Reverse & Vase Breathing.

[GrandmasterP]

Full English every morning the lad enjoys.

Bacon, sausage, fried slice, mushrooms and tomatoes. Earl Grey Tea (all flown in a diplomatic 'bag' via Dabolim airport sent from Harrods of Knightsbridge each week) and the BBC World Service news on the radio.

As one of the DL's aides explained to us visiting Brits.....

"It's quite the ritual for him".

Edited December 23, 2012 by GrandmasterP

[Jetsun]

Full English every morning the lad enjoys.

Bacon, sausage, fried slice, mushrooms and tomatoes. Earl Grey Tea (all flown in a diplomatic 'bag' via Dabolim airport sent from Harrods of Knightsbridge each week) and the BBC World Service news on the radio.

As one of the DL's aides explained to us visiting Brits.....

"It's quite the ritual for him".

 

This isn't true when he was in the UK the time before last, I know because I was involved with his lodgings and logistics when he came to Oxford. He ate what he was given and woke up at about 4am every day to do three hours of practice before beginning his day.

[Birch]

Personal experience has shown me that I can get 'quieter faster' with abdominal breathing than having it up high and shallow in the chest.

[GrandmasterP]

Personal experience has shown me that I can get 'quieter faster' with abdominal breathing than having it up high and shallow in the chest.

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"Low and slow is the way to grow".

(GM Chang)

Breathing into LDT does the trick.

[GrandmasterP]

 

 

This isn't true when he was in the UK the time before last, I know because I was involved with his lodgings and logistics when he came to Oxford. He ate what he was given and woke up at about 4am every day to do three hours of practice before beginning his day.

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A considerate guest then. I found him quite charming if a little deaf.

[konchog uma]

http://news.harvard....8/09-tummo.html

 

 

https://en.wikipedia...c_investigation

"In the first experiment, in Upper Dharamsala (India), Benson et al. (1982)^{[full citation needed]} found that these subjects exhibited the capacity to increase the temperature of their fingers and toes by as much as 8.3°C."

Edited December 23, 2012 by anamatva

[dawei]

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How I was taught it sorta completes a circuit, the metaphor GM Chang who taught us used was electrical wiring, but it is only a metaphor for ease of visualisation.

Say you are doing MCO.

On breathe in with tongue up the circuit is open down, round and up from LDT to the sinuses/ third eye.

Then drop tongue to create the circuit from third eye back down to LDT and breathe out.

Also by breathing out through mouth you can articulate the required sound if you are doing those.

I think visualization is important so thanks for using that.

 

But I am still trying to get your explanation and to see if we refer to the same exact use of 'circuit'. I am using this word to mean a connection between the conception and governing vessels.

1. On breathe in with tongue up the circuit is open - To me, tongue up is the circuit is connected or closed [loop]

2. Then drop tongue to create the circuit from third eye back down to LDT and breathe out. - To me, tong down is an open circuit (governing and conception vessels are not connected).

 

The other thing that confuses me is the order. If I were to move the tongue between stages, on the inhale of normal breathing (downward then upward to third eye) the circuit does not need to be closed so the tongue could be down. On the exhale when the energy is brought back down to the LDT, the circuit needs to be closed (tongue up).

 

I might try this but wanted to make sure I understand your method.

[dawei]

From reading the thread I am interested in finding out more about vase and reverse breathing. From other threads I have come to understand that reverse breathing is compressing the abdomen on the inhale and expanding it on the exhale, rather than the more natural motion of compressing on the exhale and expanding on the inhale. I have never heard of vase breathing before. Can someone confirm if my understanding of reverse breathing is correct in this context and expand on what is involved in vase breathing?

Yes, you have reverse breathing correct.

 

1. Inhale = compress abdomen (energy rises up the back from LDT)

2. exhale = expand abdomen (energy back to LDT)

 

Vase Breathing. I had not heard that term but the term others are using, "Tummo" which is a Tibetan method of breathing whereby your body can withstand the external influence of cold or ice. I once read the Tibetan method and was taught a variation so there could be some differences in what people might say is the method... but you can search Wim Hof (The Iceman) who is one of the only westerners to achieve the practice. Also look on Youtube for demonstrations and tests that universities have done on him.

[Ish]

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Edited October 27, 2016 by Ish

[dawei]

One exercise I was taught to open the Small Universe was reverse breathing, inhale and tip of tongue goes to palate, exhale out the mouth tongue goes to the lower gum line.

 

The tongue position, reverse breathing and pulling up the lower gap aid the energy rising to the crown.

The lowering of the tongue and releasing breath out the mouth sink the energy back to dan tian.

So your sharing something similar to GMP but you specifically mention Reverse Breathing whereas I took his explanation a Normal Breathing.

 

But in your method I assume you have led the energy into the conception vessel by the time you drop the tongue?

 

In leaving the tongue always up and connected, I will get feedback that the energy is truly moving between the vessels as my front teeth will get numb. Do you get this sensation with the constant up and down of the tongue?

[GrandmasterP]

I don't get that ever.

You don't use any pressure at all just rest the tongue there up and let it go gently down.

HTH

[Ish]

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Edited October 27, 2016 by Ish

[hydrogen]

 

1. Inhale = compress abdomen (energy rises up the back from LDT)

2. exhale = expand abdomen (energy back to LDT)

 

 

I do different. I have no idea what's the correct way.

 

Inhale through mouth, compress LDT from all side (front, back, PC, the Crown), breath in from hand and feet as well. I seem to pack energy in LDT.

 

exhale through nose, expand all side. energy out all.

 

I only do it for about five minutes.

[dawei]

Main thing i notice is the tongue vibrating strongly, the lips as well.

Indeed i also keep the tip of the tongue up most of the time.

However touching the tip of the tongue on the lower gum strengthens the vibration of the lower lip, can feel the energy descending more so.

 

But I don't think it's necessary, having the tongue up the majority of the time works well.

 

Edit: there also is energy felt in the front teeth but it's more a fullness/flow rather than numbness

yes, that describes it better and what I experience (teeth and lips, etc). Thanks.

 

@ GMP: thanks.

[dawei]

I do different. I have no idea what's the correct way.

 

Inhale through mouth, compress LDT from all side (front, back, PC, the Crown), breath in from hand and feet as well. I seem to pack energy in LDT.

 

exhale through nose, expand all side. energy out all.

 

I only do it for about five minutes.

Too many valid variations and so little time...

 

I have done what you relate and would agree that a 3-D compression is a good method... and in which case you can breath in the front and back gates too (not sure if you were suggesting also breathing in at those spots).

 

I have also done it as breathing in the top and bottom of the taiji pole (crown down front and root up back) to rotate the energy forward like a ball rotating (3-D), and then after a while to start compressing it smaller and smaller and smaller till a pearl... one can then use that visualization to move the pearl along the MCO... then when completely finished doing MCO and back at the LDT let it completely expand outward.

[GrandmasterP]

Yep Qi ball is super.

One of the 8 strands is "hold Qi ball and turn round"

Once you can feel and see the ball it's super easy to internalise it and send it into LDT then round MCO

 

[Seth Ananda]

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If it works for anyone who needs to believe in it then by all means order the books or DVDs and go for it but if you can attain the same results naturally then why waste money buying , in order to use; artificial 'man made' means?

Techniques sell DVDs and books.

I've met the DL who was a neighbour, his winter palace was, and is ; not far from our compound in Hubli. The old boy appeared to be breathing in and out quite normally in the same way as everyone else in the room was.

What the hell are you talking about? People buy books on normal breathing, MCO, reverse and vase breathing. Reverse breathing works whether you believe in it or not.

 

You seriously need to consider how many friends you are loosing here. You are usually the first to post in nearly any thread topic that comes up, and your first post is presented as if an old Osho sanyasin {you} is the final authority on absolutely everything.

And your assertions are usually plain wrong and sometimes verging on the ridiculous.

Then you meander through other peoples threads making vague off topic or utter bullshit statements.

 

 

You seem to have this Idea of yourself that you are canny and streetwise when it comes to spiritual topics and cons, and that everything you yourself don't practice is just a trick for the marks...

Hilariously having been an Osho sanyasin doesn't mean you have 'seen it all'...

Being old doesnt mean you have a greater perspective either.. My grandpa is proof of that.

[skydog]

I think I am doing it now, whilst justing doing stillness movement naturally maybe I am doing it because I have let my attention drop from ldt in the past week and it just went to upper dan tien, but keeping it on lower dan tien brings more energy into my body, but good to combine this "focus" with "letting go" as to avoid getting too tight.

[Seth Ananda]

why would the dalai lama be doing reverse or vase breathing in a public gathering? of course he was breathing normally, unfortunately that proves nothing.

 

you don't know what he does when he practices in private, so there is no point in talking about who you've met in the context of a discussion about meditation practice.

in fact my friend has done quite a bit of practice with HHDL and there was quite a bit of Vase breathing.

[konchog uma]

in fact my friend has done quite a bit of practice with HHDL and there was quite a bit of Vase breathing.

 

your friend is fortunate! and i believe it about the breathing

[GrandmasterP]

 

What the hell are you talking about? People buy books on normal breathing, MCO, reverse and vase breathing. Reverse breathing works whether you believe in it or not.

 

You seriously need to consider how many friends you are loosing here. You are usually the first to post in nearly any thread topic that comes up, and your first post is presented as if an old Osho sanyasin {you} is the final authority on absolutely everything.

And your assertions are usually plain wrong and sometimes verging on the ridiculous.

Then you meander through other peoples threads making vague off topic or utter bullshit statements.

 

 

You seem to have this Idea of yourself that you are canny and streetwise when it comes to spiritual topics and cons, and that everything you yourself don't practice is just a trick for the marks...

Hilariously having been an Osho sanyasin doesn't mean you have 'seen it all'...

Being old doesnt mean you have a greater perspective either.. My grandpa is proof of that.

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Thank you for sharing.

I'm not saying that it doesn't work, merely pointing out that it's a whole lot of faffing about to get to the same place that a simpler and more natural cultivation would get you to easier.

Difficult does not necessarily imply worthy.

I'm testament to that bro.

:-)

[konchog uma]

lol so how would you improve on tummo as practiced at present?

 

lol well see i think you should just breath normally and put a thicker jacket on!

 

BRILLIANT!

 

thank you

[ShenLung]

One of the nice features of this forum is that I occasionally get introduced to new terms and ideas. Today, for example, I discovered that the breathing control and chi circulation trick where I conciously generate heat to transform my body into a mini-furnace is called tummo.

 

Vase breathing is a new term for me ... where is a good place to go for an explanation?

[Ish]

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Edited October 27, 2016 by Ish

[GrandmasterP]

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=qWCn8PkHeuk&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DqWCn8PkHeuk&gl=GB

 

Easy enough.

HTH