Question for witch

[Peregrino]

Hello witch!

 

I've decided to ask my question here rather than in the lobby, but let me bid you welcome all the same.

 

Your testimony is very interesting. We had a discussion on female ejaculation earlier, but no women chimed in, so now I'm wondering if you can give your perspective. Let me just cut to the quick: have you ever experienced any kind of energy depletion (whether short- or long-term) because of your ejaculation? I ask because my understanding is that regular female ejaculation is on the whole an experience much more conducive to women's well-being than regular seminal release is for men.

 

I understand that female ejaculation is not the same cosmic experience as a CCO, but all the indicators I have so far suggest that it's highly beneficial for women, and will not interrupt the energy circuit the way that male ejaculation can . . . but perhaps I'm in need of more data!

 

Thanks in advance,

Peregrino

[witch]

I'm probably not the person to ask, I don't think I'm representative. This has been my experience. I think ejaculation does deplete energy, although I imagine not as much as man. Part of the energy depletion I think depends on how long the stimulation goes before ejaculation, and the quantity.

 

At one point a couple years back I decided to stop having heart chakra outpourings, worried that maybe somehow the energy was actually transferring and perhaps causing harm. So I stopped for a few weeks, and ended up having to have a lot of ejaculations to get rid of the energy--like six or seven a night. Which was a pain and also physically tiring. So I gave up and went back to my bad ways. I assumed the person, who was an adept, could shield if it was actually getting through.

[Peregrino]

Thanks for the input. Would you still consider your ability to ejaculate on the whole a positive (health- and happiness-enhancing) thing, even if it's not something you'd want to do every day?

[witch]

It's a really dirty thing. Instead of the energy going up to the heart chakra, it stays down there and comes out there. Feels very sexual and erotic and dirty. I personally see that as a positive, although I think it's more natural for women to let the energy go up and out. I like the feeling of camaraderie with men, and find it humorous that after I have a big one all I want to do is roll over and go to sleep. Gives a different perspective to a woman, I think.

 

My two cents, your mileage may vary, yadda, yadda, yadda.

[Peregrino]

Ha--that's hilarious!

 

It only happened to me with a partner once, and I admit I enjoyed the element of being "splashed," as if a low-riding wave had hit me in the face and chest. My partner laughed uncontrollably--in a GOOD way--but I can't really say that it was such a deep spiritual experience for her. (But it certainly wasn't pee!)

 

I've been looking into teachers lately who tout squirting as a means for very deep bonding when the relationship is already solid (which wasn't the case that first time), so I'm curious what the end result will be now that I am with someone "solid." At the very least, the "way" is highly enjoyable and bridge-building, whether or not we'll ever reach those more tangibly love-soaked destinations.

[thelerner]

who tout squirting as a means for very deep bonding

 

I think they call it Marking your Territory

 

Michael

[Treena]

Some women never will do such a thing because they feel they are/will be peeing and so won't relax enough to let it happen. There is a difference. The fluid is completely different. It's the sensation that is subtle. A very slight difference.

 

I've never found it to be an energy loss.

[三江源]

hello hello, what's all this then?

 

 

How do you ejaculate - ie can you do it 'on purpose', is it a side effect of something else you're doing? I just assumed that some women do, and others dont.

 

What is the fluid that you release?

 

How could it be beneficial?

 

 

Tell all, please.

[witch]

Dependent on PC muscle tone, caused by G-spot stimulation. Here's a link:

 

http://www.libchrist.com/sexed/Gspot.html

 

While the Skene's gland does produce ejaculatory fluid, women do not have the valve men have to shut off the bladder, so at the time of an ejaculation orgasm all the contents of the bladder are expelled along with the Skene's gland fluid. A woman can minimize this by emptying her bladder right before having sex.

[Treena]

While the Skene's gland does produce ejaculatory fluid, women do not have the valve men have to shut off the bladder, so at the time of an ejaculation orgasm all the contents of the bladder are expelled along with the Skene's gland fluid. A woman can minimize this by emptying her bladder right before having sex.

 

Witch, great article on a little known topic. When it happened to me for the first time I had no freaking idea what was going on and spent some time trying to figure it out. One of the things I've realized is the fluid is not urine. As the article you link to above says:

 

Researches have found that although many women feel a slight need to urinate right before ejaculation, the fluid is definitely not urine. Nor does it come from the Bartholin gland which produces a milky, odorless secretion that helps lubricate the vagina when sexually aroused.

 

 

But here's an interesting thing I've found out through experimentation while trying to figure out what the heck the fluid was and where it came from. If you are 'femal ejaculating' and then you 'also' activate the bladder with the usual muscular relaxations and contractions, then, yes, urine will come out. If you don't activate the bladder, it won't. Now I try never to have a full bladder while having sex, so maybe that makes a difference. And again, maybe each one of us is different in how it works.

 

Witch, I've also been thinking about the energy loss question. And I think it comes down to Intention. Just as anyone can lose energy if he/she voids the bladder right after qigong practice the same person can, however, make sure he or she doesn't lose the energy by 'intending' not to. It may work in a similar way with female ejaculation.

[Peregrino]

I think they call it Marking your Territory

 

Michael

 

 

It certainly can be that, Michael, and I try to distinguish between the shit and the shinola when consulting my, um, "sources." (Stephane Hemon, for the record, claims to be deeply "heart-centered," unlike the majority of teachers in the seduction community, but whether or not his teaching on relationships is a crock, I really got a lot out of his "squirting massage" vid, and my girlfriend has really been enjoying the massage part.)

 

I think giving sexual pleasure to someone is often an exercise in ego or ego transcendence--how much of my pleasure in giving pleasure comes from a sense of "accomplishment," how much relates to the power dynamic in the relationship, and how much is pure, selfless gift? It's an interesting subject for discernment, but fortunately I have a high tolerance for ambiguity and am happy to go full steam ahead in my amorous investigations, hoping that any pleasure that ensues won't be the source of any ongoing analytical headaches!

 

Hmmm--unless you mean that by this practice the *woman* would be marking her territory? That would make an interesting riposte to the emphasis on the male "money shot" in so much hetporn--and in so many sexual encounters between young people influenced by such porn.

 

[Edit]

Thanks for the link to the "Liberated Christians" website--I'd forgotten about them! Halleluiah!

[Treena]

Holy Shemomma! Just read your intro thread in the lobby, Witch, and you are one amazing woman. I don't even think I could function having those many orgasms daily! I can see why you release energy out. But am terribly curious as to what would be the ideal way for you to convert and store it.

 

And I wonder if the CCO did that? It depleted the sexual energy, yes. But did you notice an increase in your overall energy? A light in your eyes? A bounce in your step?

[三江源]

Thanks for the link, witch.

 

this seems to be the answer

 

Today we now know that the difference between women who squirt and those that don't is in the number and size of their pariurethral glands. They are analogous to the hundreds of tiny glands that constitute the male's prostate gland and are responsible for 15% to 50% of the fluid a man ejaculates.

 

in case anyone else is interested.

 

( the article says they dont know what the liquid is, and there's no mention of it being beneficial, or different than any strong G spot orgasm without fluid release.)

Edited January 14, 2007 by cat

[Peregrino]

Our friends at the Liberated Christians also say that the fluid release doesn't have to come in a dramatic spurt, but can ooze out in a less noticeable way. Maybe there are many more women in this group of "unknowing ejaculators" than realize it.

 

It is common for writers of porn films and erotic books to make it appear that male ejaculations "shoot" or "spurt". But Kinsey's observations of hundreds of male ejaculators showed that in about 75% of men the semen merely exudes from the meatus or is propelled with so little force that the liquid is not carried more than a very small distance beyond the tip of the penis. In short, most males ooze rather than shoot. Their semen doesn't spurt, it dribbles out.

 

Similarly, if a woman expels fluid other than urine from her urethra, she shouldn't have to make it squirt for it to qualify as ejaculation. The fact that many women don't notice it since it's not a powerful squirt contributes to the underreporting of female ejaculation. Other women, including one of my (Dave's) partners, very strongly squirt large amounts of fluid while having powerful G-spot orgasms.

 

Of course, often for the male mind, measurable amounts and distances are everything! I once read a thread on a strength training forum about which supplements will give a man the greatest quantity of ejaculate and the farthest range of release. (Not that that's necessarily good from a Taosit perspective!) I think I remember Plato saying he was producing such a product himself.

[witch]

Holy Shemomma! Just read your intro thread in the lobby, Witch, and you are one amazing woman. I don't even think I could function having those many orgasms daily! I can see why you release energy out. But am terribly curious as to what would be the ideal way for you to convert and store it.

 

And I wonder if the CCO did that? It depleted the sexual energy, yes. But did you notice an increase in your overall energy? A light in your eyes? A bounce in your step?

 

Yes, immediately afterwords I had lots of physical energy, I felt like a child. But to me it didn't feel like it was the energy being converted and stored. During the CCO, if that is what I had, it felt like the sexual energy went out of me through the top of my head. And it felt like the ensuing physical energy was from not fighting to contain that energy anymore.

 

I was reading the Frantzis book about optimal posture, and he said the best way for health is to stand like a child, with relaxed belly and rounded shoulders. Men tense their bellies and throw back their shoulders as sexual display. I'm not saying I think men should be like peacocks all the time, but I think sexual display is worth the energy at the right time and so is containing the sexual force.

 

To me the CCO experience felt more like an escape valve than anything else, like a regulator--with the first chakra generating the energy and the seventh chakra totally venting the energy if it became too much. That said, the experience was indescribably mind-blowing. Still, after having a sixth chakra orgasm, I much prefer those. If I'm going to hoard my sexual energy, it will be for those, and save the CCO experience for sexual energy overload emergencies.

 

Margot Anand is endorsing my book.

[Peregrino]

A curious synchronicity: It turns out that last night, while I was reading and posting on these subjects, my girlfriend had a dream in which first I "unloaded" a milkshake's worth of the sacred protein (oops, sorry Mantak!), and then afterwards, she went off like a geyser. It's a bit of a freaky co-ink-i-dink 'cause we hadn't seen each other for a few days, and we hadn't talked about these "explosive" subjects for awhile, though we're both very interested. In fact, as she told me about her dream today it sounded like her enthusiasm to explore further is even greater than mine now (as I'm trying to avoid being so goal-oriented and just enjoy the journey). I'll take this as a portent for bigger and wetter things!