Isimsiz Biri Posted December 7, 2012 Also, he died 2500 years ago. Be careful of whom you talk with. What is the difference if died 2500 years ago or 2500 days ago? In astral realm, time is not as the same as physical plane 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isimsiz Biri Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) Religion = a set of beliefs. "Anyone who gives you a belief system is your enemy." I did not remember the exact thread, may be "Taoism and Homophobia", I am not sure. In that thread, I had said, Osho was a negative man, he defended open marriage and free porn. I was under attack on a continuous basis and my attackers were telling that defending open marriage and free porn was not a big deal. Looking at his sentence, ("Anyone who gives you a belief system is your enemy.") I still think the same for Osho. Negative. Edited December 7, 2012 by Recep Ivedik Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted December 7, 2012 What is the difference if died 2500 years ago or 2500 days ago? In astral realm, time is not as the same as physical plane That he died is a given but no big deal. That it was 2500 years ago is pretty much a given but again, no big deal. If anyone believes they are talking with him is, in my opinion, an error. Rather, what they are doing is talking with their self. To believe that we know how and with what words Lao Tzu would have responded to our comments and questions is also, in my opinion, an error. Yes, we can believe we know but that is a different matter. I cannot speak with you regarding a realm that I beleive does not exist. Yes, I am firmly grounded in the physical realm, the only realm I am aware of. Perhaps that is my problem but I have never perceived it as a problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isimsiz Biri Posted December 7, 2012 That he died is a given but no big deal. That it was 2500 years ago is pretty much a given but again, no big deal. If anyone believes they are talking with him is, in my opinion, an error. Rather, what they are doing is talking with their self. To believe that we know how and with what words Lao Tzu would have responded to our comments and questions is also, in my opinion, an error. Yes, we can believe we know but that is a different matter. I cannot speak with you regarding a realm that I beleive does not exist. Yes, I am firmly grounded in the physical realm, the only realm I am aware of. Perhaps that is my problem but I have never perceived it as a problem. To be only aware of physical realm is perfectly ok, it is not a problem either, in fact it is your and billions of others reality. Yet, this is your reality not the ultimate reality. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydog Posted December 7, 2012 I did not remember the exact thread, may be "Taoism and Homophobia", I am not sure. In that thread, I had said, Osho was a negative man, he defended open marriage and free porn. I was under attack on a continuous basis and my attackers were telling that defending open marriage and free porn was not a big deal. Looking at his sentence, ("Anyone who gives you a belief system is your enemy.") I still think the same for Osho. Negative. One can say that no one is "negative", There behaviours and thought patterns and actions may be considered "negative" by some on an individual basis. but this is what I really dislike about morality...calling a whole person negative because of an action..That is REALLY negative Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isimsiz Biri Posted December 7, 2012 One can say that no one is "negative", There behaviours and thought patterns and actions may be considered "negative" by some on an individual basis. but this is what I really dislike about morality...calling a whole person negative because of an action..That is REALLY negative Say something new Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydog Posted December 7, 2012 Say something new That is a negative action in my mind, but you are still a mohammed deep down lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted December 7, 2012 Yet, this is your reality not the ultimate reality. So I've been told on numerous occasions. Hehehe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydog Posted December 7, 2012 One can say that no one is "negative", There behaviours and thought patterns and actions may be considered "negative" by some on an individual basis. but this is what I really dislike about morality...calling a whole person negative because of an action..That is REALLY negative Recep have you not considered that just maybe some of the people disagreeing with what you are saying have a point, or are you always right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
et-thoughts Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) . Edited December 11, 2012 by et-thoughts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isimsiz Biri Posted December 7, 2012 So I've been told on numerous occasions. Hehehe. It is also valid for me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrandmasterP Posted December 7, 2012 Religion more than a set of beliefs... 'Some religions' do equate to a set of beliefs. Mrs GMP has baked you a cake et. You may both have it and eat it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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GrandmasterP Posted December 7, 2012 Cake is nice too. This one is mixed fruit. I've eaten your piece. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShenLung Posted December 7, 2012 This may be too simplistic of an analogy, but it works for me: A doctor's kit contains a variety of medicines for the treatment of many ailments of the body. Used properly by a physician with knowledge and discernment, they can restore or maintain the health of a patient. Taken all together, a person would become sick, or possibly die. A set of religeous beliefs likewise include teachings which, properly applied with knowledge and discernment, can maintain or restore a person's spiritual well being. Taken all together without the benefit of knowledge or discernment, religeous beliefs could very well be considered to be spiritually poisonous. So, when someone offers a set of religeous beliefs, it is much like offering a kit of medicines. I am grateful when someone with understanding shares their religeous beliefs with me, as it increases my knowledge of spiritual medicine. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrandmasterP Posted December 7, 2012 Beyond, possibly, someone in need of same; listening to Jehovah Witnesses on the subject of blood transfusion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
三江源 Posted December 7, 2012 That certainly gives a beliefs system centered in enmity .. useful observation, thankyou Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aaron Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) Osho is one of the most disturbing "gurus" I've seen. He has caused immeasurable suffering to his followers, especially the children in his organization. Little fun fact, his follower's children didn't attend public school, but rather a private one where they were not taught history as it actually is, but an adulterated one that showed Osho to be a gift to the world. He was a monster with a hedonistic message that attracted people who wanted to give up their responsibilities. No better than David Koresh or any other cult leader in my book. Aaron Edited December 7, 2012 by Aaron Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aaron Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) VMarco, You can't be free of belief systems,your declaration of being on the short path only proves this point. I know what you mean, only because you have inundated me with the intricacies of the short path for the last year or so. I understand it's what you believe and that it is a formal belief system (actually by definition), even if you don't. The fact is, we are drawn to others that hold the same beliefs as we do, it's only natural. In a perfect world, everyone doesn't think alike, they just allow everyone to think as they want to. My message was never to do away with religion or spiritual teachings, but rather to understand what they are and make decisions for yourself. By the way, Osho was seriously disturbed. I'm surprised you chose to post a video of him, since he's about as far away from the short path you can go. Aaron Edited December 7, 2012 by Aaron Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrandmasterP Posted December 7, 2012 Back in the day I was one of Osho's first sannyasins here in England. He was Bhagwan back then, Osho came later. Only on weekends mind you. I was smitten by a young lady whose mum was a big shout at Medina the Orange ashram so schlepped over there whenever I could for fun and frolics. Tony Parsons was one of the leaders, nice guy then, still a nice guy now. We had fun, but as all things do it went bits up. They were forever falling out amongst themselves and eventually it closed. Some went to America others just went. Still keep in touch with some of the old gang via reunions at Osho Leela down Glasto way. We are all so old now.... Osho was an old scallywag but his Chuang Tzu gloss... When the Shoe Fits... Is pretty good. He's a brand name these days with spa resorts and such. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrandmasterP Posted December 7, 2012 He's also rather dead, but the business just went from strength to strength. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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GrandmasterP Posted December 8, 2012 (edited) Feck duality. Maybe we should have two words One for beliefs that bind (a) and a different word for beliefs that liberate (. Something along the lines of... a: Bad b: Good Edited December 8, 2012 by GrandmasterP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrandmasterP Posted December 8, 2012 (edited) How weird is that if I type small b in brackets this happens ( Edited December 8, 2012 by GrandmasterP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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