The Prophet Elijah and John the Baptist

[Immortal4life]

The Prophet Elijah and Jon the Baptist

 

Video- There has been a saying since time immemorial "From age to age I am incarnate, to aid the good in the world, and to and destroy the evil"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reM-Wbzzp2g

 

Reincarnation and the bible-

http://reincarnation..._testament.html

 

Reincarnation in Judaism-

http://www.jewishvir...ncarnation.html

 

There is a mysterious connection in the bible between John the Baptist and the Prophet Elijah. Some people suggest that what is really going on is that John the Baptist is the reincarnation of the prophet Elijah.

 

It is also very obvious to many scholars that in the bible Jesus is clearly being associated with, compared to, and being considered the new Moses in the biblical writings.

 

Moses came to teach for the age of Aries, which is why he is represented often with a Ram. The previous age before Aries was Taurus, Symbolized by a Bull. Jesus then came for the age of Pisces symbolized by the image of a fish.

 

The Return of Elijah Prophecy

"The Jewish religious leaders of Jesus' day were well aware of the 'return of Elijah' prophecy. At one time the rabbis had asked Jesus' disciples to explain how Jesus could possibly have been the Messiah when it was obvious that Elijah had not returned from heaven yet.

 

The Apostles couldn't answer this question, so they asked Jesus:

 

"Why do the Jewish leaders insist Elijah must return before the Messiah comes?"

 

Jesus answered by first affirming that this question was valid and that this prophecy indeed was true. He said:

 

"They are right. Elijah must come and set everything in order..."

 

But then, to everyone's surprise, Jesus explained:

 

"In fact, he [Elijah] already has come, but he wasn't recognized, and was badly mistreated by many... Then the disciples realized he was speaking of John the Baptist."-Matthew 17:10-13 (LIVING BIBLE-CATHOLIC EDITION) (this account can also be found in: Mark 9:11-13)

 

Clearly, Jesus taught that this was a true prophecy. Jesus agreed that Elijah indeed "must return before the Messiah comes." But then, to the surprise to everyone there, Jesus claimed that John the Baptist was the fulfillment of this prophecy. "

 

 

There are several possibilities concerning Elijah and John the Baptist.

 

1- They are the same being

 

2- John the Baptist had the same level, or was like "the new" Elijah

 

3- 1 and 2 are one in the same

 

The meaning and implications are quite interesting

"Jhn 14:11 Believe me that I [am] in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

 

Jhn 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father."

 

 

We also see that the bible portrays Jesus in the context as the new Moses, the successor of Moses, and even the reincarnation of Moses.

Jesus: The New Moses

 

Mathew intended to portray Jesus as the "new" Moses>

Sunday Homily: Jesus ? the New Moses!

 

and-

This Hebrew Lord

Jesus of Nazareth was not born in a vacuum. He came out of a very deep and rich Hebrew heritage.

 

Bible

Bible, King James Version

NEW ADVENT BIBLE: Mark 9

Matt.17

[1] And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,

[2] And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

[3] And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

[4] Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

[5] While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

[6] And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.

[7] And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.

[8] And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.

[9] And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

[10] And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?

[11] And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

[12] But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

[13] Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

[14] And when they were come to the multitude, there came to him a certain man, kneeling down to him, and saying,

[15] Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water.

[16] And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.

[17] Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.

[18] And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.

[19] Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?

[20] And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

[21] Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

[22] And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men:

[23] And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.

[24] And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?

[25] He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?

[26] Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.

[27] Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.

 

Mark.9

[1] And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

[2] And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.

[3] And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.

[4] And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

[5] And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

[6] For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.

[7] And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

[8] And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.

[9] And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.

[10] And they kept that saying with themselves, questioning one with another what the rising from the dead should mean.

[11] And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come?

[12] And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.

[13] But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.

[14] And when he came to his disciples, he saw a great multitude about them, and the scribes questioning with them.

[15] And straightway all the people, when they beheld him, were greatly amazed, and running to him saluted him.

[16] And he asked the scribes, What question ye with them?

[17] And one of the multitude answered and said, Master, I have brought unto thee my son, which hath a dumb spirit;

[18] And wheresoever he taketh him, he teareth him: and he foameth, and gnasheth with his teeth, and pineth away: and I spake to thy disciples that they should cast him out; and they could not.

[19] He answereth him, and saith, O faithless generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him unto me.

[20] And they brought him unto him: and when he saw him, straightway the spirit tare him; and he fell on the ground, and wallowed foaming.

[21] And he asked his father, How long is it ago since this came unto him? And he said, Of a child.

[22] And ofttimes it hath cast him into the fire, and into the waters, to destroy him: but if thou canst do any thing, have compassion on us, and help us.

[23] Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.

[24] And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

[25] When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him.

[26] And the spirit cried, and rent him sore, and came out of him: and he was as one dead; insomuch that many said, He is dead.

[27] But Jesus took him by the hand, and lifted him up; and he arose.

[28] And when he was come into the house, his disciples asked him privately, Why could not we cast him out?

[29] And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.

[30] And they departed thence, and passed through Galilee; and he would not that any man should know it.

[31] For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.

[32] But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him.

[33] And he came to Capernaum: and being in the house he asked them, What was it that ye disputed among yourselves by the way?

[34] But they held their peace: for by the way they had disputed among themselves, who should be the greatest.

[35] And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all.

[36] And he took a child, and set him in the midst of them: and when he had taken him in his arms, he said unto them,

[37] Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me.

[38] And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.

[39] But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

[40] For he that is not against us is on our part.

[41] For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.

[42] And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

[43] And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

[44] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

[45] And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

[46] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

[47] And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

[48] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

[49] For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.

[50] Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.

 

Essenes-

Edited January 13, 2013 by Immortal4life

[Immortal4life]

Jesus and John the Baptist-

 

Some people say that the bible is the "word of god". But the word of God is actually vibration, and the "name". The "name" or the "word" is YHVH not the bible.

 

The Chinese title of Meitreya has an interesting meaning. It indicates a certain level, and a certain type of mission

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Uncanny similarities between the Teachings of Jesus and the Teachings of Buddha. Really they are not as geographically as far from each other as people often realize-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvGXsHsFRlc

 

MUSLIM

 

"The Apostle of Allah said, 'Were there remaining but one day of the duration of all time, God would send forth a man from the people of my house, who will fill the earth with equity as it has been filled with oppression.'"--- Islam- Hadith of Abu Dawud

 

The book also refers to two bearded ones from the East:

"One goes forth as ambassador. Another awakens Itzamna Kauil (God of the Heavens) in the west."

 

HINDU

 

"Whenever there is decay of righteousness... and there is exaltation of unrighteousness, then I Myself come forth... for the destruction of evil-doers, for the sake of firmly establishing righteousness, I am born from age to age." --- KRISHNA- Bhagavad Gita- fourth discourse

 

CHRISTIANITY

 

"If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter... he shall teach you all things." --- JESUS- John 14

 

"Him that overcometh... I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the... new Jerusalem... and I will write upon him my new name." --- JESUS- Revelation 3

 

BUDDHIST

 

"I am not the first Buddha who came upon earth, nor shall I be the last. In due time another Buddha will arise in the world, a Holy One... He will reveal to you the same eternal truths which I have taught you... He will proclaim a religious life, wholly perfect and pure; such as I now proclaim." ---BUDDHA- The Gospel of Buddha

 

"In those days, brethren, there will arise in the world an Exalted One named Metteya. He will be an Arahant, Fully Awakened, abounding in wisdom and goodness, happy, with knowledge of the worlds, unsurpassed as a guide to mortals willing to be led, a teacher for gods and men, an Exalted One, a Buddha, even as I am now... The Law, lovely in its origin, lovely in its progress, lovely in its consummation, will he proclaim, both in the spirit and in the letter; the higher life will he make known, in all its fullness and in all its purity, even as I do now. He will be accompanied by a congregation of some thousands of brethren, even as I am now accompanied by a congregation of some hundreds of brethren."--- BUDDHA- Digha Nikaya iii.76, Chakkavatti Sihanada Suttanta

 

HINDU

 

"When the practices taught by the Vedas and the institutes of law shall nearly have ceased, and the close of the Kali age shall be nigh, a portion of that divine being who exists of his own spiritual nature in the character of Brahma, and who is the beginning and the end, and who comprehends all things, shall descend upon the earth. He will be born as Kalki in the family of an eminent brahmin of Sambhala village, endowed with the eight superhuman faculties. By his irresistible might he will destroy all the barbarians and thieves, and all whose minds are devoted to iniquity. He will then re-establish righteousness upon earth; and the minds of those who live at the end of the Kali age shall be awakened, and shall be as pellucid as crystal. The men who are thus changed by virtue of that peculiar time shall be as the seeds of human beings, and shall give birth to a race who shall follow the laws of the Krita age, the Age of Purity." --- Hinduism- Vishnu Purana 4.24

 

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[OnPhourCoughee]

Lolzzz, this is why I say Christian'ish. When I say I'm a Reincarnationalist to other Christians I've two heads.

But reincarnation answered a question for me. Why would God send people to hell, or into nothingness for just not being 'saved'? My God does not. I'm not 100% sure on 'Jesus' and that being born again thing, cuz John was written in Greek and he, Jesus would not have spoke Greek so likely never said this. The Greek was a play on words, in Greek, and a cordially to John Jesus meant bein born from above vs. born again. The word play was later lost. The church tried to take out reincarnation. Thankfully they missed most of it.

"I want to go to heaven but I don't want to go tonight." Or for a long while.

Edited January 3, 2013 by OnPhourCoughee

[Immortal4life]

Yeah, anything that could truly empower people would be taken out by those in power, the numerology and Kabbalah elements as well.

Edited January 3, 2013 by Immortal4life

[ShenLung]

OnPhour and I were just discussing this, and Cayce on the phone earlier this evening, immortal ... sychronicty, much ? She informed me that Cayce, upon realising that he was giving people past life information, had to stop and go look for the evidence of reincarnation in the bible. Having found it, he then continued to do so. Kinda neat.

Edited January 3, 2013 by ShenLung

[Cat Pillar]

I didn't know that about Cayce. Very interesting.

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

well hey, im the spirit of truth here to aid the next incarnation of messiah (im not even sure if im joking or not anymore, stranger things have happened.... I think...? I hope...)

[GrandmasterP]

The whole Bible is a record of practical spiritualism.

Apports, manifestations, angels, talking donkeys, seers, scryers, pythonesses, prophets ( old name for mediums), physical seances; reincarnation, the whole shebang.

Cracking book here for anyone interested...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/First-Encounter-With-Angel-Revelations/dp/1891850210/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1357221606&sr=8-1-spell

Edited January 3, 2013 by GrandmasterP

[Immortal4life]

OnPhour and I were just discussing this, and Cayce on the phone earlier this evening, immortal ... sychronicty, much ? She informed me that Cayce, upon realising that he was giving people past life information, had to stop and go look for the evidence of reincarnation in the bible. Having found it, he then continued to do so. Kinda neat.

 

Yes, he reputedly read the Bible one time through for every year of his life.

[GrandmasterP]

Top lad was old Edgar Cayce and his work continues down to this day.

Good courses available here....

http://www.edgarcayce.org/are/education.aspx

Edited January 4, 2013 by GrandmasterP