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Figured I'd split this off from the Real Magick posts and give it it's own thread. I am really hoping others will add to what I've written so far.

 

I'll be busy transcribing some of the copious notes I've taken on Western Astrology eventually. I've even pondered if there is a way I could arrange my notes, exercises, etc in such a way that one could use them as a "learn-by-doing" home-study course for fellow curious TTBs.

 

I've searched around on the web and everyone who teaches Western traditional astrology is asking for several hundred dollars to teach it :wacko: . Unfortunately I don't have that kind of money so I'm having to go the DIY route.

 

I will say this...western astrology has got to be one of the most mind-knumbingly complex subjects I've ever attempted to teach myself. I've had college courses that were many times easier than this. Sheesh...

 

Oh yeah...

 

Wait till I start posting notes (different thread) on how to do Western Geomancy (yeah...the western equivalent to Feng Shui). :)

 

 

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NOW...ON to the Transferred Notes from the other thread:

 

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This comes from some of my earliest notebooks while studying astrology, theurgy, etc.

Note: It helps to temporarily set aside Chinese 5 element theory while learning this and try to learn this system on it's own terms without interference from other concepts or systems.

 

 

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The following (If I recall correctly) was first proposed by Empedocles in the 5th century b.c.e and arranged in final form 150 years later by Aristotle.

 

 

The Primary Qualities (The active pole)

 

1. Hot = Electric

a. expansive

b. centrifugal

c. active

d. subtle

e. luminous

f. radiant

 

2. Cold = Magnetic

a. contractive

b. centripetal

c. static

d. dark

e. heavy

f. dense

 

 

Both of the above are the ACTIVE qualities

 

This is the ENERGY pole

 

The interplay of the 2 Active qualities gives rise to a new Pole.

 

The Passive Quality Pole.

 

These are:

 

3. Moist

a. fluid

b. cohesive

c. molds easily

d. adaptable

e. generated primarily from Cold

 

4. Dry

a. hardness

b. resistence

c. rigidity

e. generated primarily from Hot

 

The 2 Passive Qualities give rise to FORM

 

This is the FORM pole

 

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The interplay of the 4 poles (2 active, 2 passive - that is, energy + form) give rise to the 4 elements

 

 

Fire = Hot + Dry (non-molding)

 

Water = Cold + Moist (molding)

 

Air = Hot + Moist (molding)

 

Earth = Cold + Dry (non-molding)

 

In more modern terms we might say

 

Fire = Temperature

 

Water = Cohesion

 

Earth = Solidity

 

Air = Motion

 

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Properties of the Elements

 

Fire

a. masculine (yang)

b. electric

c. active

 

Water

a. feminine (yin)

b. magnetic

c. passive

 

Air

a. masculine (yang)

b. electric

c. active

 

Earth

a. feminine (yin)

b. magnetic

c. passive

 

 

And finally:

 

QUINTESSENCE

 

1. Quintessence is the common (transcendent) substrate or background/foundation (my note: non-dual unity?) of all the above four elements. Quintessence itself is not an element.

 

 

Big note on the prior:

 

The Elements are not "things" (except maybe nominally for language purposes). They are actually descriptions of the process of Change. That is...they are "phases" of change. Do not re-ify the elements. Hard to do (in my experience) so I find it helpful to remind myself constantly the Elements are describing phase changes, not "things" per say.

 

 

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Believe it or not the above I just listed is one of the most important foundations for beginning to understand the logic that was behind Western Astrology (and still is to those willing to suspend modern scientistic materialistic beliefs) and why it was considered one of the classical Hermetic Arts (co-equal with Theurgy and Inner Alchemy).

 

Hint to the above statement: "As above, so below". :)

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I would like to know what is the difference between polarity and duality? I once had a Straneglove-ian dream that loosely hinted that one can destroy almost anything in this world by shooting against its primary salt. And the best armour of defense is to keep your opposite salt in front. I don't really know what that means... but I guess that somehow it made sense to speak of it here.

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Fantastic article, Panda!

 

Thank you for sharing.

 

Its interesting how deep the Western Traditions go... Especially considering how few go there.

 

Peace.

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Going back through an old thread of mine. I've been pimping the following book lately but I think it's a very important Hermetic Tantric text and explains exactly why and how the above classification in Western Astrology evolved.

 

Check out Dion Fortune's The Cosmic Doctrine. Read the first three chapters. Then go back to my opening post and re-read that post in light of just what the first three chapters of Ms. Fortune's book is saying.  I'm beginning to think those canny old Greeks knew a thing or two about what Ms. Fortune's book talks about.

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Not sure if you have seen some of my stuff on this

 

here is a sample  ;

 

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Regarding western astrology ,  I felt the same as  you describe above , until I did a months long workshop one night a week that a friend put on ' learn to read your own chart  '    .... for free, mind you  ... all of our stuff was for free  .   WOW , did that make life easier  (and I mean that in BOTH ways   )

 

" I'm beginning to think those canny old Greeks knew a thing or two about what Ms. Fortune's book talks about.  "  or visa versa  ;)

 

 

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Thought I would share the following from Chris Warnock's Astrology newsgroup. A rather interesting combo from what he says for talismans made on Valentine's Day 2020. Seems a LOT of planets are in detriment.

 

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Note that this only looks at basic essential & accidental dignity! These are the basic building blocks for planetary talisman elections. Many other factors are important.


Saturn dignified by sign and term (great for talisman)
Jupiter in fall dignified by term (avoid for talisman)
Mars dignified by term (marginal for talisman)
Sun in detriment(avoid for talismans)
Venus dignified by term in detriment (avoid for talismans)
Mercury in detriment fall (avoid for face talismans)
Moon peregrine (avoid for talismans)

 We have two planets in fall and three in detriment (Mercury is both!) and also four planets dignified by term, aka bounds.  Plus right now the Moon conjoins Arcturus and Spica, the Sun Deneb Algedi and Jupiter, Vega.  Really, "best of times, worst of times"  All sorts of stuff happening!  All those planets in term are really interesting.  The essential dignity of term is probably the most obscure.  Ramesey has a really great passage, after trying to make head or tail of term rulership he says, 

"I finde no Author give sufficient reasons; I mean for this Table, according to Ptolomie, which, he saith, he found in an old rotten worm-eaten book, which was half consumed with worms and age, in which, he saith, there was a long story of the utility and reasons of the terms: but by reason of the so much decay of the Book it could not be legible, so that he could not transcribe it; and so leaveth the Reader still in doubt concerning this point, the clearing whereof requireth much time and study, which shall not be wanting hereafter in me to bestow (God granting me life and health) for the benefit both of the Art and Students therein. In the interim be content with what I have now delivered."

Astrologia Restaurata, page 72. 

Deb Houlding has a very interesting article on term rulership which you can get here
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/terms.html

But this points to a deeper issue.  There have always been two, sometimes competing and sometimes contradictory approaches to obscure material.  One approach, which is very prevalent nowadays, is to insist on every technique having a clear rationale and one that is acceptable to the user otherwise the technique is rejected, the other approach is to focus on effectiveness and to be more trusting of the tradition.  Both of these approaches have their faults, you can toss out very useful methods just because you don't understand them and you can stumble along not really understanding what and why you are doing things.  There needs to be a balance.  Nowadays, the tendency is to insist on a rationale that is immediately understandable and acceptable. 

So with terms, I'm not really sure of the rationale, I can't even remember what type I use, I'd have to check the settings on my software.  But they are a key part of traditional essential dignities and I've used them effectively for years.  But this is just me! 

Christopher Warnock

 

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