Banking/Monetary Reform

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

Generally, lawful AND UNLAWFUL ALIKE people raid the criminal AND LAWFUL organization, arrest and apprehend everyone involved and seize all assets.


Self defense is the ONLY defense you can RELY on. lawfuls and unlawfuls alike. the unlawfuls, however, have the majority economic power in most parts of the world.


And [idiot] human beings are, sadly, still subjugating themselves to reliance on fiat currency as well as illegitimate and treasonous law enforcement agencies.

[eye_of_the_storm]

defense is like being a doormat... you're just waiting to get stepped on.

Sometimes the best defense is a good offensive... much eastern and western thought would agree with this.

I think regarding this topic... it is clear who is being unlawful.

[voidisyinyang]

Wrt corps, individuals can vote with their wallet to whatever limited extent,

 

Corporations are chartered by the government and so people can revoke the corporate charters to put the corporation out of business.

[voidisyinyang]

heh, care to tie that into banking and monetary reform, drew? while your historical diatribes are interesting, they tend to wind on so long that it start getting to be tough to figure out what your point is outside of math having historically been stripped of its higher resonances in order to limit people's spiritual growth, and of course mother nature will come kill us all once she feels ready

 

how the frig do we break the grip of the aristocracy? that's why I included that bitcoin vid before. you want to hurt a modern day entity, punch 'em in the pocket as hard as you can - cant think of a better way with these fools than to take away their capacity to steal incremental percentages of our money at every step of the process.

 

http://t.co/D2x3ARua3Q

 

Chavez did the best to threaten the U.S. imperialist genocide -- Chavez was using oil to promote social justice instead of using oil as a trophy of genocide.

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

defense is like being a doormat... you're just waiting to get stepped on.

 

Sometimes the best defense is a good offensive... much eastern and western thought would agree with this.

 

I think regarding this topic... it is clear who is being unlawful.

 

 

 

 

Such an inept stance is that: of a defender, thinking they are a target to get stepped on rather than a sovereign and solid individual whose authority is superior, always, to that of any attacker, ever.

 

 

Offensive is for the weak, fearful, and inept. no offense intended.

Edited April 4, 2013 by Northern Avid Judo Ant

[eye_of_the_storm]

How is that defense working out for you?

We are talking about banking reform here... have you figured it out? are you and your family free?

Are all the people in your nation free of this?

How do you propose we change these things through defense?

[earth has no master]

As you can all see, less than 1% of the world's population owns 81% of the world's wealth.

 

29,000 humans own more than 100 million dollars, 1 million humans own between 10-100 million dollars, 2 million humans own between 5-10 million dollars and 27 million humans own between 1 to 5 million dollars.

 

So how much do the rest of the 7 billion humans own? In the US alone, the bottom 20% of the world's population has negative net wealth because of debt.

 

Ever wonder who does Earth belongs to? It belongs to all of humanity so what gives the elite rich the right to own large areas of land, water resources, mineral resources, agricultural resources, energy resources plus other natural resources so they alone have the right to employ slaves to farm and work these resources for pittance salaries while selling the finished products to the public for a profit?

 

The concepts of businesses and profits are immorally wrong in the first place for if you spend just $5 to make a product and sell the product to another person for $10, somebody or someone will have to bear the brunt of paying you the $5 whether it be the taxpayers, government or another customer or business.

 

It is time the concept of money is wiped out from humanity's dictionary forever and ever for no one no country no civilizations ever need money to feed its citizens.

 

If anything, money will retard the growth and advancement of civilizations. Cars running on water have been invented in Japan 5 years ago but the oil companies exerted pressure on the Japanese government to shut down the project because the oil companies do not want to lose their source of revenue.

 

 

But the problem is whoever give oil companies the right to shut down such a noble invention like a car running on water which can save money for humanity and benefit countries and humanity everywhere in the whole wide world?

 

Money is a concept which will only fuel the greed of man. It will become a race between men to see who can acquire more than the other which is why money and economy are concepts which should be scrapped from history books and dictionaries altogether.

[earth has no master]

How is that defense working out for you?

 

We are talking about banking reform here... have you figured it out? are you and your family free?

 

Are all the people in your nation free of this?

 

How do you propose we change these things through defense?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First of all the concepts of money, economies and businesses and even corporation and commercial laws must be scrapped.

 

I think all of us know that there are hundreds of ET civilizations above and among us now. These higher civilizations do not have any concepts of money, economy and businesses.

 

Everything which these higher civilizations own on their planets are shared equally and all inventions and technologies are implemented for the good of all. So if a water car invention comes along, it would quickly replace all cars running on fuels in no time at all.

 

There wouldn't be any selfish oil company shareholders using government regulations to retard the replacement of all outdated cars running on fuels with cars which run on water.

 

The ET civilizations are ready to share everything with us including technologies which can manufacture everything in an instant with the need for raw materials whatsoever. There are already antigrav free energy technologies on the market.

 

http://www.keshefoundation.org/

 

However, the evil powers that be want money to remain in humanity's consciousness so that humanity's main goal is to worj for more money without end.

 

If money and businesses and economies disappear off the face of this planet, technologies which seem like magic will appear out of nowhere and even the hundreds of EＴ　ｒａｃｅｓ will openly reveal themselves but this would be what the evil powers that be fear.

 

Because they know if these ET races show themselves, humanity will stop any and all desires for more money because they will be abundance of all kind. No lack of food or water or any other material goods again and with infinite supply of material goods, how do the evil powers that be ever hope to control humanity?

Edited April 4, 2013 by earth has no master

[joeblast]

heh, the only problem is, one rather large component from this is missing - energy!!!

 

until we have sources of energy that are of such capacity that the individual is truly in no need whatsoever of his government, forget it. we will have the evils of government, of capitalism, of debt, wealth, etc. until we as a species figure that out, we struggle and toil under unfair systems.

 

so all of this lamenting does no good. the only way to truly get past all this crap is for us as a species to reach the technological level necessary so that we grow past our industrial production model. just like 3d printing now enables one to print most components of a gun, and with the right technologies will eventually be able to print the barrel too - that's what we need in terms of power and energy generation, accessible to the individual, and grown to a scale that it is no longer a commodity but a freely available resource.

 

so "force progress" all you want, until the technological underpinnings are completed, we're left struggling. it would be nice if something like bitcoin were able to grow into a true open source truly free currency that gets around the government's monopoly on money (and since the bankers have their hands up the government's ass...)....wishful thinking, for as soon as they realize the threat potential all efforts will be made into making it illegal and punishing users, etc.

 

 

so what is that one other big things the ET civilizations have that we dont? the energy bit.

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

How is that defense working out for you?

 

We are talking about banking reform here... have you figured it out? are you and your family free?

 

Are all the people in your nation free of this?

 

How do you propose we change these things through defense?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All our sovereign rights are to survive without inhibition, and the inhibitor may be killed without committing a crime at this point.

 

 

Stop talking.

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

heh, the only problem is, one rather large component from this is missing - energy!!!

 

until we have sources of energy that are of such capacity that the individual is truly in no need whatsoever of his government, forget it. we will have the evils of government, of capitalism, of debt, wealth, etc. until we as a species figure that out, we struggle and toil under unfair systems.

 

so all of this lamenting does no good. the only way to truly get past all this crap is for us as a species to reach the technological level necessary so that we grow past our industrial production model. just like 3d printing now enables one to print most components of a gun, and with the right technologies will eventually be able to print the barrel too - that's what we need in terms of power and energy generation, accessible to the individual, and grown to a scale that it is no longer a commodity but a freely available resource.

 

so "force progress" all you want, until the technological underpinnings are completed, we're left struggling. it would be nice if something like bitcoin were able to grow into a true open source truly free currency that gets around the government's monopoly on money (and since the bankers have their hands up the government's ass...)....wishful thinking, for as soon as they realize the threat potential all efforts will be made into making it illegal and punishing users, etc.

 

 

so what is that one other big things the ET civilizations have that we dont? the energy bit.

 

 

Mankind survives off of wood fires perfectly for eternity, and you are complaining about...... WHAT EXACTLY?!?!?

[joeblast]

 

 

Mankind survives off of wood fires perfectly for eternity, and you are complaining about...... WHAT EXACTLY?!?!?

haha, I'm not complaining - I'm just saying, the ecoprogressive meme of doing away with these modern trifles - trifles which have allowed the high population we have (I mean, obtaining a human body is good, right?) - so you need to grow past the trifles, not say oh well these havent existed for all of history, let's toss them - smash them to bits, as the administrator in the matrix said - what then?

 

progressives want all of those advanced civilization things without us first getting to an advanced civilization status - and they're willing to do it by force, fascism, whatever - just like other NWO factions that will use any means (like oh, the eco movement, progressive movement, the republican party) at their disposal. which is basically the 1984 way to get there.

 

the ends cant justify any means to get there, because any means almost always winds up including evil things.

 

when the generation of energy is in the hands of the individual, you are no longer beholden.

[joeblast]

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/07/11869.html

 

In other words, the nine biggest banks were all insolvent in the 1980s.

 

but that the Fed hid that fact from the American people.

 

So the government’s failure to break up the insolvent giants – even though virtually all independent experts say that is the only way to save the economy, and even though there is no good reason not to break them up – is nothing new.

William K. Black’s statement that the government’s entire strategy now – as in the S&L crisis – is to cover up how bad things are (“the entire strategy is to keep people from getting the facts”) makes a lot more sense.

but there's too much to paste here.

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

haha, I'm not complaining - I'm just saying, the ecoprogressive meme of doing away with these modern trifles - trifles which have allowed the high population we have (I mean, obtaining a human body is good, right?) - so you need to grow past the trifles, not say oh well these havent existed for all of history, let's toss them - smash them to bits, as the administrator in the matrix said - what then?

 

progressives want all of those advanced civilization things without us first getting to an advanced civilization status - and they're willing to do it by force, fascism, whatever - just like other NWO factions that will use any means (like oh, the eco movement, progressive movement, the republican party) at their disposal. which is basically the 1984 way to get there.

 

the ends cant justify any means to get there, because any means almost always winds up including evil things.

 

when the generation of energy is in the hands of the individual, you are no longer beholden.

 

 

 

In what insanity is it better to have more than can be sustained?

 

 

We have more human beings alive than we have human beings working to support all this human life...!!!

 

 

 

We dont NEED 20,000 human beings on earth, let alone 7+ BILLION. where is the NECESSITY outside of techno-industrial civilization?!

 

Using high population to justify civilization is wrong; using civilization to justify large populations is wrong.

 

 

Do we have evidence of necessity?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Neither the means nor the ends justify either of one another; they are cause and affect/effect, but not purpose or meaning.

The means do not justify the ends or the means themselves; the ends do not justify the means or the ends themselves.

 

To find justice, only one question need be asked: "does this create a victim, deprive a person of the space and room to exercise their natural sovereign birthright of free will?"

 

If ever the answer is "yes", then the act is unjust, unwarranted, illogical, and lacks necessity.

 

 

 

also, means and ends are lines. eternity is a point. there are no means or ends in eternity, are there? so why enter into an insufferable eternity? Why promote or contribute to an insufferable eternity? Why not work toward a harmonious eternity of contentment and understanding? Why presume to assert imperfection that needs progression to complete when we're ALREADY in the perfection of eternal presence?

 

 

The civilized meme is a mental disease and psychosis.

Edited April 4, 2013 by Northern Avid Judo Ant

[Enishi]

Widespread decentralized use of free energy (or simply a relatively more abundant source like thorium) is the only thing that would allow for money and the financial world to be done away with. Until that happens, the reality of money and scarcity cannot be avoided.

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

dude... what?


People do not need more than camp fires and protein, for energy.

Why in god's name does everyone think we need this massive construct, or multiple constructs across the globe, that use up tons of electricity?

Honestly, what on EARTH are you even TALKING about when you say:

""""Widespread decentralized use of free energy (or simply a relatively more abundant source like thorium) is the only thing that would allow for money and the financial world to be done away with.""""



????????????????

[voidisyinyang]

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/07/11869.html

 

 

but there's too much to paste here.

 

The S & L Crisis was a CIA operation!

 

http://video.abovetopsecret.com/sbplayer.php?vid=3420

 

So the CIA-Mafia-Fascists looted the U.S. working class.

 

http://video.abovetopsecret.com/video3420/The_CIA_The_Mafia_And_George_Bush_sr_-_Vintage_Conspiracy_Video/

Edited April 4, 2013 by pythagoreanfulllotus

[Enishi]

dude... what?

 

 

People do not need more than camp fires and protein, for energy.

 

Why in god's name does everyone think we need this massive construct, or multiple constructs across the globe, that use up tons of electricity?

 

Honestly, what on EARTH are you even TALKING about when you say:

 

""""Widespread decentralized use of free energy (or simply a relatively more abundant source like thorium) is the only thing that would allow for money and the financial world to be done away with.""""

 

 

 

????????????????

 

 

I'm sympathetic to arguments that humanity was better off as hunter gatherers, but the pandora's box of technology simply cannot be closed now, baring an extreme cataclysm. Humanity "en mass" will not, and cannot be forced to, adopt a subsistence lifestyle. What is more, a cataclysm that steemed from, say, resource depletion and enusing wars, would likely shred the environment and human society to such a degree that it's unlikely that the world would even survive.

 

 

Therefore, our solutions for the near future will be at least partially tied to new technology or new uses of existing technology, and unless scarcity is completely eliminated, the monetary and financial system that is part and parcel to scarcity shall remain in some form.

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

IT WORKS BOTH WAYS.

Humanity cannot EITHER be forced to adopt OR abandon a subsistence lifestyle. BALANCE is NECESSARY.

utter reliance on technology is just as bad, if not worse, than forcing people to live without ANY technology.

Given what is NECESSARY for survival, technology can and most certainly MUST be reduced so that biology can grow strong again.


I agree that technology is partially necessary, but not so much so as to allow continued "progress" on the current track civilization rides upon... We the People of this planet Earth might very well HAVE TO be the next cataclysm. not with our technology, not with our wars, but with our very own bodies refusing to contribute ANY further to the conflict, strife, struggle, caused by the overzealous progression of civilization.

Civilization is an artificial construct which serves no purpose other than being self-defined and self-important. If civilization does NOT serve humans as a whole, humans will be forced to serve [their] civilization. This enslaving of Humanitycannot be permitted to occur, let alone any further than it already has!

[Birch]

Why should it be either this or that? Technology is not neutral (as someone I can't recall offhand said) but it should be possible to subject it to people's will and not the reverse.

 

How related the following is is up for grabs but I've read some research about information technology use producing dopamine spikes in users.

 

---2cts--

[voidisyinyang]

People are deeply brainwashed. Technology is mass produced based on math but math is not pure -- the irrational geometry is bad logic -- just check out The Myth of Irrational Numbers or Did the Greeks Discover the Irrationals?

 

So as technology expands via logarithmic math going into higher "dimensions" then the destruction by technology increases exponentially.

 

Just watch Dr. Albert Bartlett's lecture "arithmetic, population and energy" -- it is exponential growth of energy use.

 

So people say we can't go back to hunter gatherers. Don't worry! Zero population growth WILL happen! Mother Nature will take revenge against technology inherently destroying the ecological homeostatis - the Gaia principle, etc.

 

Consciousness as formless awareness is not some androcentric phenomenon - the original human culture did not try to control Nature much less control technology. haha.

 

Oh yeah I didn't give links b/c I assume people are too arrogant to actually take what I said seriously. It doesn't matter! I'm not trying to "convert" nor "convince" anyone! Mother Nature will take revenge. haha.

[JustARandomPanda]

 

Oh yeah I didn't give links b/c I assume people are too arrogant to actually take what I said seriously. It doesn't matter! I'm not trying to "convert" nor "convince" anyone! Mother Nature will take revenge. haha.

 

Preview of Did the Greeks Invent the Irrationals

 

Another book by the one of the same authors on a similar topic

Arithmetic and Ontology: A Non-Realist Philosophy of Arithmetic

 

The Myth of Irrational Numbers pdf

[Birch]

Thanks SB.

 

Here's a link to an interesting paper http://cess.nyu.edu/caplin/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Dopamine-Reward-Prediction-Error-and-Economics.pdf

 

DOPAMINE, REWARD PREDICTION ERROR, AND ECONOMICS∗

[Birch]

PythagoreanFL. I wouldn't assume that:-)

[joeblast]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-04/money-ness-bitcoins

 

on the money-ness of bitcoins

 

sean's already up on it