these "masturbation without ejaculation" practices are unnatural and kind of ridiculous to begin with. i know mantak chia promotes this and i know a person who literally swears by this technique and has a whole book about it.

 

every time i try it though it just feels weird. if you masturbate without releasing you just build up all this hot energy and have all these horny thoughts all day afterwards. it just doesn't feel right, not sure why i keep coming back to it thinking "oh it might work"

 

i think it's because i don't enjoy the feeling after ejaculation but at the same time i can't practice long-term semen retention without feeling weird either. theoretically this practice is a middleground between chronic ejaculatory masturbation and "celibate" style semen retention...but like both of those extremes, it just doesn't feel right.

 

finding some sort of sexual path that works for me is the hardest part of my spiritual life. nothing i do seems to "feel right." i either become unnaturally sexually repressed or wildly over-indulgent with sexual pleasure. neither path works for me! *sigh*

 

Seminal Retention - is best accomplished, with another person.

This way- while having sex- you are receiving a consummate Yin energy- to counter your built up, Yang energy.

 

Reciprocation, is key, here.

 

Porn, is one sided...

Porn also links you to 'that Egregore'

[resonant111]

Seminal Retention - is best accomplished, with another person.

This way- while having sex- you are receiving a consummate Yin energy- to counter your built up, Yang energy.

 

Reciprocation, is key, here.

 

Porn, is one sided...

Porn also links you to 'that Egregore'

 

yea it seems like tantric sex with retention would be a lot more natural than these "masturbation with retention techniques," which just make my energy feel all weird and pent up in my lower body.

[Disabled Not Broken]

yea it seems like tantric sex with retention would be a lot more natural than these "masturbation with retention techniques," which just make my energy feel all weird and pent up in my lower body.

I practice this. [Very powerfu].

 

Once you are able to accumulate much power - things start to materialize before your very [3rd] eyes.

 

Almost like a haze of mist.

 

Then you will be able to 'grok' how apparitions slip in and out of existance, and how they can ensnare you

 

Very worth the struggle!

[resonant111]

should one bother with retention practices if they don't have a partner?

 

i've retained for periods of time before (2 weeks) but i felt repressed without having a natural sexual outlet or whatever.

[Disabled Not Broken]

should one bother with retention practices if they don't have a partner?

 

i've retained for periods of time before (2 weeks) but i felt repressed without having a natural sexual outlet or whatever.

 

Remaining celibate, without a partner, is good...

 

You are not 'provoking/irritating'/initiating a response, like...

 

Masturbating until almost orgasm, but then stopping, is a bad idea-- until you can readily assimilate all that Yang energy into something... fruitful.

 

There are many techniques, some very ancient....

 

Also, be aware-- that some of these Seminal Retention ideas --'also' grew out birth control concepts.

 

Recall, China and India are very over populated areas.

 

Once the Higher Authorities hand down the stop populating decree- this became embedded into the psyche of society [Egregore!].

 

Political and Spiritual, alike

Edited August 12, 2012 by Disabled Not Broken

[swampland]

1. Don't do anything abnormal. What's abnormal? You know.

2. Don't dare to be the first one.

 

From my reading, your energy is currently repressed in the lower centers. Do not fuck yourself up by doing these ridiculous sexual practices.

 

Let me suggest an exercise as an alternative. It's not as exciting as jerking off to a bodacious babe, but its like plain rice soup. It'll help you in the long run.

 

1. Slowly lift up your arms at the side like a bird taking flight as you inhale, while gently thinking: "The divine one, please guide me." Then exhale and put your arms to the side.

2. Slowly lift up your arms like a bird as you inhale, while thinking: "The divine one, please protect me." Then exhale and put your arms to the side.

3. Slowly lift up your arms like a bird as you inhale, while thinking:" The divine one, please enlighten me. " Then exhale and put your arms to the side.

 

Inhale and exhale slowly throughout this exercise. In this exercise, emphasize the upward movement of the arms, and just ignore the downward flapping of the arms. This is a highly effective exercise that will help sublimate that repressed energy. Do this exercise 5 times.

 

I really liked the excercise.

It really helps smoothing and redirecting desire.

 

But what I found in myself first of all, that many very negative feelings towards sexuality were

coupled with those soothing "spiritual feelings", that started coming up.

That probably came from my rather intensive protestant upbringing, which wasn't overtly against

sexuality, but was still deeply reflected by the representatives of this group.

 

To the topic I wanted to say, that I'm sort of practicing solo cultivation, but I would never stop masturbating,

because I think I need to learn a lot more about these sensations and gain more control over them.

And as far as I know, this can only be fully done by physical stimulation.

I think massaging the prostate, as well as the coccyx makes it a lot easier to get yourself back to normal without

ejaculation.

And I've only tried it for today, but I think thetaoiseays's excercise makes it even simpler.

 

That's maybe not the best you can do to yourself, but I think I've done far worse to myself in the past, like doing mantak chia's

excercises excessively and forcefully wtihout even knowing what I'm doing there.

 

And I think, that doing, what I'm doing now get's me further and that's also a good thing. Maybe it's an illusion.