Introduction to Dzogchen Retreat with B Alan Wallace

[RongzomFan]

For a true Vajrayana practitioner, nothing is a hindrance.

 

jhanas are a hinderance.

 

Read the thread above. And then also read this one:

 

http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=4547

[C T]

jhanas are a hinderance.

 

Read the thread above. And then also read this one:

 

http://www.dharmawhe...php?f=66&t=4547

 

Basic knowledge: Vajrayana is about mastering obstacles by transforming poison into nectar.

 

What hindrances? One's shaky confidence is the only hindrance.

[Jeff]

 

 

I can point you to Malcolm's description of tummo:

 

"Well, it is because our visualization of our bodies as deities also does not correspond to our bodies in a real sense either. For example, when we visualize ourselves as Vajrasattva, in Vajrasattvas body there is no heart, no lungs, no liver, spleen/pancreas or kidney, no stomach, intestines, gall bladder, urinary bladder, ovaries or seminal vesicle, etc.

 

We primarily use the three channels as a visualization guide for the prāṇa vāyu in our bodies that we breath in. For example, we use the visualization of the lower ends of the three channels to focus our attention below the belly, for example -- through muscular contraction of the mulabandha and the uddiyāna bandhas we collect and force vāyu into arterial system and cause it to supersaturate our cells, capillaries, etc. with vāyu and ojas (the real bodhicitta element within our body) that it pumps. Simultaneously, our heart rate slows, and this means for a time not only is our consciousness "slowing down" i.e. because the karma vāyus are now suspended, but the venous blood is returning less impurities into the blood stream temporarily while the ojas is flushing and restoring the cells. This is why Khumbaka, for example, is the hidden secret to longevity in both Hatha Yoga of the Nathas, and in Vajrayāna. Through the two lower locks, we slow blood flow into the vena cava, saturate blood with prāṇa vāyu and send it into the arteries, etc. Ojas itself has two stores within the body -- the heart and also the brain. This is why we do the visualization of blazing and dripping, etc.

 

This is just a rough approximation."

 

Thanks.

 

[Jeff]

 

The point addresses you, which is the problem.

 

Ouch.

 

Have a good evening.

 

[RongzomFan]

Actually, I don't see anything when my eyes are closed.

 

Ok, so you see shit with your eyes open. A lot of people can see ghosts, astral forms and auras.

Edited December 15, 2012 by alwayson

[Jeff]

 

Basic knowledge: Vajrayana is about mastering obstacles by transforming poison into nectar.

 

What hindrances? One's shaky confidence is the only hindrance.

 

Looking at Alwayson's link... It states that mind is just a physical wind of the physical body. Basically just a local biological component. Is this the standard Dzogchen (and Buddhist) perspective?

 

Thanks.

 

[Jeff]

 

Ok, so you see shit with your eyes open. A lot of people can see ghosts, astral forms and auras.

 

No. I prefer to "feel" with my heart. Astral planes exist in the mind.

 

[RongzomFan]

Looking at Alwayson's link... It states that mind is just a physical wind of the physical body. Basically just a local biological component. Is this the standard Dzogchen (and Buddhist) perspective?

 

Thanks.

 

 

In Dzogchen, the mind is merely wind (in the body).

 

No, this is not the standard Buddhist perspective.

 

Its the standard Dzogchen perspective.

Edited December 15, 2012 by alwayson

[C T]

Looking at Alwayson's link... It states that mind is just a physical wind of the physical body. Basically just a local biological component. Is this the standard Dzogchen (and Buddhist) perspective?

 

Thanks.

 

Maybe you can ask Alwayson which mind is being referred to: sems or sems-nyid.

[RongzomFan]

No. I prefer to "feel" with my heart.

 

Feel what with your heart?

 

Ghosts?

[C T]

Mind in semde, longde and mengagde has different connotations.

 

Perhaps Alwayson can be more specific when he says mind is merely wind.

[konchog uma]

Noone cares if you become a Dzogchenpa or not.

 

then why comment?

[C T]

an article for you, Jeff! http://davidpaulboaz.org/stromata/dzogchen_the_great_perfection.pdf

[C T]

Another useful link to get a better picture of the dzogchen lineage: http://www.orgyenkhamdroling.org/anyenrinpoche/lineage

[Jeff]

an article for you, Jeff! http://davidpaulboaz.org/stromata/dzogchen_the_great_perfection.pdf

 

Thank you. The document is consistent with my understanding. The challenge seems to be in the percieved interpretation of the details.

 

[RongzomFan]

Mind in semde, longde and mengagde has different connotations.

 

Perhaps Alwayson can be more specific when he says mind is merely wind.

 

I know its the case certainly in Menngagde, because I remember seeing quotes from Khandro Nyingthig etc.

 

As for semde and longde, who really cares.

[konchog uma]

From the Vajrayana point of view, jhanas are hinderances.

 

http://www.dharmawhe...php?f=40&t=4704

 

Thats why Vajrayana is all about tummo, trul khor, karmamudra etc.

 

great thread, missed it til now, thanks

[RongzomFan]

an article for you, Jeff! http://davidpaulboaz..._perfection.pdf

 

There are huge errors in this PDF for sure.

 

In Menngagde, the basis (gzhi) is not the nature of the mind.

Edited December 15, 2012 by alwayson

[C T]

Thank you. The document is consistent with my understanding. The challenge seems to be in the percieved interpretation of the details.

 

Good. Great in fact. Mr Boaz is a reliable source.

[C T]

There are huge errors in this PDF for sure.

 

In Menngagde, the basis (gzhi) is not the nature of the mind.

 

Then you can bring your argument to Jigme Lingpa and Longchenpa, ok?

[konchog uma]

@alwayson

 

why do you think shakyamuni advocated jhana if its an obstacle to liberation?

[C T]

Your arrogance will not get you far, my friend.

 

Semde, Longde and Mengagde provides structure to the path.

 

Even the masters of old do not dismiss semde and longde like you did just now.

[RongzomFan]

Then you can bring your argument to Jigme Lingpa and Longchenpa, ok?

 

Its not 'my argument". Its the truth. And I've read all the best translations on all the best restricted works of Jigme Lingpa. And its been explained ad nauseum by Malcolm on Dharma wheel.

Edited December 15, 2012 by alwayson

[RongzomFan]

Even the masters of old do not dismiss semde and longde like you did just now.

 

Bullshit, of course they do. They always hold Menngagde higher. I can't believe you just said that.

[Jeff]

Mind in semde, longde and mengagde has different connotations.

 

Perhaps Alwayson can be more specific when he says mind is merely wind.

 

The following quote is again from CNN... (pg. 36)

 

The mind influences the condition of both the body and the energy, and at the same time depends on them. Sometimes the mind is totally enslaved by the energy and there is no way to balance it without clearing up the disorders of the energy first.

 

This statement is very clear, and in my experience, the statement is very true. Even though CNN says it, would you consider it somehow "un-Dzogchen"?

 

Thanks again.

 

Edited December 15, 2012 by Jeff