Neuro surgeoun experiences the void?

[Humble]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/heaven-real-says-neurosurgeon-claims-visited-afterlife-213527063.html

 

thoughts?

[Aetherous]

Awesome.

[GreytoWhite]

Thanks.

[doc benway]

Lot's of folks claim to have visited heaven...

This one happens to be a doctor.

I think that our ideas of what heaven is influence memories we have of states in which our consciousness was altered.

It really doesn't mean much to me.

[Aetherous]

I think that our ideas of what heaven is influence memories we have of states in which our consciousness was altered.

 

Personally, I won't form an opinion on something like the afterlife until it's based on real science, real logic, or my own experience. We simply can't know otherwise.

 

To me, your explanation is just as likely as if this doctor actually did fly up to heaven.

 

Not saying that being critical of this story is bad (I am critical of it too), or that you aren't free to believe whatever you do. Just saying...sometimes we come up with explanations that seem plausible, when really they're not. An uninformed person might call your explanation scientific, or realistic. But it's not based on any science whatsoever, and therefore it's not realistic.

 

Anyway...

[gendao]

http://news.yahoo.co...-213527063.html

 

thoughts?

Lol, actually this doesn't sound anything like the Biblical descriptions of "Heaven." That's religious propaganda that the mass media appears to have inserted..

Alexander claims he experienced a life-changing visit to the afterlife, specifically heaven.

 

Alexander says he first found himself floating above clouds before witnessing, "transparent, shimmering beings arced across the sky, leaving long, streamer like lines behind them."

 

He claims to have been escorted by an unknown female companion and says he communicated with these beings through a method of correspondence that transcended language. Alexander says the messages he received from those beings loosely translated as:

"You are loved and cherished, dearly, forever."

"You have nothing to fear."

"There is nothing you can do wrong."

 

From there, Alexander claims to have traveled to "an immense void, completely dark, infinite in size, yet also infinitely comforting." He believes this void was the home of God.

All I see that he actually said was that he now believed in consciousness after death.

I experienced something so profound that it gave me a scientific reason to believe in consciousness after death.

Neurosurgeon Dr. Eben Alexander’s Near-Death Experience Defies Medical Model of Consciousness

[Cat Pillar]

Makes one wonder about all of the cases where comatose people or people who have been dead for a short time experienced nothing at all.

[zanshin]

I've talked to a MS patient who says her mom pulled her back. She felt peace, saw her ancestors and everything was beautiful. She heard every word of her mom's prayers out in the waiting room and she wasn't very happy with her mom either because it was good and she wanted to go.

[gatito]

Why does almost everyone believe that Consciousness is finite and personal when there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever for that belief?

[Seth Ananda]

Or even since Einstein pointed out that 'Something' can not become 'Nothing' - ever!

 

Everything we can see, is still there when somebody dies. but somehow the bit of 'them' that really made them 'them' is gone.

 

Now if Einstein was right, and something can not become nothing, then what did that 'consciousness' that made them 'them' turn into? And where is it?

 

And why don't we think about this more?

 

[Marblehead]

It really doesn't mean much to me.

Actually, it doen't mean anything, IMO.

[Marblehead]

And why don't we think about this more?

 

I think that there are many people who think way too much about this. (And as a result they have forgotten to live "this" life. Oh well.

[joeblast]

Typical scientist, nothing exists outside their paradigm, but them something comes along and shows them their limited context, and a mind is changed. Same as them saying god dont exist - why, because the equations dont consider the possibility and have no context for it? Yet they'll believe that abstract mathematical curiosities equate to nothing in particular, just fancy equations No such thing, it all equates to something.

[The Observer]

I think that there are many people who think way too much about this. (And as a result they have forgotten to live "this" life. Oh well.

 

This is very important. Regardless of your paradigm you should focus on the moment at hand, this life is very valuable.

 

Now that aside I believe that if you have the experience this neurosurgeon had and you come back to the world of the living with full recall of it, it's so you can bring something valuable back for the rest of us world dwellers. A hero's journey in every sense of the word.

[gatito]

..........

 

And why don't we think about this more?

 

 

That's a very good question too.

 

It's pretty amazing that we're here witnessing all this and it's even more amazing that science make all these pronouncements about Consciousness but there's no scientific instument that can actually measure it in any way at all.

 

This neurosurgeon has had his world turned upside-down because he's discovered that he was still conscious when his brain was "switched off", therefore he now knows from first-hand experience that Consciousnes isn't a product of his brain functioning.

 

(And it doesn't really matter what appeared in his Consciousness - the point is that there was Consciousness in the absence of brain function.)

 

Surely that's worth pondering for a few minutes?