Ascension thru inner power

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"Basically what is going on is that in response to combination of physical and mental actions primarily centered on the lower abdomen the ZhenQi 真气 "true/real qi" which is generated and then stored in the DanTian after long practice is "activated", and an application of the Yi 意 "intention" is used to guide or lead (as in the expression DaoYin 导引 "guiding & leading") this qi out of the DanTian, through the channels of my body-mind, into the body-mind of another person, and then finally back into my own DanTian (to the greatest degree possible, at my level the vast majority is lost in the process)."

Quoted from here: http://yijinjing.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=19#ixzz2RDIc0C1m

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"In Tai Chi practice, the practitioner uses the mind to direct Qi and Qi to direct movement. Motion arises from stillness (Wu Ji); Tai Chi is characterized by smooth flowing dance-like motion united with Qi Gong, concentration of the mind and the practical application of internal Kung Fu. Seeking stillness in motion and practicing with a high degree of concentration balances the inner and outer and the practitioner reaches into the stage of void: man united with heaven.

Pre-heaven Qi (Yuan Qi) is created from Wu Ji. Tai Chi's fluid, harmonious, meditative movements train Yin and Yang, and bring balance to the two kinds of inner Qi. Tai Chi allows us to reach balance and gentleness. Under a good teacher's guidance the practitioner can generate Yuan Qi in the Dan Tien. Through sitting and standing meditation techniques, and cooperative Tai Chi movement, the Qi can be cultivated into motion. You can improve the quality and quantity of Yuan Qi and its explosive power (Jing), balance Yin and Yang and, further, establish the internal foundation for Tai Chi sparring and push hands through the practice of Tai Chi."

 

Quoted from here http://www.wudangtao.com/content/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=105:tai-chi-internals&catid=53:tai-chi&Itemid=74

Edited April 22, 2013 by puretruth01

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"Wu Ji and Taiji training will produce enough Yuan Qi to balance its power.

The first two stages of training, Wu Ji and Taiji, allow the practitioner to produce enough Yuan Qi to balance their internal power and improve their Qi quality, smooth the meridian channels and produce explosive power: Hun Yuan Jing. Once the practitioner has mastered these two stages they are ready to advance to the third stage to train Jing for use in application. This stage of training is called Push Hands.

Through at least ten years of push hands training (single hand, double hand motion or static push hands), the practitioner trains to listen for Jing, yielding to Jing, and to emit Jing. You will be able to hear the opponent's intention at any moment, feeling your opponent's pathway of Qi, directing the opponent's Jing's landing point. This enables the practitioner to overcome motion from stillness. Softness overcomes hardness, applying four ounces to overcome a thousand pounds.

After practicing push hands to maturity, the practitioner can use Jing by subconscious free will. He can achieve a level of integration of hands, eyes, steady mind, body and footwork; and can apply it to Taiji freehand sparring. This is the advanced level of Taiji practice and requires over 20 years of practice. That is why we say that you don't know Taiji if you only have ten years experience. You know a little bit if you have 20 years experience. Only then can you say that you know Taiji. To learn Taiji push hands requires an experienced master instructor."

 

Quoted from here https://www.wudangsanfengpai.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=113:push-hands-and-sparring&catid=71:taiji&Itemid=119

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"What is "Tai-Chi" (太極)? Literally Tai-Chi means the grand terminus and actually it is referred by ancient Taoists as the grand principle of life. Ancient Taoists believed that life is a continuous process of Yin and Yang; Yin is the "substance," and Yang is the "appearance" of the substance; Yuan-Qi (元氣) is the primeval energy that moves the process. When Yuan-Qi passes through the "substance," it shines. In Chinese language, the shining (the "appearance") is called "Sheng" (生), which is the acknowledgment of mind; the "substance" that Sheng attached to is called "Ming" (命), which is the physical body. Collectively, "Sheng-Ming" (生命) is thus become the whole spectrum of existence known as "life." When Yuan-Qi is gone, the substance "fades" away. Is the substance gone as well? No one would know, for there is no Yuan-Qi, there is no way to detect the substance. However, when the Yuan-Qi is still flowing, life retains all its potentials. As life is the illumination of Yuan-Qi, life won't see its own death. The theory of Yin-Yang leads life to a bizarre but fascinating existence-the "eternal now." To see life as "eternal now" is difficult if not impossible. However, Tai-Chi practice shows the Way.

Ancient Taoists were practical people; they did not grieve over the "fading" of the substance but cherished the "shining" of life. Wishing to enjoy life longer and maximizing all the life's potentials, ancient Taoists devised a way called "Dao-Yin" (導引) to tap the energy of Yuan-Qi, and developed Tai-Chi practice. Tai-Chi practice is a discipline that studies Dao-Yin and the harmony of Yin and Yang for the purpose of reaching a serene existence with the true nature-where Sheng-Ming shines. Sheng is Yang, and Ming is Yin. As Sheng reflects as mind and Ming manifests as body, a unified mind and body shows not just a joyful life but also the harmonized Yin and Yang. The harmonized Yin and Yang is Unism (一元)-the realm of One. It is with such a unified mind and body, Tai-Chi practice transcends the physical world into Unism. In Unism, mind "thinks," body "moves" spontaneously. In such spontaneity, there is no time lapsed between the perception of mind and the action of the body. No "time" thus no "space," no "space" thus no body, no body thus no mind, life is only the rhythm of the Unism. For there is no "time" in Unism, there is only "eternal now." Tai-Chi practice has shown the Way to eternity.

To tap the energy of Yuan-Qi, the Way of Dao-Yin is to channel Qi. A common misconception is to think that Qi is air; however, air is only one "appearance" of Qi, the "substance" of Qi is pressure. Principally depicting any thing that moves, Qi in modern term is more like "fluid dynamics." Qi is originated in Yuan-Qi. Through breathing, Yuan-Qi enters one's body and manifests as Qi; Yuan-Qi is also known as "pre-birth" (先天之氣) Qi; Qi inside one's body is known as "after-birth" (後天之氣) Qi. If the movement of the "after-birth" Qi, or simply Qi, is sluggish or uneven, it'll be in the way and collides with Yuan-Qi, thus reduces the effectiveness of Yuan-Qi. If the movement of Qi is too fast, it'll be burned out before it can be rejuvenated by Yuan-Qi. Thus Dao-Yin is to coordinate the breathing and the body movements to channel Qi through the body ahead of Yuan-Qi thus provides Yuan-Qi a least resistant passage to fill the body. When the body is filled with Yuan-Qi, it becomes lively. Dao-Yin does enhance life; longevity is only a by-product."

 

Quoted from here http://www.taomartialarts.com/tji/tji_shentaichi.html

Edited April 22, 2013 by puretruth01

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In Chinese tradition “the battery” is called MING 命, translated as life or destiny. (“How much stamina one has?”). So, this Ming - battery otherwise known as yuanqi 元氣 in traditional Chinese medicine, but in Taoism a different character is used 元炁 - the primordial qi*.

 

 

 

 

Alchemy and immortality is to share in the destiny of virtue. - Remember this

 

I know out of all that i said that people will only remember what they find important to them at that time. In this way and many others the tao is perfect.

Edited April 22, 2013 by puretruth01

[puretruth01]

This Yuan chi is beyond yin and yang for it came before yin and yang. It is the power the life force that spread to the inner and outer to balance yin and yang. its representative on this planet in the elements is air.- Understand

 

The wuji or original chi methods of chi is the way to go. So if you are searching look for something like this that goes deep into its training.

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The other side of Yuan chi is destiny. It is the destiny of the original virtue to exist forever just like it always has. So you connect to it and share its destiny.

 

[puretruth01]

 

Why do people die?

What is the essence of Taoist alchemy?

Xing and Ming. Fusion of soul XING with energy MING

Why do people die, if they have no diseases? Old age is the reason, you may say. But why does this old age come, what is the mechanism of it? A man grows old and dies because he is spending his vital energy. It's like a battery in a toy, when the battery is new – the toy car runs, but when the battery has run out – the toy car stops...And what kind of "battery" is it? It is something that is located in the area of the abdomen in the human body (compare stomach and stamina).

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n Chinese tradition “the battery” is called MING 命, translated as life or destiny. (“How much stamina one has?”). So, this Ming - battery otherwise known as yuanqi 元氣 in traditional Chinese medicine, but in Taoism a different character is used 元炁 - the primordial qi*.

It is getting spent. And when it ends, then a "kind" man with a scythe comes.

Ming is a tangible real substance and it can be felt, given a perfected sensitivity. Ming can be replenished only by mastering the since Taoist alchemy (just to emphasize that, according to the records of our school, some other traditions also posses such an essentially identical method, ). Note that to "Die" in Chinese is written emphatically: 失命 i.e. LOST MING.

But apart from Ming there is still another substance. It is located in the chest, and any other spiritual schools strive to perfect it. All of them base their teachings on it. It is called XING 性, which is translated as nature, the nature of the heart. In Chinese it is also called 心性 XIN XING or 本性 BEN XING. All the many methods of meditations and praying, stopping the internal dialogue, etc appeal to this. The mechanism is simple in theory - it is necessary to reduce the vibrations, to remove the waves and gradually reach a full peace. If you will perfect at this even further, then you will go into a stable peace, the breath will go away, the heart will almost stop beating and A Yin spirit YINSHEN will be able to leave of the body. This is what actually called enlightenment in the late Chan Buddhism. In addition, this work may lead to the improvement of specific abilities. This spirit is something that in many cultures is called a ghost. This spirit is identical to the soul that leaves the body at death – which is also called YINSHEN.

However, in contrast to the dying person, the spirit of the practitioner is connected to the body. When this out of the body experience happens, and then the spirit returns to the body, there are the certain signs which indicate that it did really happen. However many modern practitioners do not get out of the body, and with closed eyes travel in their fantasies. And that is a different phenomenon.

All religions and the latest doctrines hope for such an out of body experience, hence the attention to MORALITY is so strong. Control the passions - that's their main slogan.

If such a practitioner has not reached the mastery, he, at his death like all the dead souls, will go to a worser world (hell - in Christian terminology). After death the life memories of an ordinary person is not preserved, but the memories of a person, who has attained perfection at YINSHEN, will be preserved. But he can’t do anything with it and he can’t be reborn as a human being again. The teacher for him can only be another Yin spirit, i.e. another being from the lower worlds. The upper worlds are closed for the YINSHEN.

Xing and Ming are the separated parts of the primordial Unity. If Xing is a Yin part, then Ming is a Yang part. The YIN spirit (i.e. Xing) is inert and has no energy, and therefore he can’t rise to higher worlds. He needs energy similarly to a rocket needing fuel for the takeoff. Using only the meditation and any methods tied to Xing only changes the Yin'S characteristics, but makes no qualitative change.

The ancient Taoist tradition (and with it those that I have already mentioned) uses the energy of Ming for fusion with Xing.Thus it turns these two into a Yang Spirit , also called a Tao fetus, who has the real potential and can move to higher worlds. So it is the Fusion of the energy Ming with the soul Xing that is the essence of alchemy.

Thus, the goal of alchemy - to fuse the soul Xing with the energy Ming and creating a yang Spirit – a Tao fetus,

who has the real potential and can move to higher worlds.

How to perfect Xing you can understand by yourself or from the books, but how to perfect Ming you can get only in oral precepts of your Teacher. And important question is: Why it is so? Because of the fact that the secret of Ming is the secret of Life and Death! In carrying out the practice Ming the person violates a natural law (remember the saying "studying from the nature"). This law establishes that an ordinary person SHOULD BE BORN, GROW, LEAVE OR NO AFTER HIMSELF HIS PROGENY AND HIS ACTIONS, THEN GROW OLD AND DIE. Recall the Taoist phrase: "My destiny (MING!) is inside me, it is not from Heaven!" That is, a Taoist does not follow “the Nature", but instead overcomes it and goes against it.

The method passed on by a Teacher is not so complicated,

so everyone can change their destiny - Ming.

You do not need a special morality, you just need hard work and persistence. An ordinary person, even talented, does not have enough time to do too much of anything – whether good or evil. At childhood and at youth there are a lot of unconscious, automatic behavior. At maturity, when you just started to get your strength, the diseases and decline start to kick in. When a person reaches the top of his comprehensions of the meaning of life, ironically there is no longer the strength to do something.

As well said by Zhang Boduan: "Human life is so much as bubble on the water; yesterday one was on a horse, and now the corpse lies in the coffin, immersed in a death dream". "Remember the Death" – is one of the principles of ancient traditions. And now you can change your destiny, prolong life. What does this mean for mankind? Is this possible without responsibility?

So, why Xing can be understood by yourself or from books? Because the mind works rather manifestly, if we just watch it, we can understand that it is useful not to be overly emotional; the calm mind brings feelings of purity and reinvigoration, etc. If you go further, you can even bring out your own spirit from the body (Yin of course). However, it should be done carefully, because if a person is weak, the spirit will not return to the body and a death will occur. Therefore, you can learn it by yourself or from the books.

As for Ming, then the person can’t understand anything. He could only feel the difference between a young age and the old one etc, but it is difficult to determine whether the energy flows out, or comes in. To see all of these processes clearly you need to be already a being with the cosmic level of thinking. Every second of life staying in the illusion of a permanence, we actually run on an invisible treadmill. What happens to the Universe, how are the energies change, who does understand this now? I.e. to replenish the Ming a new you should be able to change with the cosmos, picking what assists to this task and rejecting anything else. This is the doctrine of changes of the ancient Chinese. How can modern people understand that, living by a bland clock hours and practicing in accordingly? At any modern qigong you will hear that the time and space do not matter, that your practice of qigong helps you “go beyond the natural laws”. And this is said about ordinary people who are can’t even get rid of the laws of heat and cold, food and hunger, but presume to “get rid of the influence of the Cosmos”!

So then the modern person has no alternative, but to seek a direct transmission of knowledge , which stems from the time, when the mankind have a clear understanding of cosmic laws. Of course, we can assume that a genius who can understand these law without could be born. But such an extraordinary person will not need anything at all from this world let alone a transmission. On the other hand there exist fake methods invented by ordinary people, these methods are usually only a projection of their mind and have nothing to do with the laws of Cosmos. Here is an example: Did Someone deciphered the Yi Jing? I think the answer is obvious.

Hence stem here need for the personal transmission. In this case firstly there will be no distortions, and secondly there will be personalized training for each person. Thirdly, in order to avoid deviations the practice will be done under the oversight of Teacher (and not like today, in stadiums, where participants do anything they want). Also, a ritual of accepting a student is a promise by the Teacher to be personally responsible for his student, to vouch for him, including with teachers own destiny...

 

古圣有言曰命由性修 性由命立 命者炁也性者神也炁 则本不离神神则有时 离炁

Ancient sages said:

Ming is perfected starting from Xing. Because you need the true spiritual condition to find your Teacher and then to practise, i.e. you need the correct state of mind while practicing.

Xing is established starting from Ming. Without repleniching and perfecting of Ming the true spiritual work is impossible.

Qi is inherently inseparable from the Shen (the spirit). If qi ever comes apart from shen, there will be an instant death. So while the person is alive they are inseparable. (This refers to the out of body experiences of the spirit when qi remains in the body)

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Notes:

* While the character reads qi in the both first and the second example, it refers to a different energy. Doctors know only the post heaven energy - houtian, while Taoists practise with pre-heaven one - xiantian... Therefore, doctors don not understand what is contained in the kidneys, mistakenly writing 元氣. Ming and the primordial qi (the Taoist one) are the same.

Xiantian – pre-heaven, given before birth and can’t be changed in the direction of the increasing by the ordinary man. Houtian – post heaven, the energy that "feeds" a man after the birth: food, water, air, external qi ... a lot of things,

but the main thing is that it can’t replace the pre-heaven energy...

Ming is not located exactly in the kidneys but is closely tied to them, as the system of the kidneys is a a part of a reproducing- discharging system of the human body, so the kidneys spend their energy directly for the purpose of reproducing...

 

 

TempleTao,

 

Now that ive done my own research and know what the yuanqi or the original energy is that you posted about. I just want to thank you for writing so much on it. What you wrote was very interesting from a first hand experience and what it was like to attain it. I cant believe someone actually wrote about this online and in such detail!!

 

Thank you for starting this thread and spelling out what the original energy really is. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction.

Edited April 22, 2013 by puretruth01

[h.uriahr]

TempleTao,

 

Now that ive done my own research and know what the yuanqi or the original energy is that you posted about. I just want to thank you for writing so much on it. What you wrote was very interesting from a first hand experience and what it was like to attain it. I cant believe someone actually wrote about this online and in such detail!!

 

Thank you for starting this thread and spelling out what the original energy really is. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction.

 

Hey PT01,

 

Hey buddy I hate to be the barer of bad news but your boy TT is serving time up state in the TB State Penitentiary. I here his charges are bullshit but what do you? You've got one guy in lock up while another guy walks the streets free to suck the jing out of whoever he wants whenever he wants!!!

[puretruth01]

MPWAY,

 

Yeah i notied he was no longer here. So my question is has anyone else got this attainment that TT talked about?

 

 

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n Chinese tradition “the battery” is called

MING 命, translated as life or destiny

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(“How much stamina one has?”). So, this Ming -

battery otherwise known as yuanqi 元氣

in traditional Chinese medicine, but in Taoism a different character is used 元炁 - the primordial qi*.

 

 

 

Years later i was doing seated meditation. Then all of a sudden everything went black then bright white and it switch back and forth really fast for a while. Then i i felt this explosion in the ldt and then i felt really powerful jolts start to come from my ldt and then then this vibration went thru my whole body. it felt like there was a little pill in my ldt. When i body up to do moving meditation i felt sparks of energy come off of my forearm and from that time when i focus on my ldt its goes brrrm. i could bust a nut and it would still be there..this new attainment was thing else and competely different then what i experienced in the past.

 

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Edited April 24, 2013 by puretruth01

[puretruth01]

The goal for all true Taoists is ming, Illumination or Enlightenment, or wu-wei chih-Tao, “the non-striving Way of Transcendence,” and a life of healing and blessing sentient beings with the power (te) of Tao.

This is quoted from here

 

http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Taoism.html

 

Seems that this echoed by all true practitioners.

[puretruth01]

Quoted from here http://silenttao.com/2010/03/cultivating-xing-and-ming/

 

 

Chinese Internal Alchemy, or Nei Dan, aims to cultivate both Xing and Ming. Xing can be roughly translated as “Essential Nature” and Ming as “Eternal Life.” By essential nature, the Chinese are referring to the spiritual aspects of your being. When you cultivate Xing, you take out emotional garbage and refine your very spirit. We might call it real wisdom in the west.

Eternal Life refers in large part to the major techniques you use in cultivation to accumulate and refine energy. This is the source of your personal power. Examples of Ming include life nourishing and longevity exercises (Yang Shen), internal Kung Fu (Nei Jia Quan), medical Qigong, Feng Shui, etc.

[puretruth01]

Quoted from here http://www.ichikung.com/html/dantians.php

 

 

In ancient China, the concept of an individual's Virtue (De) and his or her Destiny (Ming) were closely connected. Destiny (associated with the Yuan Jing, Chi (Qi) and Shen) was given by Heaven at birth and stored away in the individual's Mingmen area between the Kidneys. The individual's Ming becomes the spark of life and the dynamic potential existing behind his or her thoughts and actions. Although the subtle impulses emanating from the individual's Ming are generally hidden from the conscious mind, through Meditations a deeper realm of understanding can be intuitively discovered and accessed.

[puretruth01]

In ancient China, the concept of an individual's Virtue (De) and his or her Destiny (Ming) were closely connected. Destiny (associated with the Yuan Jing, Chi (Qi) and Shen) was given by Heaven at birth and stored away in the individual's Mingmen area between the Kidneys. The individual's Ming becomes the spark of life and the dynamic potential existing behind his or her thoughts and actions. Although the subtle impulses emanating from the individual's Ming are generally hidden from the conscious mind, through Meditations a deeper realm of understanding can be intuitively discovered and accessed.

So what i understand from this to be true. Is that if you work with heavenly chi this will cultivate the shen more quickly, strengthen the jing and thus the chi, leading to restoring the original spark of life and the awareness of. Once awakened can be accessed from that point.

 

All taoist alchemy is actually about the transformation of the shen. The restoring of the original power/destiny given to you by heaven. is just part of the alchemy process of the shen.

[puretruth01]

Alchemy is not about condensing chi and vibrating it or generating fields or internal power.

 

Its about being made whole.

[puretruth01]

If there is no shen cultivation then there is no alchemy.

 

The ever awakening shen is the alchemical agent.

 

Remember this.

 

Bringing awareness and spirit to forgotten parts of your self and unknotting them awakening them.

 

Restoring the original power of heaven in you so your original signal is strong enough so you communicate your essence with the 9 constellations more easily and be free from their influence.

Edited June 13, 2013 by puretruth01

[puretruth01]

Letting go to all that ties you to the earth...

 

Transforming the body into pure radiant spirit and ascending to the 9th level of heaven on a ray of light isnt easy.

 

Takes dedication to the path.

[puretruth01]

But know this in the end virtue will find you. It will either purge you by the fire of your desire to burn away the impurties so you hit rock bottom and to make the light of virtue obvious and brighter or for others the choice to go to it will manifest out of the blue like lightning.

 

-Understand

[puretruth01]

I saw this being talked about in another thread so id like to address it here because its related to the OP of this thread.

 

Pre Heaven and Post Heaven chi and the MCO

 

Preheaven chi is the chi that came from the tao/heaven when you were forming in your mom's womb. This heaven essence gave birth to your water essence. Then you started to take form via the mco route first your spine then your head then down to your legs and so on.

 

It is the power of heaven that created you.

 

Post heaven chi is human heavenly chi. Or the heaven chi of the human being.

 

Now for the taoist or cultivator post heaven chi is not attained until it is restored in the ldt.

 

When the power of heaven is restored in the ldt it will circulate in all circulations that were used to create you. Then tru alchemy can take place. The original power or Zhen Qi is spreading to every cell in your body healing you correcting you.

 

Now the practices that do the mco before this happens is doing so in an attempt to awaken the shen

 

When you do normal breathing the path of the mco is reversed.

 

When you do reverse breathing the mco flows up the spine and down the front.

 

Now cultivators try to conserve their water essence and circulate the mco in a attempt to recreate the prebirth conditions to awaken the the shen so this awakened shen can activate the power of heaven in the body.

 

Only the awakened shen can awaken what you were unaware or lost touch of.

 

If the alchemy has no transformation of the shen then it is not spiritual alchemy.

 

the awakened spirit is the true agent of change.

 

The awakened shen cultivates all 3 dantians.

Edited June 16, 2013 by puretruth01

[Wu Ming Jen]

The true art of internal alchemy is not lost. Thank you prue truth for sharing and providing corrections to those on a false path and seeking "power".I am from the Wudang sect and from your post it seems we may be Kung Fu brothers.

[h.uriahr]

Far from lost brother.

 

Temple Style Tai Chi can do it.

The Doo arts seem like they can do it.

KAP sounds like it can do it.

The Jesus Prayer-which I still do, has been doing some awesome things

 

The art doesn't get lost..the practitioner gets lost

[Vmarco]

My point in starting this topic is to help anyone who is unsure about this subject matter.

 

I have to get that demon out of your ear and help those find a path that leads to ascension(those who have ears to hear let them hear)

 

Also to prevent them for paying hundreds of dollars for something that doesnt lead to a high attainment.

 

This is to go into higher and higher levels of virtue and to continue up the ascension path.

 

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Yes,...many are into that mystical stuff,...perhaps it's a way to become prepared or something for a presumed next lifetime. But what if we only have one? Sure, our subjective imaginings love mystic lore, like striving for virtue, but has any virtuous person ever honestly ascended? No where that I've ever seen.

 

It's not all that complicated,...ascension is the reverse of descension. To ascend means to move in a direction towards ascension, not descension. It means letting go of all the ideas of descension

 

Look at virtue,...most agree that means a conformity to a standard of right,...it's synonym is morality. What is morality?

 

A Buddhist said,

"Morality can only be imposed from without when we are asleep. Morality is nothing but a deep suppression. We can not do anything while asleep,...we can only suppress. Through morality we become false,...we will not be a person, but simply a just a pseudo entity. That is to say, only a dishonest person clings to morality.

 

A moral person is concerned with ideals,...how we should be, what we should be, how to be convenient to society,...and thus inconvenient to ourself.

 

The preachers have convinced the whole world that "we are sinners". This is good for them, because unless we are convinced, their profession cannot continue. Religion is built on us being sinners, on our inferiority complex, thus creating an inferior humanity.

 

Love is not concerned with our so-called morals, our social formalities, etc. Love is neither concerned with immorality, it makes no difference between a thief and a saint. Immorality comes from the disturbed mind of morality. Love is amoral. Morality and concepts concerning moral behavior are irrelevant for love.

 

Morality is basically condemning. We are never the ideal so we are condemned. Every morality is guilt-creating. Love does not condemn.

 

Of necessity, every morality creates hypocracy. Hypocracy will remain with morality, for it is part of it, like a shadow. This will look paradoxical because moralists are the men who condemn hypocracy the most, and yet they are the creators of it.

 

Hypocracy cannot disappear from the earth unless morality disappears. They exist together as two sides of the same coin. Morality gives us the ideal and we are not the idea; that is why the ideal is given to us. Then we start feeling that we are wrong, and that this wrongness is natural, it is given to us, we are born with it, born with sin. We cannot transform it, only suppress it,...that is easy.

 

But what can we do. We can create a false face; we can pretend to be something we are not. This saves us; allows religion to save us. Then we can move more easily and conveniently in society. Inwardly we have to suppress the real because the unreal can only be imposed only if the real is suppressed. So our reality goes on moving downward into the unconscious and our unreality becomes our conscious. Our unreal part becomes more dominant and the real recedes back.

 

We condemn the real and we enforce the unreal, because the unreal is going to be helpful in an unreal society and the unreal is going to be convenient. Where everyone is false, the real is not going to be convenient. And thus, in the vicious cycle, we train our children to be false."

 

If you want to ascend,...let go of the children of the descension, like morality.

Edited June 17, 2013 by Vmarco

[Wu Ming Jen]

Far from lost brother. Temple Style Tai Chi can do it. The Doo arts seem like they can do it. KAP sounds like it can do it. The Jesus Prayer-which I still do, has been doing some awesome things The art doesn't get lost..the practitioner gets lost

I have never heard of temple style Tai Chi or so called tai chi tao and I hear alot about Mo Pai on this site giving out misinformation. It is refreshing that true authentic lineages are intact.The students lost are those without the guidance of masters. You can learn all kinds of outside movements but when it comes to alchemy on Wudang it is only taught by transmission from Master to disciple and most students don't even make it that far in training, there is no chance of becoming lost or confused.

 

If you read and have no teacher Key words are a secret code and symbolic. what is experienced brings the words alive not the other way around.

[healingtouch]

This in reply to Vmarco

And yet, even this statement is full of contradictions, as it pushes onto us love as the ideal. Keep in mind that love is an emotion, an emotion that can wax and wane, just like the moon which governs it.. Imagine if your life was governed only by the emotion of love, one day your rent would cost you $100 and the next $2000, depending how much love the landlord felt for you. Hence why religion, Taoism being one of them, came in, brought in ethics and taught people that conditioned yin, indulging in emotion and giving free rein to desires, is "denying humanity" (The Taoist Iching - Thomas Cleary) and that certain standards ie. ideals, of behavior are necessary.

Now one might argue that love is not an emotion, and is a constant state of oneness, and if that Buddhist speaks of the love that saints attain for all created, again it is an ideal that only a few would be able to live up, meaning, ironically, a society based on hypocrisy where everyone would feel obliged to act like a saint.

Edited June 17, 2013 by healingtouch

[Vmarco]

This in reply to Vmarco

 

And yet, even this statement is full of contradictions, as it pushes onto us love as the ideal. Keep in mind that love is an emotion, an emotion that can wax and wane, just like the moon which governs it.. Imagine if your life was governed only by the emotion of love,

 

A caterpillar understands love differently than a butterfly. To caterpillars, love is associated with emotions, and has the opposite of hate,...for butterflies, love does not have an opposite.

 

Christians say, "love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things", 1 Cor 13:7. Although this form of love, that is, bearing, believing, hoping and enduring is idealized by Christians, it isn't Unconditional Love, but the submission, devotion, expectation and suffering to the conditions of their religions brewed beliefs.

 

My impression of the Buddhist quote in my previous post, is that it was pointing to a love beyond duality's groupthink. In the Buddhists argument, a Christian could not possibly experience real love,...only a perceived love within duality.

 

Passionate or emotional love, is another type of conditional love. This is the love of solicitudal desire and enthralled obsession. Such love is usually, but not necessarily, accompanied by biological, chemical or instinctual love, which manifests a yearning for the welfare, possession and companionship of another. Ordinarily, emotional love is based on something received through physiological or psychological arousal, and commonly includes, as in Christian love, an attached expectation.

 

Then there is the amoral intimacy of Conscious Love. This is the Love of the Bodhisattva; the wish for the well being and liberation of all; without predisposition, and indifferent towards the consequences to the lover. In other words, as Alfred Orage said, "so she becomes perfectly herself, what matter I?"

 

The fragrance of love is as a tremendum uncovered by surrendering expectation, and through that immediacy, one witnesses a grand preferenceless reality. A reality of Love's own flow; unveiled of what belief and predisposition think it should be. That is to say,...as long as one clings to expectations for their identity, they will not experience non-dual love.