Ascension thru inner power

[templetao]

I wanted to make a side note on body heat and heaven chi.

 

First id like to say that this comes down to the nature of the chi that you are dealing with.

 

heaven chi is more subtle.

 

In this i mean that one day i was practicing like usual and all of a sudden i got like atomic hot. So i can confirm that with a heaven chi method that you can and will produce alot of heat.

[Kasuku]

Very interesting. Im wondering what decides the "temperature" of chi.

It seems that you can only broadcast your Te power with the One chi according to liao.

Can u cultivate both the heaven and yang chi (and yin chi) at the same time.

[templetao]

Very interesting. Im wondering what decides the "temperature" of chi.

It seems that you can only broadcast your Te power with the One chi according to liao.

Can u cultivate both the heaven and yang chi (and yin chi) at the same time.

 

 

The Te controls the yin and yang in the body. Once you obtain this you can control yin and yang within yourself.

 

The Te regulates all of the energy in the body it is the smart chip or dna of your energy.

[templetao]

Can u cultivate both the heaven and yang chi (and yin chi) at the same time.

 

Heaven chi is a yang chi.

Edited March 11, 2013 by templetao

[Kasuku]

OH okay, i thought you were saying this heaven energy was the one chi before yin and yang... ahh this makes alot more sense! yes i also feel the heat with yang chi

[templetao]

OH okay, i thought you were saying this heaven energy was the one chi before yin and yang... ahh this makes alot more sense! yes i also feel the heat with yang chi

 

 

Heaven chi was the first essence to come into the body and stillness of this heaven chi gave rise to the first spark this spark gave birth to yin and yang in the body.

[Kasuku]

uve probably read this passage from Eight nights with a taoist master:

 

Laotzu smiled and gave a shallow nod. “From what the sage has taught, one must give up his ego, totally and completely, with no strings attached. One must let the mind rejoin with the body, and the body rejoin with the life energy – the Chi. Then one allows the Chi to go back to the state of Te, or that unit of the power of Tao within our body. Then one broadcasts out to match with the power of Tao, the ultimate force in the universe,” recited Chong Zen, with his finger wagging high in the air. Even with his arm raised, his long scholar’s sleeves still sleeves still dragged on the ground.

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Liao, Waysun (2011-06-16). Nine Nights with the Taoist Master (Kindle Locations 1500-1504). Taichi Tao Productions. Kindle Edition.

[templetao]

Yes i read that and all of Master Liao's books it was the correlation between that and internal thunder magic that made me take notice.

[templetao]

Then it was talking to practitioners of thunder magic and a few taichi masters and some more research that confirmed everything.

[templetao]

Id say it took my my whole tenure in internal martial arts to come to the understanding that it is descended from internal thunder magic.

[Kasuku]

Heaven chi was the first essence to come into the body and stillness of this heaven chi gave rise to the first spark this spark gave birth to yin and yang in the body.

ahaha i give up... i cant understand anymore! All i know is that there is some liquidy chi flowing around that i can control, sometimes it gets hot, and sometimes it doesnt. This must be yang chi. I think true understanding of Yuan chi, this heaven essence will only come feeling it and experiencing it, which im sure youve done

Edited March 11, 2013 by Jascha

[templetao]

Jascha,

 

Ill try to explain a bit more.

 

Its one thing to read about the TE its another to speak to someone who has attained it. When i spoke to master hoffman about he said it feels like a completely different type of vibration in the body and not the normal buzzing you feel from when you practice. That when your TE awakens that it is definitely a holy shit unforgettable experience.

 

Now this TE once awakened can be used. When you focus on your ldt from that point it charges you up.

 

After having this eye opening conversation with master hoffman and understanding that this TE was internal attained at the ldt i had to do more research to check the correlation between that and another type of internal power being generated from the ldt.

 

So this was in 2009 or 2010.

 

So from that point i had to do more research.

 

So this isnt something that i discovered or learned last nite. I head the talk of te but until Master Hoffman explained to me what it was like i really didnt know.

 

So then i went searching for other internal schools called this power at the ldt. It was a wudang school that i came across that called this power yuan chi. Anther school i came across called this power the original chi.

 

Once i understood the terms i started researching this more.

 

What my research lead to was the fact that even though some schools can take you to this level only some take deeper and deeper and really develop the power. For a while i was at stand still.

 

Until a buddy asked me to research something for him.

 

So i did and came across the internal thunder magic texts and upon reading them i realized that they were talking about the same thing it literally read like something out of a charles luk book. So then i had to hunt and speak to practitioners of internal thunder magic and get this confirmed. So i spoke to a few masters of and learned a little bit of it.

 

 

This wasnt easy i read a lot of texts and spoke to a lot of masters to come to this conclusion.

 

It was only internal thunder magic that developed the nei lei and developed it further to a significant degree.

[templetao]

Jascha,

 

Let me explain a bit more.

 

In about 2007 i had an experience when i was practicing the temple style. i was sitting on a bench in the park and i was running my mco and something in the energy switched it literally felt like i was being electrocuted. This wasnt mild i was about to call 911 but after a while is subsided.

 

Years later i was doing seated meditation. Then all of a sudden everything went black then bright white and it switch back and forth really fast for a while. Then i i felt this explosion in the ldt and then i felt really powerful jolts start to come from my ldt and then then this vibration went thru my whole body. it felt like there was a little pill in my ldt. When i body up to do moving meditation i felt sparks of energy come off of my forearm and from that time when i focus on my ldt its goes brrrm. i could bust a nut and it would still be there..this new attainment was thing else and competely different then what i experienced in the past.

 

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[templetao]

This is from page22-23 of the basic condidtions of taoist thunder magic. i did a longer quote this time.

"When the one spark had not yet agitated, my own body and the breaths of heaven and earth mutually were the inside and outside. The one is yang and the one is pure.

At the beginning, the one yang is most enduring and sound. there is nothing mixed up with it. The one yang is thrusted into the center. When the human being comes into life for the first time, the one yang had first agitated. When the father and mother wed there essences, then it is that heaven and the one give birth to water, and so it is that [the element] fire is born within water. the fire is yang. When the yang agitates, then it is that the very being streams forth that manifest their being. they definitely come to life due to heaven and the one. Water is goodness(jen). Goodness means, "to be ripe " (shih). The inside of a fruit produces a kernel, and what is stored inside the kernel, this is the goodness . Goodness is the perfect water (chen shui), and water was brought to life by heaven and the one."

[templetao]

Taken from here http://www.wmbudokan.com/about.html

 

"Sifu John DeAnzo II. Sifu John is an ordained 66th generation Daoist Priest of the Tian Shi Sect from the Longhu Shan Daoist Temple and holds a DTCM (Doctorate in Traditional Chinese Medicine) and DMQ (Doctorate in MedicalQigong therapy)."

 

His contact info is here http://www.wmbudokan.com/contact.html

 

So good luck and ill post more soon.

 

[templetao]

Due to the overwhelming pms that i got asking about a contact to train under that knows internal thunder magic. i decided to post 1.

[Kasuku]

thats great templetao!

[ChiDragon]

Yeah but does virtue in taoism mean exactly the same thing as in for example Christianity or does is have a different meaning like consciousness, flow state, etc? Are they compassion, moderation and humility?

 

Yes, "virtue" has a different meaning in Taoism. For those who follow the principles in the Tao Te Ching was considered to be having the "virtue of Tao". However, it is different from the virtue of Confucian as the "moral of conduct".

[Kasuku]

Is this johnson guy for real... anyone had any experience with him

[Kasuku]

it says on the link that sifu john is a disciple of the Dr. Jerry Allan Johnson.. i looked on his website where he claims to have esoteric teachings on spells, incantations, and i quote "making the dead walk"

[templetao]

Well Johnson is one of his Sifu's

 

i talked to Johnson years ago he was a nice guy.

 

I read that he conjured a storm in a room i read this here http://www.kamakotimandali.com/blog/index.php?p=876&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

[Kasuku]

well the story sounds convincing... from who did he learn this from, who was his master?

[puretruth01]

Dorian Black posted this on another thread and it was so good and seemed to vibe what was written on this thread i decided to post it here.

Why do people die?
What is the essence of Taoist alchemy? Xing and Ming. Fusion of soul XING with energy MING

Why do people die, if they have no diseases? Old age is the reason, you may say. But why does this old age come, what is the mechanism of it? A man grows old and dies because he is spending his vital energy. It's like a battery in a toy, when the battery is new – the toy car runs, but when the battery has run out – the toy car stops...And what kind of "battery" is it? It is something that is located in the area of the abdomen in the human body (compare stomach and stamina).

In Chinese tradition “the battery” is called MING 命, translated as life or destiny. (“How much stamina one has?”). So, this Ming - battery otherwise known as yuanqi 元氣 in traditional Chinese medicine, but in Taoism a different character is used 元炁 - the primordial qi*. It is getting spent. And when it ends, then a "kind" man with a scythe comes.

Ming is a tangible real substance and it can be felt, given a perfected sensitivity. Ming can be replenished only by mastering the since Taoist alchemy (just to emphasize that, according to the records of our school, some other traditions also posses such an essentially identical method, ). Note that to "Die" in Chinese is written emphatically: 失命 i.e. LOST MING.

But apart from Ming there is still another substance. It is located in the chest, and any other spiritual schools strive to perfect it. All of them base their teachings on it. It is called XING 性, which is translated as nature, the nature of the heart. In Chinese it is also called 心性 XIN XING or 本性 BEN XING. All the many methods of meditations and praying, stopping the internal dialogue, etc appeal to this. The mechanism is simple in theory - it is necessary to reduce the vibrations, to remove the waves and gradually reach a full peace. If you will perfect at this even further, then you will go into a stable peace, the breath will go away, the heart will almost stop beating and A Yin spirit YINSHEN will be able to leave of the body. This is what actually called enlightenment in the late Chan Buddhism. In addition, this work may lead to the improvement of specific abilities. This spirit is something that in many cultures is called a ghost. This spirit is identical to the soul that leaves the body at death – which is also called YINSHEN.

However, in contrast to the dying person, the spirit of the practitioner is connected to the body. When this out of the body experience happens, and then the spirit returns to the body, there are the certain signs which indicate that it did really happen. However many modern practitioners do not get out of the body, and with closed eyes travel in their fantasies. And that is a different phenomenon.

All religions and the latest doctrines hope for such an out of body experience, hence the attention to MORALITY is so strong. Control the passions - that's their main slogan.

If such a practitioner has not reached the mastery, he, at his death like all the dead souls, will go to a worser world (hell - in Christian terminology). After death the life memories of an ordinary person is not preserved, but the memories of a person, who has attained perfection at YINSHEN, will be preserved. But he can’t do anything with it and he can’t be reborn as a human being again. The teacher for him can only be another Yin spirit, i.e. another being from the lower worlds. The upper worlds are closed for the YINSHEN.

Xing and Ming are the separated parts of the primordial Unity. If Xing is a Yin part, then Ming is a Yang part. The YIN spirit (i.e. Xing) is inert and has no energy, and therefore he can’t rise to higher worlds. He needs energy similarly to a rocket needing fuel for the takeoff. Using only the meditation and any methods tied to Xing only changes the Yin'S characteristics, but makes no qualitative change. The ancient Taoist tradition (and with it those that I have already mentioned) uses the energy of Ming for fusion with Xing.Thus it turns these two into a Yang Spirit , also called a Tao fetus, who has the real potential and can move to higher worlds. So it is the Fusion of the energy Ming with the soul Xing that is the essence of alchemy.

Thus, the goal of alchemy - to fuse the soul Xing with the energy Ming and creating a yang Spirit – a Tao fetus, who has the real potential and can move to higher worlds.

How to perfect Xing you can understand by yourself or from the books, but how to perfect Ming you can get only in oral precepts of your Teacher. And important question is: Why it is so? Because of the fact that the secret of Ming is the secret of Life and Death! In carrying out the practice Ming the person violates a natural law (remember the saying "studying from the nature"). This law establishes that an ordinary person SHOULD BE BORN, GROW, LEAVE OR NO AFTER HIMSELF HIS PROGENY AND HIS ACTIONS, THEN GROW OLD AND DIE. Recall the Taoist phrase: "My destiny (MING!) is inside me, it is not from Heaven!" That is, a Taoist does not follow “the Nature", but instead overcomes it and goes against it.

The method passed on by a Teacher is not so complicated, so everyone can change their destiny - Ming. You do not need a special morality, you just need hard work and persistence. An ordinary person, even talented, does not have enough time to do too much of anything – whether good or evil. At childhood and at youth there are a lot of unconscious, automatic behavior. At maturity, when you just started to get your strength, the diseases and decline start to kick in. When a person reaches the top of his comprehensions of the meaning of life, ironically there is no longer the strength to do something.

As well said by Zhang Boduan: "Human life is so much as bubble on the water; yesterday one was on a horse, and now the corpse lies in the coffin, immersed in a death dream". "Remember the Death" – is one of the principles of ancient traditions. And now you can change your destiny, prolong life. What does this mean for mankind? Is this possible without responsibility?

So, why Xing can be understood by yourself or from books? Because the mind works rather manifestly, if we just watch it, we can understand that it is useful not to be overly emotional; the calm mind brings feelings of purity and reinvigoration, etc. If you go further, you can even bring out your own spirit from the body (Yin of course). However, it should be done carefully, because if a person is weak, the spirit will not return to the body and a death will occur. Therefore, you can learn it by yourself or from the books.

As for Ming, then the person can’t understand anything. He could only feel the difference between a young age and the old one etc, but it is difficult to determine whether the energy flows out, or comes in. To see all of these processes clearly you need to be already a being with the cosmic level of thinking. Every second of life staying in the illusion of a permanence, we actually run on an invisible treadmill. What happens to the Universe, how are the energies change, who does understand this now? I.e. to replenish the Ming a new you should be able to change with the cosmos, picking what assists to this task and rejecting anything else. This is the doctrine of changes of the ancient Chinese. How can modern people understand that, living by a bland clock hours and practicing in accordingly? At any modern qigong you will hear that the time and space do not matter, that your practice of qigong helps you “go beyond the natural laws”. And this is said about ordinary people who are can’t even get rid of the laws of heat and cold, food and hunger, but presume to “get rid of the influence of the Cosmos”!

So then the modern person has no alternative, but to seek a direct transmission of knowledge , which stems from the time, when the mankind have a clear understanding of cosmic laws. Of course, we can assume that a genius who can understand these law without could be born. But such an extraordinary person will not need anything at all from this world let alone a transmission. On the other hand there exist fake methods invented by ordinary people, these methods are usually only a projection of their mind and have nothing to do with the laws of Cosmos. Here is an example: Did Someone deciphered the Yi Jing? I think the answer is obvious.
Hence stem here need for the personal transmission. In this case firstly there will be no distortions, and secondly there will be personalized training for each person. Thirdly, in order to avoid deviations the practice will be done under the oversight of Teacher (and not like today, in stadiums, where participants do anything they want). Also, a ritual of accepting a student is a promise by the Teacher to be personally responsible for his student, to vouch for him, including with teachers own destiny...

古圣有言曰命由性修 性由命立 命者炁也性者神也炁 则本不离神神则有时 离炁
Ancient sages said:
Ming is perfected starting from Xing. Because you need the true spiritual condition to find your Teacher and then to practise, i.e. you need the correct state of mind while practicing.
Xing is established starting from Ming. Without repleniching and perfecting of Ming the true spiritual work is impossible.
Qi is inherently inseparable from the Shen (the spirit). If qi ever comes apart from shen, there will be an instant death. So while the person is alive they are inseparable. (This refers to the out of body experiences of the spirit when qi remains in the body)

The author © Dmitry A. Artemyev

Notes:
* While the character reads qi in the both first and the second example, it refers to a different energy. Doctors know only the post heaven energy - houtian, while Taoists practise with pre-heaven one - xiantian... Therefore, doctors don not understand what is contained in the kidneys, mistakenly writing 元氣. Ming and the primordial qi (the Taoist one) are the same.
Xiantian – pre-heaven, given before birth and can’t be changed in the direction of the increasing by the ordinary man. Houtian – post heaven, the energy that "feeds" a man after the birth: food, water, air, external qi ... a lot of things, but the main thing is that it can’t replace the pre-heaven energy...
Ming is not located exactly in the kidneys but is closely tied to them, as the system of the kidneys is a a part of a reproducing- discharging system of the human body, so the kidneys spend their energy directly for the purpose of reproducing...

Dorian can you tell us more about this yuan chi?

 

Thanks in advance

[Vmarco]

Ascension is not that complicated,...it is merely the reverse of the descension. The descension on the other hand is very complex,...and not very easy to let go of.

[puretruth01]

Check this out came across this while doing some research.

 

"When researching martial arts there are many potential lines of comparison: historical data, terminology, poetry (Kuen Kuit), postural structure, and numerous other aspects. None, however, are as important as the Process of Cultivation with regards to Ging/Chi. In the study of Kung Fu (or any sport) we must first strengthen the body or begin its developmental training. Similar ideas can be found in Wing Chun. Among the late Grandmaster Yuen Kay-San’s early written notes is: “Sum Jing Hei Cheung Lao – quiet the heart and conserve the Chi/Breath.” One of the boxing maxims espoused by the late Grandmaster Yip Man: “externally train the tendons/sinews and internally train one Chi/Breath.” In Koo Lo village art of the late Grandmaster Leung Jan, it is recorded: “Lik Yiu Noi Gong / your power must be internal”. These references allude to a specific cultivation platform in Wing Chun.
Significantly different from the Hard Bow methods of the so-called South Fist arts, the Wing Chun cultivation process follows the road of Rou Jing (within soft carries hard). The training of the tendons, sinews, joints, meridians, and sinking of the chi to the dan tien follow a different model than those who develop the body through forced “Hard” Gong methods such as Hung Gar’s Tiet Sien (Iron Wire) or the Tiet Saam (Iron Shirt) of other arts. The Chuk (speedy), Keng (shock), Duen (short), Chuen (inch) Ging are all terms used to describe Wing Chun’s signature power. This sort of specific force is not produced via un-natural breathing and Hardening but through the road of soft.

The root of Wing Chun is Siu Lin Tao (training of the little details) set and the root of the other common arts of its region is Som Chin (Three Battles) or Som Bo Jin (Three Step Arrow). These certainly represent two different types of Base Cultivation and most certainly different forms of “Ging/Qi” cultivation. Grandmaster Fu Wei Zong said: “just as there are different Precious Stones there is different qualities of Chi. Emei uses High Quality Qi.”

The most famous description of the Wing Chun Kuen art reads: “Wing Chun Kuen is characterized by its ‘narrow’ horse and ‘short’ bridge.” The Yee Jee Kim Yeung Ma (character “=” clamping the “yang” meridian horse) and the Emei “=” shoulder Wuji (empty) horse both are designed to cultivate the Zheng Qi (True/Proper Chi) and both follow the same Yin/Yang relationship of sinking of the Yin and raising or supporting of the Yang (as in Yee Jee Kim “Yang” Ma). It is also interesting to note that in the alchemy traditions of the art."

 

 

This was quoted from here

 

http://www.w1ng.com/mystery-of-the-snake-and-crane-emei-connection/http://www.w1ng.com/mystery-of-the-snake-and-crane-emei-connection/

Edited April 22, 2013 by puretruth01