eye_of_the_storm Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) I believe all things can be attained through ones own ability/ determination - and should be ultimately One of my interests is with entheogens having profound beneficial effects on a persons psyche / especially people with debilitating psychological problems - helping people to see clearly breaking addictive / habitual behavior I have looked into such things... eg: Iboga and the many reported cases of breaking/freeing, the reset of ones mind in one use... people addicted to all forms of opiates etc. It is sad to see people suffering so for half a life or more when these plants can mend such things in 24 hours. I was watching a documentary regarding people with Body Dysmorphic Disorder These people hate themselves/ their image and become very self destructive... I just wonder what an Iboga ceremony or the like could do for these people. /// Now in terms of pure spiritual pursuits a few here have described more or less life changing experiences... This womans account I found quite beautiful Edited November 23, 2012 by White Wolf Running On Air Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydog Posted November 23, 2012 sinan and recep. in what way are you doing justice to Wolf's thread? I would like a clear explanation of who is satan and what is he up to, with references included from respected sources so that I know it isnt just hearsay. thx. satan is a cool guy, you know how the bad guys are always cool and stuff..lol I am ashamed to ask. How do you do that? You are making me ashamed of being turkish 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eye_of_the_storm Posted November 23, 2012 I know this isnt a new topic but meh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isimsiz Biri Posted November 23, 2012 satan is a cool guy, you know how the bad guys are always cool and stuff..lol You are making me ashamed of being turkish Still ignored, sorry Cat 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydog Posted November 23, 2012 white wolf, if you want to experiment it usually wiser under the guide of a shaman, or sitter. Peyote, Iboga or ayuascha are safe if guided, what you see depends on whether the plant likes you, you should take it for a reason, not just to get high which I know your not, also these things are not to be taken in an addictive manner it is purely for growth reasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isimsiz Biri Posted November 23, 2012 I would like a clear explanation of who is satan and what is he up to, with references included from respected sources so that I know it isnt just hearsay. thx. You may refer to http://quran.com/7 Especially, ayah no 11-30 in the 7. Surah (Al Araf) of Holy Quran By the way, I am warning everybody to be respectful to Holy Quran. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
et-thoughts Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) . Edited December 11, 2012 by et-thoughts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eye_of_the_storm Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) white wolf, if you want to experiment it usually wiser under the guide of a shaman, or sitter. Peyote, Iboga or ayuascha are safe if guided, what you see depends on whether the plant likes you, you should take it for a reason, not just to get high which I know your not, also these things are not to be taken in an addictive manner it is purely for growth reasons. To be straight I am not really looking for such things... if they cross my path/ if I flow into it maybe At present I am really interested in a comparative between expanded awareness through meditation... I think they call this the Royal Path and the path through entheogens / if people have experienced both... or if a person through meditation or the like can speak of similar experiences to this lady I assume it is called the Royal Path because you own it 100% whereas insight gained through plants etc has a time limit etc... and I am not sure if you can... Similar to the idea of giving a man a fish vs teaching a man how to fish Edited November 23, 2012 by White Wolf Running On Air Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eye_of_the_storm Posted November 23, 2012 Perhaps I am just distracting myself maybe I should spend less time asking questions and more time practicing? haha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydog Posted November 23, 2012 well from taking peyote I stopped drinking alchohol, I started again for a tiny bit after feeling upset over a girl but a couple of times later fully stopped for a year...Also I saw other dimensions and really had zero fear of death, millions of epiphanies, if you have a desire in it, it is probably coming from somewhere following the wu wei you are the universe, whether you do it or not is what is meant to be Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flolfolil Posted November 23, 2012 i find dxm to be more useful in quick-advancing my path. it is like adding years of practice to your meditation experience. Like see through your eyelids type stuff, enough to count fingers held in front of your face. All worry drops away easily the second i begin to sit, and i forget my body within 5 minutes if that is my goal. If extracted from the raw material, i hear it is around as dangerous as a night of drinking. It certainly feels about that damaging on a personal experience level but you never know. That said, while i like lsd, it is very damaging to my nerves. i find myself twitching for up to a week afterwards and my general energy levels are down. i also feel greasy all over. Most of the good i get out of trips comes from being paranoid into an introspective corner, and i haven't really felt the lsd-unity talked about it this video while i have definitely felt it on dxm. i can't force my brain to be negative on dxm, it just can't happen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
et-thoughts Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) . Edited December 11, 2012 by et-thoughts 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eye_of_the_storm Posted November 23, 2012 ^ ha very true Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
三江源 Posted November 23, 2012 I found hallucinogenics took me straight to disidentification with 'me'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eye_of_the_storm Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) It would be interesting to understand why me exists where does it come from / its purpose etc the idea in terms of 'spirituality' appears to be disidentification with 'me' Why is that/ what purpose..? Is it the whole way or half the way or? Or kind of like the flower doesnt think it is a flower it just is a flower? haha Perhaps less conflict with the self... if there is no self to be in conflict with Or maybe it is like Imagine the space inside and outside of a vase... now let the vase disappear Edited November 23, 2012 by White Wolf Running On Air Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Audiohealing Posted November 23, 2012 Where did you get this information? That is some pretty serious nonsense you are saying. Your name is not White Wolf Running On The Air, you did not even start this thread. Just shut up In Asian Shamanism especially in Turkish and Mongol Shamanic practices, psychedelics are never used. South and Central American Native Shamanism mainly uses them but this is an evil, satanic method. The reason is quite simple. There are chakras in our physical bodies as well as in our astral bodies. In Sufism, we call chakras of astral bodies as lataifs but anyway I will still use the word chakra as it is convenient for Westerners. Such psychedelic substances open the chakras of astral body to the attack of Satan. For a certain period of time, Satan controls those astral chakras sometimes even for days after the substance are used. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
三江源 Posted November 23, 2012 It would be interesting to understand why me exists where does it come from / its purpose etc the idea in terms of 'spirituality' appears to be disidentification with 'me' Why is that/ what purpose..? Is it the whole way or half the way or? Or kind of like the flower doesnt think it is a flower it just is a flower? haha Perhaps less conflict with the self... if there is no self to be in conflict with its a great topic for a thread, wolf, and we have so many posters who could contribute in an enriching way. do you have a pp forum to start the thread so that you can declutter it from any posts that distract from helpful content? If not, I can start it inmy pp forum if you like and moderate it as we go along in case it descends into twittery. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eye_of_the_storm Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) If you like I don't know if I want to be bound by a personal practice forum / commitment issues? hahah Maybe it would be beneficial Ok Edited November 23, 2012 by White Wolf Running On Air Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
三江源 Posted November 23, 2012 being bound is wonderful way to cook. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isimsiz Biri Posted November 23, 2012 Recep Ivedik, on 23 November 2012 - 02:35 PM, said: In Asian Shamanism especially in Turkish and Mongol Shamanic practices, psychedelics are never used. South and Central American Native Shamanism mainly uses them but this is an evil, satanic method. The reason is quite simple. There are chakras in our physical bodies as well as in our astral bodies. In Sufism, we call chakras of astral bodies as lataifs but anyway I will still use the word chakra as it is convenient for Westerners. Such psychedelic substances open the chakras of astral body to the attack of Satan. For a certain period of time, Satan controls those astral chakras sometimes even for days after the substance are used. Where did you get this information? That is some pretty serious nonsense you are saying. Watch your mouth. You are not in a position to call my writings as nonsense. If you disagree, you say you disagree. You go and continue ejaculating to your spine. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
suninmyeyes Posted November 23, 2012 What if he doesnt feel to go and ejaculate into his spine, but instead decides to go shopping? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isimsiz Biri Posted November 23, 2012 What if he doesnt feel to go and ejaculate into his spine, but instead decides to go shopping? Sure he may go shopping. But to ejaculate into his spine is his favourite technique. Please refer to first post of : (http://thetaobums.com/topic/25322-had-a-rather-frightening-experience-yesterday/) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
suninmyeyes Posted November 23, 2012 Ah OK ,as long he is allowed to do whatever his mood or obligations command. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isimsiz Biri Posted November 23, 2012 Ah OK ,as long he is allowed to do whatever his mood or obligations command. As long as he shows respect to posts even he disagrees, he could do whatever he wants. My preference of course, is to stay way from my posts. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
