Why are there fewer women than men in search of Enlightenment and Freedom from Samsara?

[Stosh]

I have no idea what the pictures are supposed to mean

are they just supposed to be obfuscating

like a squid shooting ink?

Stosh

[JohnC]

I believe that you attract into your life those that you are like.

 

Personally I know tons of women on the spiritual path...

 

John

[Stosh]

I believe that you attract into your life those that you are like.

 

Personally I know tons of women on the spiritual path...

 

John

Well if thats true , it would imply

folks who are abused, are likely,

just as abusive

as the person they complain about .

Maybe passive aggressive methodology

but its still there

So

That innocent acting chick with the brown hair

is likely emotionally tormenting the angry dude.

Why did she marry him ? Money perhaps?

 

Stosh

[Nikolai1]

The fact that there are more men on the forums goes with what I was saying before. Spirituality is seen by many men as a thought based activity - jnana yoga its been called for millenia - and discussion forums are good places for this kind of practice. To develop and share ideas, and crucially, to be sceptical about the thoughts of others is a sure-fire path to realisation.

 

Our genders are ultimately part of our egos and there comes a point where we start to outgrow both of these categories. men might find that they are doing things surrounded by women, and vice versa. To me this is indicative of realisation, provided of course that the person is equally comfortable in the activities of their own gender.

 

I think that this kind of discussion can be a bit sensitive to many. The spiritually interested man might find that they are not conforming to the kind of ideal that women stereotypically go for - the rich powerful stud - and this makes them fell undesirable. They may also find themselves repelled by what seems like materialism in even the more spiritually minded women. All this and they still find themselves strongly attracted to the opposite sex and desperately wanting their company.

 

I don't know what people think but speaking personally the more I've practiced the more powerful and pure has been my feeling of attraction towards women. Perhaps fortunately its not reciprocated! As long as it can be contained it feels amazing, sometimes it seems like all women are goddesses!

[Thunder_Gooch]

Oh girls just wanna have fun...

 

[Thunder_Gooch]

Seriously though, there aren't that many males pursuing this goal, maybe a few thousand people on earth total even give a crap about a goal like this, the rest are just newage retards.

[RiverSnake]

My experience has been the opposite. Women are much more drawn to religion and "belief" than men....whether this is a good thing or not i don't know, however psychologically and sociologically this has been proven.

 

However, in regard to actual spiritual cultivation and really putting some serious time on the cushion on a daily basis and letting go of yourattachemnts.......there are not many people whom are willing to do this anyways....so i don't think discriminating between the sexes really even matters....you have either come out of the allusion that mundane existence will full-fill you or you haven't.

 

As a side note i am taking a class on Intro to Jainism...for those that don't know Jainism is a Shramanic religion of Ascetics in India, they are as Hardcore as it gets. In the religion there are more women ascetics than men....also all of my teachers are Jain ascetics and are also women.

 

-My 2 cents, Peace

Edited October 23, 2012 by OldGreen

[Birch]

Are there fewer women than men really? Or are we talking about it as if anything the Tulk says were true?

 

 

[三江源]

Why are there fewer women than men in search of Enlightenment and Freedom from Samsara?

 

women know that searching for your spectacles when they are sitting on your nose means you are nothing but distracted.

[Thunder_Gooch]

My experience has been the opposite. Women are much more drawn to religion and "belief" than men....whether this is a good thing or not i don't know, however psychologically and sociologically this has been proven.

 

However, in regard to actual spiritual cultivation and really putting some serious time on the cushion on a daily basis and letting go of yourattachemnts.......there are not many people whom are willing to do this anyways....so i don't think discriminating between the sexes really even matters....you have either come out of the allusion that mundane existence will full-fill you or you haven't.

 

As a side note i am taking a class on Intro to Jainism...for those that don't know Jainism is a Shramanic religion of Ascetics in India, they are as Hardcore as it gets. In the religion there are more women ascetics than men....also all of my teachers are Jain ascetics and are also women.

 

-My 2 cents, Peace

 

I agree with you that women are much more drawn to religion and belief, but those things aren't necessarily good if your goal is ending rebirth. There is no buddhist practice you can study to end rebirth, if there is it's kept secret.

 

There are maybe a handful of schools like Mo Pai, and even if you had access to the right teachings you'd need to be rich so you could spend 50 years 10 hours each day or more focusing on training and nothing else.

 

One in a billion might make it out of the cycle of rebirth each generation, and that is being optimistic.

 

The rest of the people attending a 5 day vipassana retreat are just fooling themselves.

 

Even enlightenment in the Buddhist sense as I understand it has no power to stop rebirth, it's just the realization of nonexistence of self, the experience will continue past death into a new experience.

 

Achieving that realization during this lifetime does nothing to prevent future lives.

Edited October 23, 2012 by More_Pie_Guy

[Thunder_Gooch]

Why are there fewer women than men in search of Enlightenment and Freedom from Samsara?

 

women know that searching for your spectacles when they are sitting on your nose means you are nothing but distracted.

 

I've searched the spiritual communities for a companion for a long time, most "spiritual" women I've met are into reiki, wicca, paganism, vipassana and various other newage practices and beliefs.

 

I've never in my life met or even heard of a female that feels strongly about never being reborn again.

I've never heard of one that says, THIS IS BS, I didn't ask to be here, and I sure as **** don't want to go through another round of this BS.

 

That's just not really a feminine trait, and I've never met a female who thinks like that.

 

Mostly it's newage, pagan, slightly buddhist maybe kinda hodge podge of stuff.

 

 

Not that guys are any better mind you, I've only met 2 or 3 serious male seekers in my life as well.

Edited October 23, 2012 by More_Pie_Guy

[thelerner]

Our experience and prejudices speak volumes to us. You know what your studies or theological supposings tell me about the next woman I meet??

 

Nothing. She's an individual.

 

I think we're happier when we stop the labeling, categorizing and theorizing. They just slows us down and filter us from reality.

[Thunder_Gooch]

Are there fewer women than men really? Or are we talking about it as if anything the Tulk says were true?

 

I think tulku is right here in this case, but not by much. It's just that there are virtually no women at all that care about ending rebirth, and very very very very very very very few men that care about it.

 

In our modern society we have TV, movies, Netflix, video games, sex, work, lots of wonderful cuisine and exquisite wines.

 

This world is filled with endless wonderful distractions!

 

Our goal is to have more wonderful distractions, less thinking about death and rebirth.

Edited October 23, 2012 by More_Pie_Guy

[三江源]

More_pie, I sympathise.

 

One thing is that not everything has to be in the conscious. In fact what is in the conscious is oftentimes the least of import, tip of the iceberg and all.

[zanshin]

On 10/23/2012 at 4:57 AM, SunLover said:

How do you think you will feel when your attractiveness go down the drain as you age?

Edited April 19, 2020 by zanshin

[mYTHmAKER]

I've never in my life met or even heard of a female that feels strongly about never being reborn again.

I've never heard of one that says, THIS IS BS, I didn't ask to be here, and I sure as **** don't want to go through another round of this BS.

 

That's just not really a feminine trait, and I've never met a female who thinks like that.

 

Obviously you have not met mYTHISmAKER

[Thunder_Gooch]

Obviously you have not met mYTHISmAKER

 

So what's your game plan to end rebirth, what practices are you doing?

 

er...

 

I guess you were talking about your wife and not yourself.

 

What is her game plan to end rebirth then?

Edited October 23, 2012 by More_Pie_Guy

[Nikolai1]

Hi Pie guy,

 

I've searched the spiritual communities for a companion for a long time, most "spiritual" women I've met are into reiki, wicca, paganism, vipassana and various other newage practices and beliefs.

 

I've never in my life met or even heard of a female that feels strongly about never being reborn again.

I've never heard of one that says, THIS IS BS, I didn't ask to be here, and I sure as **** don't want to go through another round of this BS.

 

That's just not really a feminine trait, and I've never met a female who thinks like that.

They might not think like that but it doesn't matter because you do and you can bring that to the relationship. There is no need to find someone who thinks identically to us, you might be better off finding a woman whose spiritual path is different to yours. You might not meet her in so-called 'spiritual' communities but you might find here teaching the local kids or caring for people in the local hospital. She might know jack-shit about taoism but the fact is that so much of what gets called spiritual is not really spiritual, and so much of what gets called secular might actually be spiritual.

 

The most important thing is not that she shares your path but that she is open to it and respects it. If you are a good well-rounded person and your practice is bearing fruit she will not be able to stop herself from listening when you tell her about taoist or buddhist thought. The stuff you probably excel in is very very hard to understand, and your overall aim, of ending rebirth, is so marvelous and inspiring, how can people ignore it? Reading the Tao Te Ching is for most people a mortifying and chastening experience. They've heard it's this really famous and ancient book - they really want to like it - but then they read a few pages and they don't understand a word. You would do well to share it and make it understandable.

 

If we want the opposite sex to be just like us we are in for a bad time. And we've all had the experience...we meet an amazing woman who is just like us, shares all our interests, we can talk to them easily...and we don't want to take them to bed. There's a deep wisdom in our bodies.

[三江源]

 

 

If we want the opposite sex to be just like us we are in for a bad time. And we've all had the experience...we meet an amazing woman who is just like us, shares all our interests, we can talk to them easily...and we don't want to take them to bed. There's a deep wisdom in our bodies.

 

We've all had this experience. It's like learning to go without nappies, or cutting teeth, it's just one of those experiences we've all had. There are so many stars in the sky.

[GrandmasterP]

This is just an observation but it is based on 60years worth of obervations in and around the movement called spiritualist.

Women in general are far more spiritually inlined than men. More empathic,far more patient and have more stickability.

Men tend to dip in and out of things. Take up a class or a cultivation,learn the words,buy the kit and then drop it and move on to a new hobby. Women in the main stick with it whereas a lot of men want results NOW and don' persevere if there' long term application needed. I am not putting men down in any way this is jus what I have observed. I do know that all the MBS mags aim at and are read by women also that the new age fancy is a lucrative industry as is religion in general and not necessarily the worse for it. Mo Pai is as much a part of it as is Feng Shui or Yoga. They are pastimes people choose to spend moey on,as is their right. No matter how we choose to cultivate we shall all die eventually. Some will be reborn others will escape the wheel. It' all onwardsand upwards either way and any path cultivated diligently is as good but no better than any other for ensuring eventual success. Surprising who you meet from the Pure Land there are even Xtians over there alongside the rest.

[Thunder_Gooch]

Nikolai1,

 

I want a companion who shares my goals, and walks my path with me, not a cheerleader to cheer me on.

 

I've tried it over and over and over and over and over and over, and I am not interested in trying it again.

 

Being in a relationship with someone you can't even relate to, it is so empty and meaningless.

 

For me it was like being in a relationship with an empty soulless doll, an automaton.

 

I have no desire to keep repeating history, I'll either find a woman who shares my dreams or I'll die alone.

 

It's as simple as that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Pie guy,

 

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They might not think like that but it doesn't matter because you do and you can bring that to the relationship. There is no need to find someone who thinks identically to us, you might be better off finding a woman whose spiritual path is different to yours. You might not meet her in so-called 'spiritual' communities but you might find here teaching the local kids or caring for people in the local hospital. She might know jack-shit about taoism but the fact is that so much of what gets called spiritual is not really spiritual, and so much of what gets called secular might actually be spiritual.

 

The most important thing is not that she shares your path but that she is open to it and respects it. If you are a good well-rounded person and your practice is bearing fruit she will not be able to stop herself from listening when you tell her about taoist or buddhist thought. The stuff you probably excel in is very very hard to understand, and your overall aim, of ending rebirth, is so marvelous and inspiring, how can people ignore it? Reading the Tao Te Ching is for most people a mortifying and chastening experience. They've heard it's this really famous and ancient book - they really want to like it - but then they read a few pages and they don't understand a word. You would do well to share it and make it understandable.

 

If we want the opposite sex to be just like us we are in for a bad time. And we've all had the experience...we meet an amazing woman who is just like us, shares all our interests, we can talk to them easily...and we don't want to take them to bed. There's a deep wisdom in our bodies.

[Thunder_Gooch]

Being spiritual doesn't necessarily mean you want to stop being reborn.

 

 

 

 

This is just an observation but it is based on 60years worth of obervations in and around the movement called spiritualist.

Women in general are far more spiritually inlined than men. More empathic,far more patient and have more stickability.

Men tend to dip in and out of things. Take up a class or a cultivation,learn the words,buy the kit and then drop it and move on to a new hobby. Women in the main stick with it whereas a lot of men want results NOW and don' persevere if there' long term application needed. I am not putting men down in any way this is jus what I have observed. I do know that all the MBS mags aim at and are read by women also that the new age fancy is a lucrative industry as is religion in general and not necessarily the worse for it. Mo Pai is as much a part of it as is Feng Shui or Yoga. They are pastimes people choose to spend moey on,as is their right. No matter how we choose to cultivate we shall all die eventually. Some will be reborn others will escape the wheel. It' all onwardsand upwards either way and any path cultivated diligently is as good but no better than any other for ensuring eventual success. Surprising who you meet from the Pure Land there are even Xtians over there alongside the rest.

Edited October 23, 2012 by More_Pie_Guy

[Nikolai1]

Hi Pie guy

 

Being in a relationship with someone you can't even relate to, it is so empty and meaningless.

 

For me it was like being in a relationship with an empty soulless doll, an automaton.

 

I think what happens is that you find yourself able to relate to people who you would never have been able to in the past. Spiritual practice makes us more open, less exclusive, and more tolerant of difference. Just because it has failed in the past doesn't mean it will fail next time. There is the phenomenon of dating agency matching where two people look perfect on paper, which might succeed for a while, but there's no creative tension - it's pleasant and there's no pain.

 

I think you have to check with yourself and make sure that your spiritual seeking hasn't become part of your identity, like a persona. The time you look at yourself and realise what bullshit the spiritual search is is the time you will meet your soul mate. She's so unlike you...but the sex is earth moving.

[mYTHmAKER]

So what's your game plan to end rebirth, what practices are you doing?

 

er...

 

I guess you were talking about your wife and not yourself.

 

What is her game plan to end rebirth then?

 

Combination of wishful thinking and not creating any karma.

Realizing and treating everything and everyone including me (LOL) as god.

being in a place of oneness.

Also a lot of tv watching.

 

My plan is too be grounded and present which makes me happy.

Be here now - hope Ram Dass doesen't sue me for staeling his quote.

[GrandmasterP]

Just as sure as you can see a silver car covered in leaves out your window. As certain as you go to bed and sleep then awake between two and three am before settling back down......you just watch and see where before that cherry tree along the way comes into blossom again that you will have met the right one for you More Pie Guy.

And if you don't make up your mind about the big change needed, AND ACT; then nobody is going to do it for you.

Happines will come but you need to allow it.

;-)