konchog uma Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) Hi bums, I would like to share this file, which I happened across in my wanderings through soulseek users files. It is not copyrighted or a matter of protected rights in any way, and seems to be an essay written by Michael Winn about Daoist Internal Alchemy. I hope that you enjoy it and that it brings benefit to your practices! The following is a quote from the beginning of the file. Daoist Internal Alchemy: A Deep Language for Communicating with Nature's Intelligence By Michael Winn Table of Contents Alchemy Formulas, Qi Field & Language Theory Personal Account - Learning the Language of Alchemy Is Chinese Language Essential to Learning Alchemy? Computer Language vs. Alchemical Language Daoist Cosmology as Nature's Deep Grammar How the Alchemist Shapes the Qi Field Cauldron: Portal for Communicating with Original Qi Nei Dan Formulas as Stages of Cultivating Original Qi Alchemists, Shamans, Mediums & the Empty Mind Inner Tones of Heaven & I Ching as Language What Language Do Immortals Speak? Alchemy, Reincarnation, & the Spirit-Matter Dialog Benefits of Studying Alchemy as a Deep Language Appendix A: Seven Alchemy Formulas for Attaining Immortality Edited November 27, 2012 by anamatva 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
konchog uma Posted November 27, 2012 right, here is the file Daoist Internal Alchemy - Michael Winn.doc 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Birch Posted November 27, 2012 Cool beans! Thanks for the share Anamatva! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thelerner Posted November 27, 2012 Thanks for sharing, I've always found Michael Winn to be a very knowledgeable writer and very good teacher. Now to upload it to my kindle app. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Imperial Posted November 28, 2012 Thanks! I shall read it when I have time! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest allan Posted November 28, 2012 Hi bums, I would like to share this file, which I happened across in my wanderings through soulseek users files. It is not copyrighted or a matter of protected rights in any way, and seems to be an essay written by Michael Winn about Daoist Internal Alchemy. I hope that you enjoy it and that it brings benefit to your practices! The following is a quote from the beginning of the file. This is a nicely written and researched article. Ten, twenty years from now, those already practising the formulae may realize they can never make it, since they are only practising one half of the duality, if at all. Emptiness is part of the cultivation of Tao, also on the proviso that a neidan formula is indeed correct. Not knowing the important signposts of Tao depicts the real levels neidan practitioners are at – still at the huge bottleneck level one (of three) – and not as exaggerated. That is why those who know Tao do not speak, partly for fear of leaking secrets where others can easily plagiarize or claimed to have reached. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
三江源 Posted November 28, 2012 This is a nicely written and researched article. Ten, twenty years from now, those already practising the formulae may realize they can never make it, since they are only practising one half of the duality, if at all. Emptiness is part of the cultivation of Tao, also on the proviso that a neidan formula is indeed correct. Not knowing the important signposts of Tao depicts the real levels neidan practitioners are at – still at the huge bottleneck level one (of three) – and not as exaggerated. That is why those who know Tao do not speak, partly for fear of leaking secrets where others can easily plagiarize or claimed to have reached. Allan.. could you explain how emptiness is excluded from what you see written by M Winn? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
konchog uma Posted November 28, 2012 well its only one essay, not sure it claims to be all-inclusive, or a total practice manual or anything of that sort you're welcome everyone! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest allan Posted November 28, 2012 Allan.. could you explain how emptiness is excluded from what you see written by M Winn? I did not say he excluded emptiness. Emptiness is (only) part of the cultivation of Tao, I had said, since there are more – which I did not name. Even then there are different types and levels of emptiness – therefore it depends on the neidan formula. But how would I know unless practitioners write about their type or level of emptiness in the forum or in their articles? Then perhaps I would comment, if any. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ALA Posted July 10, 2018 On 11/27/2012 at 1:05 PM, konchog uma said: right, here is the file Daoist Internal Alchemy - Michael Winn.doc This link seems to be empty Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wells Posted July 10, 2018 54 minutes ago, ALA said: This link seems to be empty Then it's the real deal! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mig Posted July 12, 2018 On 11/27/2012 at 10:05 AM, konchog uma said: right, here is the file Daoist Internal Alchemy - Michael Winn.doc Is it a safe doc file? It was empty when I downloaded Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ALA Posted July 12, 2018 Hi Mig, I have found a new one here http://www.serenitystreetnews.com/HERSTORY CRAMNOTES/5dterra NOTES AUDIO VIDEO/ebooks/144000/Alchemy_Michael_Winn_Daoist_Internal_Alche.pdf 36 pages. I hope that it is the same one as in the link above. Sorry about the long URL. I did not have the time to look it up how to shorten it but it works ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mig Posted July 14, 2018 On 7/12/2018 at 12:29 AM, ALA said: Hi Mig, I have found a new one here http://www.serenitystreetnews.com/HERSTORY CRAMNOTES/5dterra NOTES AUDIO VIDEO/ebooks/144000/Alchemy_Michael_Winn_Daoist_Internal_Alche.pdf 36 pages. I hope that it is the same one as in the link above. Sorry about the long URL. I did not have the time to look it up how to shorten it but it works ! Thank you and that works. BTW I read a few lines and this one struck me: "My thesis is that a deep language ability is stored in the qi field, and that One Cloud's nei dan formulas are a good example of how it is possible to train oneself to directly perceive and communicate with Nature's intelligence in a mostly non-verbal and non- ordinary language." It sounds deep structure a la Chomsky and it sounds to me plain generalization on language or better language in general. I agree with some linguists that language is an accident and the way we verbalize it is because of the pressure of air in our environment. But I think this is another topic of discussion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeform Posted July 26, 2018 I used to be a fan of Winn. I liked how he described and structured things. Having met him, his longer term students and other Healing Dao teachers, I came to realise that unfortunately it’s an empty system and will not lead to any real gong. Unfortunately it’s pretty much useless right from the beginning. The system relies heavily on imagination right from the start to the very highest levels. Authentic systems almost never use visualisation or imagination. It goes against the fundamental mechanisms of how these things work. So I’m sorry to say that practicing this system is a waste of time. And unlike even the basic yoga class you find in your local gym, it won’t even make you fit and flexible. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites