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Dorian...

Which DVD-s, for those who interested in Gary J. Clyman nei gong, have to have (complete system)?

 

Jox,

 

Hi Jox,

 

when you want to learn & practice the whole Nei Kung part of the Temple Style Taichi system, you just need to buy the Mind Light Nei Kung package for $3,450. I already described the many contents of it in detail in this thread twice (many DVD's + the Nei Kung Bible). The Tidal Wave Chi Kung set is in fact INCLUDED in this Mind Light Nei Kung set. The reason for that is that there are several basic exercises that you learn in detail how to practice ONLY on the Tidal Wave Chi Kung set. These basic exercises are also part of the Nei Kung subset DVD's "Green Sash" and "Blue Sash" and also part of and practiced in the final 4 one hour Nei Kung routines A, B, C, D. But you LEARN how to do them only once in the Tidal Wave Chi Kung DVD's.

When you get the package, you learn the material via the Tifal Wave Chi Kung DVD's and the Nei Kung subst DVD's "Green" and "Blue". Then you actually train the stuff with the Nei Kung routines A, B, C, D by circling through them. If you want, you can also include "Green", "Blue" and the "Daily Practice Routine" as permanent parts of your training in the end, that's no problem. The advantage would be that you do several exercises for a LONGER time in "Green" or "Blue" as you do them in the Routines A - D, which include more exercises but you train each one for a shorter time. And when you don't have much time on a day, you could do only "The Daily Practice routine" from the Tidal Wave Chi Kung Set, because this Routine only takes 28 minutes to train (the learning part of the Tidal Wave Chi Kung set takes, as far as I remember, around 3 hours to go through btw)! Tidal Wave Chi Kung and it's final "Daily Practice Routine" include only the basic and not complicated exercises of the Nei Kung part of the Temple Style system, so everybody who has 1/2 hour a day can do them. So in Gary's system, "Chi Kung" means simply that it's only A SMALL PART of the whole and huge Nei Kung system of Temple style Taichi!

Mind Light Nei Kung is all you need to develop your internal power to it's peak and to succeed in Taoist Alchemy (Regrow of your Yuan Chi).

 

Gary's "Big Wave Internal Kung Fu" DVD's include advanced exercises that he INVENTED first and foremost FOR HIMSELF at his level of development! They are NOT original Temple Style Taichi Nei Kung exercises! His students wanted that he teached these to them and they realized that they felt great afterwards, so he did put them on DVD. I don't know more about them and I don't know anything about his upcoming "Fire torch" DVD.

Edited November 27, 2012 by Dorian Black

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I hate to step in on this but Dorian's probably to busy "sucking" right now.

 

Ok so here's the path to internal success AND going broke all rolled up into 1.

1. Tidal wave chikung DVD because this is the foundation

2.Big Wave because he made this recently and you may as well buy it too

3. Mind Light because you want all of the unnecessary exercises in this 4 hour DVD. I mean get ready to suck and actually yell things in your very own living room!

3. Last but certainly not least the Fire Torch DVD! This puppy is so hot it needs to cool off before it can be released! Who actually knows what's on this one because the other DVDs contain the "ENTIRE FRIGGIN TEMPO STYLE ER'THING GONG" so this has to be some MIND blowing SHIT! Literally Shit. And I mean why not right? The guy has to make a living so if he bottles his own piss and shit and calls it the Golden Gatorade with Chunks, I'm sure someone would buy it right Dorian?

 

Dude,

 

first, you are in this thread on my turf now and attacking me! I thought it would be rude to interfere in the "temple style taji" thread, so I didn't do it, but now, as you are interfering here and attacking me and what I am convinced of AGAIN, let me ask you to please answer openly in this thread the following question:

 

h.uriahr,

why don't you tell us all the real reason (that you already told me per PM) why you in fact quit Temple Style Taichi TAO GONG training?

(...this will make your recent participation in the "temple style taiji" thread even more absurd!)

You already told me per PM but because you are attacking openly Gary again, I want you to admit it openly here in this thread!

So tell us all openly what New-School Temple Style Taichi Master Gregory James told you personally in a private conversation what Temple Style Taichi Tao Gong is actually based on if you want real progress? Is it the training on the DVD's you can buy from the taichitaocenter or is it something else?

 

If you dont dare say it openely, I will quote you what you PM'ed me btw....

I mean, you are our direct and believable source, aren't you!

 

 

 

And don't worry, I will address your accusations at Gary later, I already prepared the text of my argumentation and will post it after we are through with this!

 

 

EDIT: I just read your blog and saw that there you are NOT addressing directly and properly the real reason (that you told me per PM) why you are not training Temple Style Tao Gong anymore!

The corresponding quote from your blog:

Having said all of these great things, the only real downside to this is that I don't live in Florida, nor do I live in Illinois, nor do I live in India. These 3 places are home to the top temple style masters. Florida is home to Sifu Hoffmann. Illinois is home to Sifu Kimball Paul, Waysun Liao and the Tai Chi Tao Center. India is home to Sifu Gregory James. This style will always have a place in my heart although it appears that my journey with this system may have to take a detour for now...

Edited November 27, 2012 by Dorian Black

[h.uriahr]

 

 

Dude,

 

first, you are in this thread on my turf now and attacking me! I thought it would be rude to interfere in the "temple style taji" thread, so I didn't do it, but now, as you are interfering here and attacking me and what I am convinced of AGAIN, let me ask you to please answer openly in this thread the following question:

 

h.uriahr,

why don't you tell us all the real reason (that you already told me per PM) why you in fact quit Temple Style Taichi TAO GONG training?

(...this will make your recent participation in the "temple style taiji" thread even more absurd!)

You already told me per PM but because you are attacking openly Gary again, I want you to admit it openly here in this thread!

So tell us all openly what New-School Temple Style Taichi Master Gregory James told you personally in a private conversation what Temple Style Taichi Tao Gong is actually based on if you want real progress? Is it the training on the DVD's you can buy from the taichitaocenter or is it something else?

 

If you dont dare say it openely, I will quote you what you PM'ed me btw....

I mean, you are our direct and believable source, aren't you!

 

 

 

And don't worry, I will address your accusations at Gary later, I already prepared the text of my argumentation and will post it after we are through with this!

 

 

EDIT: I just read your blog and saw that there you are NOT addressing directly and properly the real reason (that you told me per PM) why you are not training Temple Style Tao Gong anymore!

The corresponding quote from your blog:

 

WOW Lol! You're turf? How so?

 

I haven't updated my blog in a while but you pretty much hit the nail on the head so now what?

 

I know you have plenty of Kool Aid to drink so great luck.

 

 

BTW I still practice certain exercises from the temple style system

Edited November 27, 2012 by h.uriahr

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WOW Lol! You're turf? How so?

 

I haven't updated my blog in a while but you pretty much hit the nail on the head so now what?

 

I know you have plenty of Kool Aid to drink so great luck.

 

 

BTW I still practice certain exercises from the temple style system

 

 

Because of my limited perception and fixation on power and immortality I certainly can't understand why you would leave temple style for another system that gives you a deep inner peace, especially when Sifu Hoffman gave you already personal training, a jing experience and the possibility to buy Waysun Liao's private invitation material!

The reason I have picked up another practice is because of a private conversation I had with Gregory James.

The reason I have picked up another practice is because of a private conversation I had with Gregory James.

WHAT? Gregory James suggested to you to train in ANOTHER system than temple style?

He didnt suggest it but energy transmission is a huge part of the system. It basically sounded to me like I'd have to fly to India or move to Illinois to obtain a level like James or Liao.

He didnt suggest it but energy transmission is a huge part of the system.

It basically sounded to me like I'd have to fly to India or move to Illinois to obtain a level like James or Liao.

True, according to what I've read from Gregory James.

But then there is Gary Clyman who got his Jing without it and only by working out like a maniac with the old-school Nei Kung material. And I haven't read or heard anything that proves to me that Gregory James, Waysun Liao or Ron Hoffmann are on a much higher power level than Gary, with or without energy transmissions.

You collapsed when Ron Hoffmann gave you an example of his Jing, but LittlePie and others collapsed also when Gary gave them an example of his Jing. Gary claimed to LittlePie that he only used one vibration and he could have used hundreds, and I am sure that Ron Hoffmann could have used a similar power on you. But I have not heard or read anything that suggests that Liao or Hoffmann or Gregory are on a much higher power level than Gary although they supposedly got many energetic transmissions. If you heard any proof that they are much more powerful than Gary, then please tell me!

Think about the Mo Pai and John Chang and their incredible power level. They achieve that through Nei Kung only, without energy transmissions. They compress chi, fill their tantien and build the wiring (basic path training). These elements are at least similar to the temple style nei kung system.

In my personal opinion, energy transmissions can speed up your development but I see no proof why you shouldn't be able to reach a very high level without it...if you are willing to work out like a maniac.

 

Dear h.uriahr,

thank you so much for giving us all clear proof that Temple Style Taichi TAO GONG training (even the private invitation stuff in your opinion (see above!)) is useless without Energy Transmissions if you want to achieve a high level of Internal Power! Thank you for not only completely agreeing with me in this point, but actually proving it through your highest level source of information!

 

Now, let's again consider that Master Gary J. Clyman and his good students all achieved a high level of Internal Power (Jing) through Gary's Mind Light Nei Kung system without any Energy Transmissions, according to the sources I already quoted and it is my pleasure to quote these here again:

 

http://wongkiewkit.c...read.php?t=8776

 

23rd September 2009, 08:25 PM

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Misinformed

 

There seems to be some confusion over Gary's statement and that's understandable. Gary isnt saying that the Chinese character for "chi" is what's in the characters of tai chi. He's saying that the actual manifestation of chi, the way he describes it, is what is involved in tai chi, or supposed to be anyway.

 

Gary will happily demonstrate on anyone who wants to doubt his training. His training isnt something to be overlooked or mocked. Hands down his system is the best system I've ever seen or trained in. Keep in mind that his teacher is Waysun Liao who is top notch.

I cant really speak for him. I have an opinion though, if it matters lol.

 

It's my understanding that when people actually project what they call "chi" that it's a more refined chi substance, jing. You can feel your own chi flow as I can feel my own chi flow but the vibration of my/your chi is on too high a level for me/you to project to me/you, unless it's been condensed through some sort of qigong, meditation, etc. That's Gary's say on it, I may have misquoted him or just completely fabricated that from poor memory but if I recall correctly that's how he sees it.

 

Personally I agree completely with Clyman. I also think that most qigong masters say what he says but maybe in a different way. Another way to view it (poor example warning) is like a big river or lake or whatever. The water source is great and all but if you build a dam then you can really use the source. Very poor example choice.

 

 

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Originally Posted by mwolf

I guess when I see statements like that, it makes me question whether individuals like this truly know what they are talking about. These types of people then go on writing books on subjects as fascinating as Qigong and really don't understand what it is, teaching nonsense to students to make a quick buck.

 

I was able to get through about a third of the article as I do find it interesting reading. On a similar note, there was also a thread on this forum with Sifu Doucherty talking about Qi as if it was irrelevant.

 

Just makes me a bit sad to see people make comments of this sort as it truly discredits their expertise.

Of course he knows what hes talking about.His master was waysun liao, you can go and see him, punch him and kick him in the torso to test his iron shirt and ask him to discharge his jing into you.Have fun with your insides bouncing around and collapsing to the floor once he does it.He also has an interesting story to tell you about sifu wong kiew kit if you ask him.Im not going to say anything or go into details, but lets just say Mr clyman is not impressed with his level of expertise.

 

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5th August 2011, 05:59 PM

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Ok let me clear some things up , ive read all of wong kiew kits books and i got bad deviations from his practices back in 2002. They lasted for years but i kept on practicing and practicing because i thought that the bad feelings were the chi clearing things out, not only that but i am aware that there are many others suffering deviations also. I did not insult him i stated that clyman did , but in reality he deserves my insults. He doesnt explain things clearly enough in his books and people have suffered.On to Gary now .I went to see Gary Clyman in person, he is everything he says he is and much more.I weigh 84 kilos(not fat) and punched him and his other top guys as hard as i could, ive trained with pro boxers and i can deliver a punch that will knock any man down.I delivered powerfull(liver and spleen) shots and they didnt tense up.When i punched Gary it felt like my wrist bent and could have snapped(he told me he could have snapped it if he wanted to) Not only that but his fa jing demonstrations were very impressive as was his emotional liposuction, he sent me flying with a light slap and i felt my insides bouncing around.Not only that but he said that he hadnt really hit me yet, I refused to test the next level off power.I have his entire system and he is superior to wong kiew kit by a 1000 lifetimes.That is my opinion and if it gets me kicked off then boo hoo hoo.I dont really care! Gary Clyman knows exactly what he is talking about and his stuff works way better than wongs.There are no insults just facts.GET OVER IT

 

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http://www.bullshido...php/t-5002.html

 

Peacedog

8/05/2003 10:59pm,

Yeah, I know Gary. He is a very good martial tai chi guy in Chicago. I've played with him a few times and he always wins very easily. He is big on meditation, but he also has the goods. He was orginally trained in martial tai chi, Temple Style I believe, and also knows shia chiao (I know I can't spell).

 

He is also one of the few practitioners I know who will demonstrate to anyone. He will gladly take anyone's punch to demonstrate the Golden Bell/Iron Shirt stuff. He also has very strong fa jing. Particularly for the non-believers out there if you want proof that this stuff work go to Chicago and ask him to discharge on you. I've never known any non-believer to ask twice.

 

Equally impressive his students can all also do the Golden Bell stuff. His good students can also discharge.

 

Hell, he sent me flying into a brick wall with only four fingers and I weighted almost 100kg at the time.

 

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Peacedog

8/05/2003 11:19pm,

Very funny. Ask him to punch you using the jing. The sensation is quite amazing and depends on the the typle of jing used. You will go flying.

 

While there are many frauds among the tai chi guys. Gary is one of the few who actually has it.

 

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Peacedog

8/05/2003 11:40pm,

Yeah both Gary and his students fight in tournaments occasionally. Sometimes they win and sometimes they don't. They always do well however. Just like the rest of us and any real fighters. He is very honest about the performance of both himself and his students. Hell I even watched him fight in a boxing match match once. He did that for his 50th birthday just for fun. He won.

 

His school is very small maybe half a dozen to a dozen people are there at any time. He is very picky about only promoting people who know what they are doing. I think only one person has every completed the system. Also the promotion to green sash requires the person testing to go out and fight someone from another system who is widely known as very good. If memory served a young gold sash was told he would have to fight Nick Fury to get his green sash. This was not an exaggeration. Gary meant it. The training is fairly demanding from a personal practice standpoint and posers leave. Basically you learn the form and then practice the techniques on your own. So if you are not really interested you quit. The two classes I've seen of his were for corrections to form and to practice two person fighting techniques.

 

He fought Vince Black a number of years ago and lost. Although Vince said Gary did the best of anyone who ever challenged him. Gary gives full respect to the good players out there. He will also tell you if someone is full of ****. Basically he is a standup guy.

 

 

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Peacedog

8/05/2003 11:56pm,

Yes I've seen Gary do this to a variety of people all of whom had fighting experience. He has done it to me (judo, budotaijitsu, shotokan, boxing and alot of military unarmed combat stuff). I watched him do it to a 5th dan Jeet Kun Do guy who was about 215 lbs and a tad over six feet tall, and an experience boxer in the middle of a match, as well as a few other guys.

 

To answer the other person, jing is a chinese medical and meditative term that means something like cultivated essense. In fa jing this cultivated essense, which takes years to get apparently, is disharged out of the fighter into the target. It feels like you are getting hit with a brick.

 

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Peacedog

8/06/2003 11:41pm,

Sorry it took so long to get back to you guys but I'm about 10 hours ahead out here.

 

Nick Fury is some local grappling guy in the Chicago area. I've never met him personally but I've seen video of him fighting in tournaments a few times. His techniques look solid.

 

As for the JKD person you would have to talk to Gary himself. I only met him, the JKD person, over a two day seminar and those were his own words. In any event he was a big solid guy who knew how to move.

 

Gary has his opinions on the meditative side of the art, but he can back it up on the street. One of the nice things is that he is willing to demonstrate this on anyone who shows up.

 

I would suggest you call or go visit him in Chicago if you want to see a tai chi guy who has it. He is outspoken, but very friendly. And not in the weird ass cult/I am the master of the universe way that many of the frauds in this form present themselves.

 

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Peacedog

8/07/2003 2:46am,

Sam,

Thanks for the reply. I appreciate the sincerity. Gary is also a very skilled meditator and accupuncturist with about 30 years of experience. I've spent a few days, on a couple of different occaisions, following him around his accupuncture practice and he is very impressive in his treatment of patients. I can't speak to AIDS patients, but based off of his record in treating other people I don't think it is unreasonable that he can help with an immune system dysfunction or health in general.

 

I got interested in the healing modalities after breaking my back in a skydiving accident about 2 1/2 years ago. After one treatment Gary took me from 50% to about 80 to 85% despite having done all the other rehabilitative/drug thearapies offered by conventional medicine. I have also seen him help people with circulatory and respiratory problems dramatically. As well as treating people who were suffering from mental and psychological problems as well with good results using the emotional liposuction techniqes.

 

In a world of frauds in the meditative/martial arts communities he is one of the few I have seen who had credibility in person. He is very honest about his abilities and will be the first to tell you if he cannot do something. Addtionally all of his stuff is solidly built off of technique and practice. No mythical nonsense. Everything is you do A and you get B. He is also open about the fact that his ability to do any of this is based off of lots of experimentation, good teachers, and years of spending several hours a day working on all of this. People out there can do some of this stuff, but the amount of effort required to do so is extreme and built over time. His techniques and training timelines closely mirror what I have seen among the few other credible practitioners I have met over the years and correspond to my own experiences which came from outside their systems.

 

Thanks for the message,

 

Tom Skarda

 

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Posted 28 January 2008 - 12:37 AM

To all,

 

I know Gary Clyman quite well. While his personality sets alot of people off he has some of the best martial tai chi I've ever seen. If you are in Chicago and want to see what real tai chi looks like go see Clyman. I never met anyone half as good while in living in Beijing.

 

BTW, Waysun Liao is no longer teaching the material he taught to Gary. As often happens as teachers age they find a new focus for their efforts. If you want to get the martial side of tai chi from Waysun's lineage you'll need to see Gary. Gary is very honest about what he is and is not capable of doing and I've never met anyone who doubted his skills who actually met him. Many people do not like Gary because of his personality. Too bad for them. I've often seen Gary repair the damage caused by other less concerned teachers and I've never seen him permanently hurt anyone either.

 

Out of a handful of teachers I've met who "had the goods" he is one of the most giving and certainly more concerned with his students' well being than most. He is quite intense. That is the reason why he is good at what he does. That said he is neither crazy or dangerous to the people around him. He just despises time wasters and chases them off. That cannot be said of all of the people I have studied with.

 

We all like to think that our teachers should be paradigms of virtue, have the wisdom of warrior sages and an angelic outward appearance. Reality rarely comes across that way. Several of my teachers completely terrified me and I often wondered if I would survive their training. Gary for example has never beaten me unconscious. The same cannot be said of a female teacher of mine who sits just over five feet tall and weights in at under 100 pounds. Likewise, the closest I ever came to death during training happened while going through a particularly intense series of trials at the hands of an angelic senior citizen that primarily practiced a school whose focus is out of body projection. It always surprises me when others meet these folks and are completely freaked out.

 

Best of luck with your search for a teacher,

Peacedog

 

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I have met at least a dozen or more of Liaos's students including those who have been practicing for over 30 years. It looks like this to me:

 

20 years ago or more he was teaching good stuff. I haven't seen any students who have been with him for less than 10-15 years who have in significant skill. Some of the older guys are really good and really nice. I know the training is very different than it used to be, because the older guys told me so.

 

The newer students seem to be way way off in some fantasy land. The older ones seem to have some base in reality. I don't think Liao actually teaches any Taichi anymore. If he does, just barely. It's all student teaching.

 

I think anyone with a solid six months of Jiujitsu could take out virtually any of the students who have less than ten years of taichi practice under there belts.

 

Even the guys who have been with him for over 20 years still say he hasn't given them everything which is very interesting since Liao himself was in training for less than 10.

 

I have touched hands in a teaching environment with Liao about half a dozen times. He is really really good! And, yes soft like a willow. Truely amazing. Very powerful.

 

To Liao, from his mouth, as I understood him say it, the purpose of taichi is to purify and return to the Mother, the Dao itself. I believe that is true.

 

It is also a nice excuse for students who don't want to face reality. They can just pretend that their taichi is good because they are "returning to the Dao." When someone puts them on the ground or into the wall they can respond with "That was really physical," or "Taichi is not a martial art," or any other nonsense that will help them justify the fact that they don't have anything to show for their training. I feel really sad for them. Especially because Liao is so good.

 

 

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Quote: Dorian Black

My friend and Thetaobums-member LittlePie took part in Gary Clyman's „Personal Power Training“ and tested Gary's Jing: Gary touched him slightly on the shoulder and LittlePie went down like "hit by a sledge-hammer". Gary told him that he only used ONE vibration and that he could have used HUNDREDS if he wanted to.

Edited November 27, 2012 by Dorian Black

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I hate to step in on this but Dorian's probably to busy "sucking" right now.

 

Ok so here's the path to internal success AND going broke all rolled up into 1.

1. Tidal wave chikung DVD because this is the foundation

2.Big Wave because he made this recently and you may as well buy it too

3. Mind Light because you want all of the unnecessary exercises in this 4 hour DVD. I mean get ready to suck and actually yell things in your very own living room!

3. Last but certainly not least the Fire Torch DVD! This puppy is so hot it needs to cool off before it can be released! Who actually knows what's on this one because the other DVDs contain the "ENTIRE FRIGGIN TEMPO STYLE ER'THING GONG" so this has to be some MIND blowing SHIT! Literally Shit. And I mean why not right? The guy has to make a living so if he bottles his own piss and shit and calls it the Golden Gatorade with Chunks, I'm sure someone would buy it right Dorian?

 

 

 

As promised, I answer further:

Second, the only problem with Gary Clyman's Mind Light Nei Kung is that it's time-consuming hard work! But it's very highly likely that it's the only buyable system out there that will lead you to the highest goals of Taoist Alchemy!

Because it's so demanding (and I am a lazy guy as all others who wishes that everything just falls into my lap) I took breaks from it and tried several other systems to test them and to find out if these are at least as effective as Gary's system plus less demanding! What I found out was that these systems I tried were always much less demanding concerning focused, concentrated mind-effort. That was the good thing. The bad thing was that they ALWAYS were also much less effective than Gary's system.

In several (the worst!) cases I am sure that concrete and steady progress is not only absolutely IMPOSSIBLE with them and all you get are superficial chi sensations that can make you addicted to them but eventually these systems will not lead to no progress at all but rather will ACCELERATE the burning out of your Yuan Chi as the high price for enjoying wonderful sensations like seing light (when the room is dark or your eyes are closed), feeling "extremely alive", "one with the universe", all the time „Kundalini“ symptoms and similar sensations! These practices are like DRUGS, they FEED ON your energy, accelerate the burning-up of your precious reservoir of Yuan Chi instead of storing it up further! These systems are the WORST, they reduce you to Chi-Crack-Addicts! I will not specify them but my experiences with them only strengthened my enthusiasm for Gary J. Clyman as a great treacher who want's only for his students to grow and to become independant strong individuals! That's also the reason why Gary sells you the whole Temple Style Nei Kung package ALL AT ONCE in his Mind Light Nei Kung package which INCLUDES the Tidal Wave Chi Kung DVD's! He wants to make you independant and NOT dependant on him! You will NEVER have to buy another thing from him again and you will have everything you need to achieve the highest Taoist Alchemic goals....if you are willing to invest the time and work nessecary for it.

So the absolute CONTRARY of what you are saying is true! There are OTHER teachers who want to make you dependant and the best sign to identify them is that they have TONS of "great" but tiny little DVD's they want to sell you, you NEVER get the "whole" system from them!

 

 

So, the reason why I engage so much in this thread advertising Gary's Mind Light Nei Kung, is that I am convinced now MORE THAN EVER BEFORE (after trying out other teachers and their stuff in between) that:

1. Gary is the real deal as a teacher!

2. Gary's Mind Light Nei Kung is the real deal as a system!

Edited November 27, 2012 by Dorian Black

[joeblast]

This thread is devolving into a piss fest.

[Isimsiz Biri]

This thread is devolving into a piss fest.

 

Oh, How can you say that when the tu-di and commercial advertisement agency of Gary J. Clyman, the greatest Neigong Master on this planet called Earth is sharing his expertise about Neigong? His excellency is giving the top secret information of his great master. Show respect, you naugthy boy?

Edited November 27, 2012 by Recep Ivedik

[h.uriahr]

As promised, I answer

 

 

 

 

As promised:

Second, the only problem with Gary Clyman's Mind Light Nei Kung is that it's time-consuming hard work! But it's very highly likely that it's the only buyable system out there that will lead you to the highest goals of Taoist Alchemy!

Because it's so demanding (and I am a lazy guy as all others who wishes that everything just falls into my lap) I took breaks from it and tried several other systems to test them and to find out if these are at least as effective as Gary's system plus less demanding! What I found out was that these systems I tried were always much less demanding concerning focused, concentrated mind-effort. That was the good thing. The bad thing was that they ALWAYS were also much less effective than Gary's system.

In several (the worst!) cases I am sure that concrete and steady progress is not only absolutely IMPOSSIBLE with them and all you get are superficial chi sensations that can make you addicted to them but eventually these systems will not lead to no progress at all but rather will ACCELERATE the burning out of your Yuan Chi as the high price for enjoying wonderful sensations like seing light (when the room is dark or your eyes are closed), feeling "extremely alive", "one with the universe", all the time „Kundalini“ symptoms and similar sensations! These practices are like DRUGS, they FEED ON your energy, accelerate the burning-up of your precious reservoir of Yuan Chi instead of storing it up further! These systems are the WORST, they reduce you to Chi-Crack-Addicts! I will not specify them but my experiences with them only strengthened my enthusiasm for Gary J. Clyman as a great treacher who want's only for his students to grow and to become independant strong individuals! That's also the reason why Gary sells you the whole Temple Style Nei Kung package ALL AT ONCE in his Mind Light Nei Kung package which INCLUDES the Tidal Wave Chi Kung DVD's! He wants to make you independant and NOT dependant on him! You will NEVER have to buy another thing from him again and you will have everything you need to achieve the highest Taoist Alchemic goals....if you are willing to invest the time and work nessecary for it.

So the absolute CONTRARY of what you are saying is true! There are OTHER teachers who want to make you dependant and the best sign to identify them is that they have TONS of "great" but tiny little DVD's they want to sell you, you NEVER get the "whole" system from them!

 

 

So, the reason why I engage so much in this thread advertising Gary's Mind Light Nei Kung, is that I am convinced now MORE THAN EVER BEFORE (after trying out other teachers and their stuff in between) that:

1. Gary is the real deal as a teacher!

2. Gary's Mind Light Nei Kung is the real deal as a system!

 

Edit: spelling

 

My last posting on this matter.

 

Good luck with Gary's Goat Milk

[Wells]

Oh, How can you say that when the tu-di and commercial advertisement agency of Gary J. Clyman, the greatest Neigong Master on this planet called Earth is sharing his expertise about Neigong? His excellency is giving the top secret information of his great master. Show respect, you naugthy boy?

 

Thank you, but I hope we can now return to topic!

(without any further evidence-free aggressive insult-attacks)

 

Anyone else who has evidence for or personal experience with a system that leads to "strong energy cultivation"?

Edited November 27, 2012 by Dorian Black

[Isimsiz Biri]

My last posting on this matter.

Good luck with Gary's Goat Milk

 

You are breaking my heart. How can you say "Good luck with Gary's Goat Milk"? You should say "Good luck Your Excellency, with the teachings of Gary J. Clyman, the Greatest Neigong master on this planet called Earth"

[adept]

you just need to buy the Mind Light Nei Kung package for $3,450.

 

Surely this can't be right !

[Wells]

More about Gary Clyman's awesome powers, thanks to his powerful Nei Kung Training:

 

Gary Clyman Facts:

"John Chang FEARS demons, Gary Clyman KILLS them!"

 

According to his own comment:

youtube.com/watch?v=sCq2kIqii4g

I kill demons.

 

and according to this radio interview (media link below!) where he discusses his EXORCISMS, when he sucks DEMONS out of people and kills them!!!

 

http://player.fm/ser...man-feb-22-2011

Listen to three frightening & crazy Exorcism cases: 0:27:00 - 0:41:00 !!!

 

Demon, right before Gary sucks him out of the possessed patient and KILLS him,[/b]']

I'M-NOT-GONNA-LET-YOU-DO-THIS!!!

 

Ghost of a RAPIST, right before Gary sucks him out of the possessed girl and throwing him TO HELL,[/b]']

Noooo!!! I dont wanna go to HELL!!!

 

Gary J. Clyman, greatest Neigong Master of this planet called Earth

 

Yeah, I guess you are in fact right with that!

Edited November 27, 2012 by Dorian Black

[h.uriahr]

 

 

Surely this can't be right !

 

That's 100% correct! PLUS you get to sleep well knowing you have a "temple style" DVD from someone who was actually kicked out of the school! AND another bonus is that this guy is so inline with the Tao that he's constantly endorsing products that he then quits using in like 3 months. Don't be surprised if he comes out with another book plus 3 more Secret DVDs and some Gary Super Goo.....

[Wells]

That's 100% correct! PLUS you get to sleep well knowing you have a "temple style" DVD from someone who was actually kicked out of the school! AND another bonus is that this guy is so inline with the Tao that he's constantly endorsing products that he then quits using in like 3 months. Don't be surprised if he comes out with another book plus 3 more Secret DVDs and some Gary Super Goo.....

 

Dude,

 

you did only ONE right thing in your whole life so far:

You bought Gary's Mind Light Nei Kung DVD set!

 

So do ANOTHER right thing in your life AND TRAIN WITH IT!

But maybe it's simply TOO HARD for you...

[h.uriahr]

 

 

Dude,

 

you did only ONE right thing in your whole life so far:

You bought Gary's Mind Light Nei Kung DVD set!

 

So do ANOTHER right thing in your life AND TRAIN WITH IT!

But maybe it's simply TOO HARD for you...

 

That means a lot to me really it does, no really....I mean that....my life had no purpose and I was lost until you said that. Thank you Dorian...thank you. Now if you don't mind I'm going to pick up my daughter, one of the many mistakes in my life but luckily I'll make it all better by squeezing my taint and sucking and blah blah blah

 

Thanks Dorian

[joeblast]

I've got a great new link for you guys

 

http://thetaobums.com/forum/40-the-pit/

[Wells]

I've got a great new link for you guys

 

http://thetaobums.co...rum/40-the-pit/

 

The eternal pit for trolls..?

Edited November 27, 2012 by Dorian Black

[h.uriahr]

I've got a great new link for you guys

 

http://thetaobums.com/forum/40-the-pit/

 

I'll just suck and project until my will infects the mods and then they'll have no choice but to put this back in the Taoist discussion.

 

 

I woke up in the wrong side of the bed this morning.

[Shagrath]

Interesting thing is that in this thread about strong energy cultivation/cultivators nobody mentioned Yan Xin. He is total mystery. It is said that he put out a forest fire in China, did a lot of experiments with scientists in America etc and yet nobody knows anything about him except that his teacher is shaolin monk and he is one of the Chunyi Lin teachers and he really kicks ass. That's it. Really strange

[Celestial]

GARY J. CLYMAN™

[Jox]

Interesting thing is that in this thread about strong energy cultivation/cultivators nobody mentioned Yan Xin. He is total mystery. It is said that he put out a forest fire in China, did a lot of experiments with scientists in America etc and yet nobody knows anything about him except that his teacher is shaolin monk and he is one of the Chunyi Lin teachers and he really kicks ass. That's it. Really strange

 

Agree with you, it would be fine to dig some info out...

Anyone knows of Yan Xin system what is about? ...

 

Jox,

Edited November 27, 2012 by Jox

[h.uriahr]

Santiago Dobles is awesome.

Ron Hoffman is awesome.

Hundun is awesome.

Gearry Hearfield although I've never met him, is pretty cool too. He has a lot of gems.

 

I think tenaga dalam and tummo is under appreciated.

[h.uriahr]

Get a good supply by reverse breathing then throw in some triangle breathing and you've got some serious cultivation

[Celestial]

Get a good supply by reverse breathing then throw in some triangle breathing and you've got some serious cultivation

 

What's triangle breathing?

[h.uriahr]

 

 

What's triangle breathing?

 

Example. Inhale 5 secs hold 5 secs exhale 5 secs