The emotion of apathy (whats the point, who cares, I give up, no matter how hard I try it never works, I cant be bothered" Taoism

[Marblehead]

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Actually, you had two large sticks trying to get someone's attention.

[et-thoughts]

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[et-thoughts]

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[Stosh]

People compete all the time in win win scenarios

often its called a marketplace

Stosh

[GrandmasterP]

Yep you gotta compete to stay in front of the game of life that's for sure.

QiGong is a brilliant way to take time out from all that BS.

You'll never beat market forces no point wasting energy trying.

Soon as a market is identified players appear all fighting for a piece of the action as witness the ads above these posts.

[Marblehead]

If a player gets paired with everyone to play several games and one player W, wins every game but one, the one W got parried with L (who happened to lose every game L got to play paired up ) there is something L is going or not doing to lose...

Yes, in your original story the condition could not have happened.

[Marblehead]

Do the disagreements cause polarization or the polarization cause the disagreements...

For that matter why do disagreements lead to separate ways rather than to work together in a joint agreement?

If your question could be answered and everyone responded appropriate there would be peace on Earth.

 

I think it likely works both ways with the polarization. The first cause creates the second cause.

[Marblehead]

People compete all the time in win win scenarios

often its called a marketplace

Stosh

Good point Stosh. I call that attaining an agreement as opposed to competing though.

[et-thoughts]

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[Marblehead]

Oh why do you say so? go back and look at the original story again and you may see that it could had happened... please don't tell lies...

No lies. Can't happen.

 

One player lost all games.

One player won all games.

Each player had as a partner every player.

Therefore when the loser had the winner as a partner the loser had to have won.

Also. The winner had the loser as a partner and if the loser lost all games (which really didn't happen) then the winner had to have lost one game.

Or, the winner and the loser were never partners.

[et-thoughts]

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[Marblehead]

Indeed... thus how to we get everyone to work together in a joint agreement ...

The only thing I can think of that would create such a condition would be an aggressive attack from aliens.

 

But then, Some of the people I have known during my lifetime would likely side with the aliens.

 

Oh well.

[et-thoughts]

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[Marblehead]

... maybe now you will go back ...

Can't go back.

 

Play another game.

[et-thoughts]

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[Stosh]

Mh, Yeah,

it isnt the definition of competiton where folks lose.

Negotiations , agreements ,relationships, and play

are the MAJORITY of compettions folks have.

they weigh far more greatly in our lives than the other kind

and I though it important to consider these rather than concentrate

on win lose scenarios alone.

Stosh

[Marblehead]

Why is that?

 

Because this is the apathy thread and I don't give a shit.

 

sure we can play another game which game you want to play now?

 

It's funny, I think, that when one person is playing the card game 'solitaire' and another person is watching, when the player loses the game they will blame the watcher for their losing and say something like, "If you hadn't said anything I would have won the game."

 

Being apathetic has its benefits: you don't have to take responsibility for your mistakes if you don't want to.

[Marblehead]

Mh, Yeah,

it isnt the definition of competiton where folks lose.

Negotiations , agreements ,relationships, and play

are the MAJORITY of compettions folks have.

they weigh far more greatly in our lives than the other kind

and I though it important to consider these rather than concentrate

on win lose scenarios alone.

Stosh

Exactly.

 

Someone said something like, "It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game."

 

Sure, I like to win. It boosts my ego. But then, if one already has enough self-confidence why would one want to boost their ego? It only causes us to become more egotistical.

 

I will never win the lottery because I don't buy any tickets. Nope, I will never become a millionaire. But then, I will still have the money I had.

 

So if we do not have this need to compete we can honestly work toward an agreement where everyone benefits instead of having a winner and a loser.

[Stosh]

Precisely ,( except it still has the elements of competition)

and by the way I consider it a good remedy for the apathy of the original subject

just trying to be clear about what one actually needs , and ignoring the winning thing

and being focused on the process rather than the goal.

 

" The trip to Cancun may not be all the brochure said it would be.

so enjoy the cruise"

 

Stosh

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[Marblehead]

Never been to Cancun. Been to Manzanillo twice though.

 

I was fortunate during my working years in that I never had the need to compete. Sure, I did the best I could at whatever I did (most of the time) and I was recognized for that (most of the time).

 

Now there is absolutely no reason for me to compete. Sure, I do it here mentally as well as other areas of my life but that is simply an exercise in order to keep my brain working properly. I don't want to be getting those old age diseases.

 

My needs are very few because when I was younger I managed to learn how to live with a minimum amount of resorces. That period of my life taught me much although I didn't really like the lessons at the time they were being presented.

 

Yeah, apathy is not all that negative a thing as long as one's needs are satisfied. It's the wants that make us go, go, go.

[et-thoughts]

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[Stosh]

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[Stosh]

All I am getting at ET is that its the focus on the end goals (which arent always met )

that generates the apathy (nothing works).

Responsibility is a good subject for another thread.

Mh competes, as I ,and you do ,here on this forum but its a win win thing as I see it.

Worrying about how many 'converts' we accumulate opens us up to non-success and

focus on non-success could lead to apathy. Actually we have much less responsibility if

we never convince anyone of anything, so , since we dont really have anything to gain,

responsibility is undesirable.

 

Stosh

[GrandmasterP]

Agreed.

We don't proselytise or evangelise. That's for the Xtians and New Kadampa Buddhists (The wannabe-Tibetan version of Jehovah Witnesses).

Anybody destined for this path, they'll find it.

If not...

"NOP" (Not Our Problem).