What's up with the illuminati?

[Lindelani Mnisi]

What is their goal? Why do they exist? And should I not listen to their music? Please enlighten me, I'd hate to one day wake up hypnotized or anything

[skydog]

Best not to dwell on it too much...although youde be advised to stay away from harmful brainwashing

[skydog]

Ok ill be more specific I know you like rap music so did/do I...but when you get into deeper awarenesss youll notice that certain types of energy come from certain things, certain belief systems and values are handed down...a lot of rap music promotes violent values instead of compassionate, forgiving, kind ones, also it instills things like ghetto/poverty mentality, blaming mentality, victim mentality etc.

 

Try to find peaceful music you like...to be honest even music that seems peaceful like bob marley is still full of messages like "gotta change the world" which is bearable but still puts me off a bit, instead of harmonious music eg everything is good now.

 

Use your own intuition to try to create your own social conditioning..

 

peace

[GrandmasterP]

There aint no such thing as the Illuminati.

Anybody says different gets whacked!

[madMUHHH]

Or you could simply listen to Saul Williams instead

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77vCx_J9YyQ

 

http://www.dailymoti...s-coded-l_music

[eye_of_the_storm]

The Rothschilds

 

"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it's profits or so dependant on it's favors, that there will be no opposition from that class." — Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863

 

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" — Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

 

Senators and Congressmen

 

"Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the international money lenders. The accounts of the Federal Reserve System have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and manipulates the credit of the United States" — Sen. Barry Goldwater (Rep. AR)

"This [Federal Reserve Act] establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President [Wilson} signs this bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized....the worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill." — Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr. , 1913

 

"From now on, depressions will be scientifically created." — Congressman Charles A.

Lindbergh Sr. , 1913

"The financial system has been turned over to the Federal Reserve Board. That Board as ministers the finance system by authority of a purely profiteering group. The system is Private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people's money" -- Charles A. Lindbergh Sr., 1923

"The Federal Reserve bank buys government bonds without one penny..." — Congressman Wright Patman, Congressional Record, Sept 30, 1941

 

"We have, in this country, one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board. This evil institution has impoverished the people of the United States and has practically bankrupted our government. It has done this through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it". — Congressman Louis T. McFadden in 1932 (Rep. Pa)

"The Federal Reserve banks are one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever seen.

There is not a man within the sound of my voice who does not know that this nation is run by the International bankers — Congressman Louis T. McFadden (Rep. Pa)

"Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks are the United States government's institutions.

They are not government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign swindlers" — Congressional Record 12595-12603 — Louis T. McFadden, Chairman of the Committee on Banking and Currency (12 years) June 10, 1932

"I have never seen more Senators express discontent with their jobs....I think the major cause is that, deep down in our hearts, we have been accomplices in doing something terrible and unforgivable to our wonderful country. Deep down in our heart, we know that we have given our children a legacy of bankruptcy. We have defrauded our country to get ourselves elected." — John Danforth (R-Mo)

"These 12 corporations together cover the whole country and monopolize and use for private

gain every dollar of the public currency..." — Mr. Crozier of Cincinnati, before Senate Banking and Currency Committee - 1913

"The [Federal Reserve Act] as it stands seems to me to open the way to a vast inflation of the

currency... I do not like to think that any law can be passed that will make it possible to submerge the gold standard in a flood of irredeemable paper currency." — Henry Cabot Lodge Sr., 1913

 

From the Federal Reserves Own Admissions

 

"When you or I write a check there must be sufficient funds in out account to cover the check,

but when the Federal Reserve writes a check there is no bank deposit on which that check is drawn. When the Federal Reserve writes a check, it is creating money." — Putting it simply, Boston Federal Reserve Bank

"Neither paper currency nor deposits have value as commodities, intrinsically, a 'dollar' bill is just

a piece of paper. Deposits are merely book entries." — Modern Money Mechanics Workbook, Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, 1975

"The Federal Reserve system pays the U.S. Treasury 020.60 per thousand notes --a little over 2 cents each-- without regard to the face value of the note. Federal Reserve Notes, incidentally, are the only type of currency now produced for circulation. They are printed exclusively by the Treasury's Bureau of Engraving and Printing, and the $20.60 per thousand price reflects the Bureau's full cost of production. Federal Reserve Notes are printed in 01, 02, 05, 10, 20, 50, and 100 dollar denominations only; notes of 500, 1000, 5000, and 10,000 denominations were last printed in 1945." —Donald J. Winn, Assistant to the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve system

"We are completely dependant on the commercial banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system.... It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied very soon." — Robert H. Hamphill, Atlanta Federal Reserve Bank

 

From General Law

 

"The entire taxing and monetary systems are hereby placed under the U.C.C. (Uniform Commercial Code)" — The Federal Tax Lien Act of 1966

"There is a distinction between a 'debt discharged' and a debt 'paid'. When discharged, the debt still exists though divested of it's charter as a legal obligation during the operation of the discharge, something of the original vitality of the debt continues to exist, which may be transferred, even though the transferee takes it subject to it's disability incident to the discharge." —Stanek vs. White, 172 Minn.390, 215 N.W. 784

"The Federal Reserve Banks are not federal instrumentalities..." — Lewis vs. United States 9th Circuit 1992

"The regional Federal Reserve banks are not government agencies. ...but are independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations." — Lewis vs. United States, 680 F. 2d 1239

9th Circuit 1982

 

Past Presidents, not including the Founding Fathers

 

"Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce." — James A. Garfield, President of the United States

"A great industrial nation is controlled by it's system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world--no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men." — President Woodrow Wilson

 

Founding Father's Quotes on Banking (Maybe some repeats from "Founding Father's Quotes" / Information tends to converge)

 

Thomas Jefferson

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to

whom it properly belongs." — Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President.

"If Congress has the right [it doesn't] to issue paper money [currency], it was given to them to be used by...[the government] and not to be delegated to individuals or corporations" — President Andrew Jackson, Vetoed Bank Bill of 1836

"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it's issuance." — James Madison

 

Misc. Sources

 

"Banks lend by creating credit. They create the means of payment out of nothing" — Ralph M.Hawtrey, Secretary of the British Treasury

 

"To expose a 15 Trillion dollar rip-off of the American people by the stockholders of the 1000 largest corporations over the last 100 years will be a tall order of business." — Buckminster Fuller

 

"Every Congressman, every Senator knows precisely what causes inflation...but can't, [won't] support the drastic reforms to stop it [repeal of the Federal Reserve Act] because it could cost him his job." — Robert A. Heinlein, Expanded Universe

"It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." — Henry Ford

"[Every circulating FRN] represents a one dollar debt to the Federal Reserve system." — Money Facts, House Banking and Currency Committee

"...the increase in the assets of the Federal Reserve banks from 143 million dollars in 1913 to 45 billion dollars in 1949 went directly to the private stockholders of the [federal reserve] banks." — Eustace Mullins

"As soon as Mr. Roosevelt took office, the Federal Reserve began to buy government securities at the rate of ten million dollars a week for 10 weeks, and created one hundred million dollars in new [checkbook] currency, which alleviated the critical famine of money and credit, and the factories started hiring people again." — Eustace Mullins

"Should government refrain from regulation (taxation), the worthlessness of the money becomes apparent and the fraud can no longer be concealed." — John Maynard Keynes, "Consequences of Peace."

 

"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create deposits, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of Bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create deposits." — SIR JOSIAH STAMP, (President of the Bank of England in the 1920's, the second richest man in Britain): "The modern Banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented. Banks can in fact inflate, mint and unmint the modern ledger-entry currency." — MAJOR L .L. B. ANGUS:

 

"While boasting of our noble deeds were careful to conceal the ugly fact that by an iniquitous money system we have nationalized a system of oppression which, though more refined, is not less cruel than the old system of chattel slavery. — Horace Greeley

"People who will not turn a shovel full of dirt on the project (Muscle Shoals Dam) nor contribute a pound of material, will collect more money from the United States than will the People who supply all the material and do all the work. This is the terrible thing about interest ...But here is the point: If the Nation can issue a dollar bond it can issue a dollar bill. The element that makes the bond good makes the bill good also. The difference between the bond and the bill is that the bond lets the money broker collect twice the amount of the bond and an additional 20%. Whereas the currency, the honest sort provided by the Constitution pays nobody but those who contribute in some useful way. It is absurd to say our Country can issue bonds and cannot issue currency. Both are promises to pay, but one fattens the usurer and the other helps the People. If the currency issued by the People were no good, then the bonds would be no good, either. It is a terrible situation when the Government, to insure the National Wealth, must go in debt and submit to ruinous interest charges at the hands of men who control the fictitious value of gold. Interest is the invention of Satan." — THOMAS A. EDISON

"By this means government may secretly and unobserved, confiscate the wealth of the people, and not one man in a million will detect the theft." — John Maynard Keynes (the father of 'Keynesian Economics' which our nation now endures) in his book "THE ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES OF THE PEACE" (1920).

 

"Capital must protect itself in every way...Debts must be collected and loans and mortgages foreclosed as soon as possible. When through a process of law the common people have lost their homes, they will be more tractable and more easily governed by the strong arm of the law applied by the central power of leading financiers. People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. This is well known among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of capitalism to govern the world. By dividing the people we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us except as teachers of the common herd."-- Taken from the Civil Servants' Year Book, "The Organizer" January 1934.

 

"The Federal Reserve banks, while not part of the government..." — United States budget for 1991 and 1992 part 7, page 10

 

The Money Power! It is the greatest power on earth; and it is arrayed against Labour. No other power that is or ever was can be named with it... it attacks us through the Press - a monster with a thousand lying tongues, a beast surpassing in foulness any conceived by the mythology that invented dragons, were wolves, harpies, ghouls and vampires. It thunders against us from innumerable platforms and ,Yes, so far as we are concerned, the headquarters of the Money Power is Britain. But the Money Power is not a British institution; it is cosmopolitan. It is of no nationality, but of all nationalities. It dominates the world. The Money Power has corrupted the faculties of the human soul, and tampered with the sanity of the human intellect... Editorial from 1907 edition of The Brisbane Worker (Australia)

Edited December 28, 2012 by White Wolf Running On Air

[adept]

It's true that a handful of 'families' run the entire world. From the banks to the media, world politics and food production. Everything is controlled via them. Wars are created by pitting one religion or belief system against another.

They are trying to turn the population of the world into brainwashed sheeple. By acknowledging this fact, you are well on the way to freeing yourself.

Their agenda is for them to tell us what to buy, wear, read, eat etc etc... by bombarding us with constant advertising of their endorsed products. By poisoning our food and water supply. Creating global financial meltdowns. To keep the population at a set level by creating wars.

David Icke has done some brilliant work on exposing this and making the information available.

[GrandmasterP]

Conspiracy fiction, all.

[Dainin]

Follow the money.

[Birch]

"They are trying..."

 

I'd say they've managed to succeed quite well so far.

From time to time I dig around in related stuff and it's quite hard to determine what the aim is. Rumours abound of an end-goal of restoring the Earth to some kind of 'golden age' but so do rumours about off-planet survival strategies.

 

 

[GrandmasterP]

Caveat Emptor as far as Ickey's concerned.

That said he filled Wembley Arena this year with all 6,000 seats sold out and spoke for five hours without once using notes.

[GrandmasterP]

http://www.illuminati-news.com/bilderberg-secret-world-government.htm

 

I never posted this link.

;-)

[Birch]

Conspiracy fiction, all.

 

That's rather a broad sweeping statement Mr GranP. I do think there are 'elites' in commanding positions in every country in the world who tend to organize things the way they want, for maximum personal benefit. Nothing conspirational there. It's sort of like saying 'Advertising doesn't work on me'. Yes, that's why billions of $ get spent on it. Something that doesn't work.

[skydog]

....people say violent videogames or movies have no effect on them at all.

 

REALLY?

 

Is that why someone spend $ 4 million on an advert in the superbowl slot?

Edited December 28, 2012 by sinansencer

[GrandmasterP]

Freemasons in these parts tend to be my age (quite old) and businessmen.

I know one or two and they are decent sorts, not the sort you'd ever imagine at all involved in any sinister plots.

HRH The Duke of Kent is the current Grandmaster, they always have a male Royal in charge.

It's been described to me as not so much a secret society more a society with some secrets.

They raise a lot of money for charity and look after their own very well indeed.

Freemasons in other countries differ. In the USA it's quite the blue collar society whereas here it's mainly middle and upper class 'monied' membership. In Italy , from what I have read in the past the Masons are into all sorts of shady doings, but that's maybe just 'Italy' in general.

 

[Apech]

How many Illuminati does it take to illumine a light a bulb?

[Birch]

13x13x13 or ONLY ONE

 

Did I get it right Monseigneur?

[Apech]

13x13x13 or ONLY ONE

 

Did I get it right Monseigneur?

 

If you had done you would have been eliminated and not illuminated.

[GrandmasterP]

http://www.themooreshow.co.uk/past-shows.php?show_id=158

Tony Gosling was a BBC reporter, much exercised with these areas, he's here talking about Bilderberg and the Masons with a senior Mason.

No smoke without fire I suppose.

[GrandmasterP]

Misdirection is perhaps the most important component of the art of sleight of hand. The magician choreographs his actions so that all spectators are likely to look where he or she wants them to. More importantly, they do not look where the performer does not wish them to look. Two types of misdirection are timing and movement. Timing is simple: by allowing a small amount of time to pass after an action, events are skewed in the viewer's mind. Movement is a little more complicated. A phrase often used is "A larger action covers a smaller action." Care must be taken however to not make the larger action so big that it becomes suspicious.

[Birch]

 

 

If you had done you would have been eliminated and not illuminated.

 

Or promoted.

[GrandmasterP]

All together now......

((Sings))

'Underneath the arches.......

;-)

[DalTheJigsaw123]

Ok ill be more specific I know you like rap music so did/do I...but when you get into deeper awarenesss youll notice that certain types of energy come from certain things, certain belief systems and values are handed down...a lot of rap music promotes violent values instead of compassionate, forgiving, kind ones, also it instills things like ghetto/poverty mentality, blaming mentality, victim mentality etc.

 

Try to find peaceful music you like...to be honest even music that seems peaceful like bob marley is still full of messages like "gotta change the world" which is bearable but still puts me off a bit, instead of harmonious music eg everything is good now.

 

Use your own intuition to try to create your own social conditioning..

 

peace

 

This was great!

[GrandmasterP]

13x13x13 or ONLY ONE

 

Did I get it right Monseigneur?

.......

Nope.

The number of a man or a woman is 666 and it takes three illuminatii to illuminate a light bulb.

One doorkeeper to keep out the uninitiated

One mage to recite the instructions

One illuminatus to flick the switch

Edited December 28, 2012 by GrandmasterP

[Apech]

Or promoted.

 

We all ready have a Grandmaster ....