voidisyinyang Posted June 13, 2013 Rep. Peter King wants to prosecute reporters. That violates the 1st. amendment! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/11/peter-king-reporters-prosecuted_n_3424541.html yep fascism is now liberal!! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zerostao Posted June 13, 2013 yep fascism is now liberal!! not in the true sense of the word liberal as is the same case as fascism was never conservative but fascist forces have infiltrated and poisoned both ends of the political spectrum. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voidisyinyang Posted June 13, 2013 http://www.democracynow.org/2013/6/13/chris_pyle_whistleblower_on_cia_domestic So... some context for Big Brother in the U.S. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gendao Posted June 14, 2013 (edited) "the us is behaving like china" -ai weiwei http://www.guardian....hina?CMP=twt_gu They're actually worse than China. They lie, and continue to lie to us. If they were merely collecting "metadata," there'd be no need for their massive new data storage center - whose theoretical yotta byte capacity would be designed for MASSIVE CONTENT archival, not "just" tracking data. A yottabyte is about a million, billion, billion bytes. A typical data plan runs at about a billion bytes per month. Alternatively, an audio codec runs at about a thousand bytes per second which, if you talked ten hours per day for 30 days would also put you at about a billion bytes per month. We are approaching ten billion cell phones in the world. So if my math is right, this place can store 10,000 months', or about 1000 years' worth of cellular information on everyone in existence, and that's if the world tried hard enough. Most cell phones lay dormant. Most cell phone users use only a fraction of their data plan. Now I'm not saying the NSA is spying on you, and I'm not saying it isn't. All I'm saying is that if this facility actually has a yottabyte of storage, it isn't merely capable of storing the world's phone logs. It's capable of archiving much of the the entire world's electronic footprint for a very long time. Whereas, China basically is what it says it is. They don't deny surveillance, nor angrily accuse others of hacking like a 5-yo. In fact, they responded in a very restrained, mature manner to all of the US's histrionic accusations: On Wednesday, China's Internet security chief told state media that Beijing has amassed large amounts of data about U.S.-based hacking attacks against China but refrains from blaming the White House or the Pentagon because it would be irresponsible. Meanwhile, some of their blocking of foreign spyware looks prudent now. First, it provides an instant justification for China’s blocking of US social media services such as Facebook and Twitter, and its hostile attitude to Apple, although Apple products are made in China. The way it has encouraged domestic services such as Sina Weibo and phonemakers such as Xiaomi once seemed like trade protection. Now it looks prudent. It also makes US politicians’ objections to the attempted entry of Huawei, the Chinese telecoms equipment maker, to the US market seem hypocritical. As they blocked Huawei on the grounds that it was linked to the People’s Liberation Army, and its software could be used to spy on the US, they seem to have been covertly approving the NSA’s own foreign network surveillance. The US is literally the loudest, biggest hypocrite on this planet. Edited June 14, 2013 by vortex Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralis Posted June 14, 2013 This must be the real reason we are being surveilled. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/14/nsa-prism-pentagon-bracing-for-anti-government-activism-over-climate-change-disasters/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joeblast Posted June 14, 2013 (edited) the co2 issue is pure straw, another distraction, another potential source of tax revenue, a distraction from actual real pollution. if the government never saw the potential for the issue, they never would have subsidized the hell out of any and every paper that made mention of "global warming" affecting well, damn near anything. say the name and the grant gets accepted. none of us would know who the hell James Hansen is were it not for the government's "interest" in the situation. its just odd that some people find the government's fingerprints all over some things, but then where they are all over something else, the eyes get closed and fingers put in the ears. Its boring striking this issue down time and again, and the more technical it gets, the quicker the thread empties of agw supporters. correlation is not causation, and if you're conflating the two you get off track pretty quickly. that's just about all you need to know on this issue. Edited June 14, 2013 by joeblast Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joeblast Posted June 14, 2013 http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-14/russian-mp-accuses-us-fabricating-syrian-chemical-weapons-report Russian MP Accuses U.S. Of Fabricating Syrian Chemical Weapons Report Following yesterday's "news" that the US is rerunning the Iraq invasion script has been busy collecting made up solid evidence proving the Syrian government has used chemical weapons, which it would use as a basis for yet another foreign intervention including a no-fly zone and arming the Syrian rebels (just to accelerate the passage of a Qatari natgas pipeline into Europe, bypassing Gazprom, and installing another puppet Muslim Brotherhood government in the Mid-East), the entire world waited with bated breath to learn what Russia's response, and remember to Russia Syria is a key geopolitical outpost and critical national interest, to US allegations would be. The wait was short-lived. As Novosti reports at least someone, somewhere has had the guts to call out this farce of an intervention from an official standpoint: "A US government report concluding Syria has used chemical weapons against rebels, crossing what US President Barack Obama has previously described as a “red line,” is a fabrication, a senior Russian lawmaker said Friday. "Information about the usage of chemical weapons by Assad is fabricated in the same way as the lie about Hussein's weapons of mass destruction.” Alexei Pushkov, head of the Russian lower house of parliament’s international affairs committee, said on Twitter. The truth-telling continues: President Obama “is going the same way” as former President George W. Bush did then, Pushkov said. Pushkov is known for also being quite a truth-teller in the past. From June of 2012: I think that what we had been hearing from the US is very partial. Somehow the US thinks that the only source of civil war in Syria is the government, which is not the case. There are 33 thousand people who are fighting the Syrian government, and they’re fighting the Syrian government with heavy weapons, not just Kalashnikovs and pistols. It’s heavy machine guns, it’s anti-tank guns and all of this armament was on display when a ship coming from Libya full of US weapons was arrested in Lebanon. On the photos you can see what kind of armament was sent to the insurgents. It’s Syrian force which has been trained outside of Syria. Some of them are really professional fighters. There’s some information about people who have been fighting in Libya, now are fighting on the side of the insurgents. I think that the US had better look at what kind of people they try to support there and what these people will bring to Damascus. Until now Syria was a secular country where different ethnicities and different religious factions were living in peace and for many years, - that’s very valuable. You have Christians, Sunnis, Alawis, Druze, Kurds and quite a few other groups. And if all of this explodes, I don’t think that we’ll have 10 thousand victims, we’ll have maybe 100 thousand victims. Russia wants to prevent this explosion. What we hear from our Western partners is that Assad should go and they are willing to support the insurgency. But supporting the insurgency, they are basically throwing oil into the flame. That is why Russia suggested having international conference where we can try to find the solution that would be proposed to both sides in the Syrian conflict. The key Russian position is that we are ready to influence Assad’s government, but the West should influence the insurgents. Otherwise it will not work out. Do you think that the Western media was unfairly portraying Russia? I think one of the reasons the West has been so critical about Russia in the Syrian issue is that the West doesn’t have the policy at all towards Syria. I’m not pretending that Russia has the answers, but Russia fulfills a very important role for the Western media. By this could not criticize their own governments for not having any kind of solutions. Because the only political program the West has is that Assad should go. OK, what happens after Assad goes? How the regime falls? Who will come in its place? Is Russia prepared for that situation? Russia is ready to look for answers together with Western countries. And we don’t accept this kind of criticism. And we don’t accept this kind of mythology that insurgents are poor foreign people. Because we know very well that they have been financed and armed by monarchies of the Persian Gulf. They don’t even hide this fact and I hardly see a situation where democracy in Syria will be established with the help of Saudi Arabia and Qatar. And finally there have been some accusation that Russian foreign policy towards Syria is driven by its business interests. How do you respond to that? I think that the most important thing is not business. Syria doesn’t play such a huge role in Russian foreign trade. The key factor in the Russian position is a very clear stand against the so-called regime change, against the so-called humanitarian intervention. We think that the Libyan example showed that these kinds of interventions lead to chaos and to the creation of a parallel international law: when you have a UN charter and at the same time you have some kind of parallel law which is being conducted by either friends of Syria or the Coalition of the Willing, something which goes around the UN rules or charters. We don’t want to accept a world where there would be another international law instead of internationally accepted one. Syria is just a very serious example of the Russian desire to fight for international law which is universally accepted. Ah, the new normal: when Russia is telling the truth, and the USSA is openly lying. Things will get more interesting when instead of using a proxy to tell the world how he feels, Putin actually takes the microphone in one of his signature brutally candid exposes. Also being former KGB, who knows just what revelations he may bring to the table regarding claims of prior "humanitarian" US interventions around the world, liberating so much crude oil from the heathen natives. Things will get most interesting when the Russian armada currently stationed in Cyprus and swimming around in the Mediterranean, decides to park in the Russian naval base in Tartus. Because last we checked it was a no-fly zone, not a no-sail zone... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joeblast Posted June 14, 2013 http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-14/thousands-firms-trade-confidential-data-us-government-exchange-classified-intelligen Thousands Of Firms Trade Confidential Data With The US Government In Exchange For Classified Intelligence The rabbit hole just got deeper. A whole lot deeper. On Sunday we predicated that "there's one reason why the administration, James Clapper and the NSA should just keep their mouths shut as the PRISM-gate fallout escalates: with every incremental attempt to refute some previously unknown facet of the US Big Brother state, a new piece of previously unleaked information from the same intelligence organization now scrambling for damage control, emerges and exposes the brand new narrative as yet another lie, forcing even more lies, more retribution against sources, more journalist persecution and so on." And like a hole that just gets deeper the more you dug and exposes ever more dirt, tonight's installment revealing one more facet of the conversion of a once great republic into a great fascist, "big brother" state, comes from Bloomberg which reports that "thousands of technology, finance and manufacturing companies are working closely with U.S. national security agencies, providing sensitive information and in return receiving benefits that include access to classified intelligence, four people familiar with the process said." The companies extend far wider than the legacy telcos, such as Verizon, that launched the entire NSA-spying scandal a week ago: "Makers of hardware and software, banks, Internet security providers, satellite telecommunications companies and many other companies also participate in the government programs. In some cases, the information gathered may be used not just to defend the nation but to help infiltrate computers of its adversaries." Many of these same Internet and telecommunications companies voluntarily provide U.S. intelligence organizations with additional data, such as equipment specifications, that don’t involve private communications of their customers, the four people said. And since what goes on behind the scenes is confidential, literally anything goes: "Along with the NSA, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and branches of the U.S. military have agreements with such companies to gather data that might seem innocuous but could be highly useful in the hands of U.S. intelligence or cyber warfare units, according to the people, who have either worked for the government or are in companies that have these accords." Some of the back and forth is innocuous, such as Microsoft revealing ahead of time the nature of its exposed bugs (ostensibly providing the government with a back door into any system using a Microsoft OS, but since it's don't ask, dont' tell, nobody really knows). However the bulk of the interaction is steeped in secrecy: "Most of the arrangements are so sensitive that only a handful of people in a company know of them, and they are sometimes brokered directly between chief executive officers and the heads of the U.S.’s major spy agencies, the people familiar with those programs said." More on this "company within a company": Typically, a key executive at a company and a small number of technical people cooperate with different agencies and sometimes multiple units within an agency, according to the four people who described the arrangements. If necessary, a company executive, known as a “committing officer,” is given documents that guarantee immunity from civil actions resulting from the transfer of data. The companies are provided with regular updates, which may include the broad parameters of how that information is used. Remember how they say conspiracies are impossible because too many people know about them, and the information always eventually leaks? Well not if you contain it to a handful of people in any organization, and force them to sign a bloody NDA, pledging one's first born in the case of secrecy breach. An example of a company that is happy to "communicate" with tht the government is Intel's McAfee internet security unit, which in addition to everything is one giant backdoor entrance for the government. If need be of course: Intel Corp. (INTC)’s McAfee unit, which makes Internet security software, regularly cooperates with the NSA, FBI and the CIA, for example, and is a valuable partner because of its broad view of malicious Internet traffic, including espionage operations by foreign powers, according to one of the four people, who is familiar with the arrangement. Such a relationship would start with an approach to McAfee’s chief executive, who would then clear specific individuals to work with investigators or provide the requested data, the person said. The public would be surprised at how much help the government seeks, the person said. McAfee firewalls collect information on hackers who use legitimate servers to do their work, and the company data can be used to pinpoint where attacks begin. The company also has knowledge of the architecture of information networks worldwide, which may be useful to spy agencies who tap into them, the person said. Google, another participant in PRISM, already lied about its participation in the covert-op: Following an attack on his company by Chinese hackers in 2010, Sergey Brin, Google’s co-founder, was provided with highly sensitive government intelligence linking the attack to a specific unit of the People’s Liberation Army, China’s military, according to one of the people, who is familiar with the government’s investigation. Brin was given a temporary classified clearance to sit in on the briefing, the person said. According to information provided by Snowden, Google, owner of the world’s most popular search engine, had at that point been a Prism participant for more than a year. Google CEO Larry Page said in a blog posting June 7 that he hadn’t heard of a program called Prism until after Snowden’s disclosures and that the Mountain View, California-based company didn’t allow the U.S. government direct access to its servers or some back-door to its data centers. He said Google provides user data to governments “only in accordance with the law.” Ah yes, the law that no mere mortal can observe in action, and which has zero popular checks and balances. So what specifically does Google provide to the government? "Highly offensive information" it appears. That metadata includes which version of the operating system, browser and Java software are being used on millions of devices around the world, information that U.S. spy agencies could use to infiltrate those computers or phones and spy on their users. “It’s highly offensive information,” said Glenn Chisholm, the former chief information officer for Telstra Corp (TLS)., one of Australia’s largest telecommunications companies, contrasting it to defensive information used to protect computers rather than infiltrate them. Going back to Obama's promise on live TV that nobody was listening in to any conversations, one wonders: why did the major telecom companies "ask for guarantees that they wouldn’t be held liable under U.S. wiretap laws." Because if the companies demanded a waiver, they obviously were wiretapping, i.e., eavesdropping, and doing so on US citizens, or those protected by US laws. And that's why Obama should have just kept his mouth shut, instead of having to explain what he meant and that he never said what he said. Before they agreed to install the system on their networks, some of the five major Internet companies -- AT&T Inc. (T), Verizon Communications Inc (VZ)., Sprint Nextel Corp. (S), Level 3 Communications Inc (LVLT). and CenturyLink Inc (CTL). -- asked for guarantees that they wouldn’t be held liable under U.S. wiretap laws. Those companies that asked received a letter signed by the U.S. attorney general indicating such exposure didn’t meet the legal definition of a wiretap and granting them immunity from civil lawsuits, the person said. Ah, the US Attorney General - because what is another Obama scandal that doesn't involve his primary henchman Eric Holder... Mark Siegel, a spokesman for Dallas-based AT&T, the nation’s biggestphone carrier, declined to comment. Edward McFadden, a spokesman forNew York-based Verizon, the second-largest phone company, declined tocomment. Scott Sloat, a spokesman for Overland Park, Kansas-basedSprint, and Monica Martinez, a spokeswoman for Broomfield,Colorado-based Level 3, didn’t immediately respond to requests forcomment. No need to comment - it's quite clear. The last question remains: what do companies get out of this proactive betrayal of their clients? Well, in some cases, such as those of IBM and Amazon as we described yesterday, they get lucrative government (CIA) contracts for billions of dollars. But that's just taxpayer cash. Where it gets worse is when the kickbacks are yet more secrets. In exchange, leaders of companies are showered with attention and information by the agencies to help maintain the relationship, the person said. In other cases, companies are given quick warnings about threats that could affect their bottom line, including serious Internet attacks and who is behind them. In other words, what is going on behind the scenes is nothing more than one vast, very selective, extremely secretive, symbiotic and perfectly "legal" giant information exchange network, which allows corporations to profit off classified government information either in kind or in cash, and which allows the government to have all the information at its disposal, collected using public and private venues, in order to protect itself, to take out those it designates as targets, or simply said - to get ever bigger. The loser in all of this? You. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joeblast Posted June 14, 2013 (edited) 22 Nauseating Quotes From Hypocritical Establishment Politicians About The NSA Spying Scandal Submitted by Michael Snyder of The Economic Collapse blog, Establishment politicians from both major political parties are rushing to defend the NSA and condemn whistleblower Edward Snowden. They are attempting to portray Edward Snowden as a "traitor" and the spooks over at the NSA that are snooping on all of us as "heroes". In fact, many of the exact same politicians that once railed against government spying during the Bush years are now staunchly defending it now that Obama is in the White House. But it isn't just Democrats that are acting shamefully. Large numbers of Republican politicians that love to give speeches about "freedom" and "liberty" are attempting to eviscerate the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The government is not supposed to invade our privacy and investigate us unless there is probable cause to do so. Apparently many of our politicians misunderstood when they read the novel 1984 by George Orwell. It wasn't supposed to be an instruction manual. We should be thanking Edward Snowden for exposing the deep corruption that is eating away at our own government like cancer. Now the American people need to pick up the ball and start demanding answers, because without a doubt we are going to see establishment politicians from both major political parties try to shut this scandal down. Establishment Democrats and establishment Republicans both love the Big Brother surveillance grid that the U.S. government has constructed, and they are both making it abundantly clear that they will defend the NSA to the very end. The following are 22 nauseating quotes from hypocritical establishment politicians that show exactly how they feel about the NSA spying scandal... #1 Barack Obama: "I think it’s important to understand that you can’t have 100 percent security and then have 100 percent privacy and zero inconvenience. We’re going to have to make some choices as a society." #2 Barack Obama in 2007: "This Administration also puts forward a false choice between the liberties we cherish and the security we demand… That means no more illegal wire-tapping of American citizens. No more national security letters to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime. No more tracking citizens who do nothing more than protest a misguided war. No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient. That is not who we are. And it is not what is necessary to defeat the terrorists… We will again set an example for the world that the law is not subject to the whims of stubborn rulers, and that justice is not arbitrary." #3 Speaker Of The House John Boehner on what he thinks about NSA leaker Edward Snowden: "He’s a traitor." #4 U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham: "I hope we follow Mr. Snowden to the ends of the Earth to bring him to justice." #5 U.S. Senator Al Franken: "I can assure you, this is not about spying on the American people." #6 Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid: "For senators to complain that they didn’t know this was happening, we had many, many meetings that have been both classified and unclassified that members have been invited to" #7 U.S. Senator Mitch McConnell: "Given the scope of these programs, it’s understandable that many would be concerned about issues related to privacy. But what’s difficult to understand is the motivation of somebody who intentionally would seek to warn the nation’s enemies of lawful programs created to protect the American people. And I hope that he is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law." #8 U.S. Representative Peter King on why he believes that reporters should be prosecuted for revealing NSA secrets: "There is an obligation both moral, but also legal, I believe, against a reporter disclosing something which would so severely compromise national security." #9 Director of National Intelligence James Clapper making a joke during an awards ceremony last Friday night: "Some of you expressed surprise that I showed up—so many emails to read!" #10 Director Of National Intelligence James Clapper about why he lied about NSA spying in front of Congress: "I responded in what I thought was the most truthful, or least untruthful manner" #11 National Security Council spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden: "The president has full faith in director Clapper and his leadership of the intelligence community" #12 White House press secretary Jay Carney: "...Clapper has been straight and direct in the answers that he's given, and has actively engaged in an effort to provide more information about the programs that have been revealed through the leak of classified information" #13 Dianne Feinstein, the chairwoman of the Senate intelligence committee: "There is no more direct or honest person than Jim Clapper." #14 Gus Hunt, the chief technology officer at the CIA: "We fundamentally try to collect everything and hang onto it forever." #15 Barack Obama: "Nobody is listening to your telephone calls." #16 Keith Alexander, director of the National Security Agency: "We do not see a tradeoff between security and liberty." #17 An exchange between NSA director Keith Alexander and U.S. Representative Hank Johnson in March 2012... JOHNSON: Does the NSA routinely intercept American citizens’ emails? ALEXANDER: No. JOHNSON: Does the NSA intercept Americans’ cell phone conversations? ALEXANDER: No. JOHNSON: Google searches? ALEXANDER: No. JOHNSON: Text messages? ALEXANDER: No. JOHNSON: Amazon.com orders? ALEXANDER: No. JOHNSON: Bank records? ALEXANDER: No. #18 Deputy White House press secretary Dana Perino: "The intelligence activities undertaken by the United States government are lawful, necessary and required to protect Americans from terrorist attacks" #19 U.S. Senator Saxby Chambliss: "This is nothing new. It has proved meritorious because we have gathered significant information on bad guys and only on bad guys over the years." #20 Former U.N. Ambassador John Bolton on NSA leaker Edward Snowden: "Let me ask, who died and made him king? Who gave him the authority to endanger 300 million Americans? That's not the way it works, and if he thinks he can get away with that, he's got another think coming." #21 Senior spokesman for the NSA Don Weber: "Given the nature of the work we do, it would be irresponsible to comment on actual or alleged operational issues; therefore, we have no information to provide" #22 The White House website: "My administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration." Right now, the NSA is building a data collection center out in Utah that is so massive that it is hard to describe with words. It is going to cost 40 million dollars a year just to provide the energy needed to run it. According to a 2012 Wired article entitled "The NSA Is Building the Country’s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say)", this data center will contain "the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Google searches" in addition to "parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases" and anything else that the NSA decides to collect... Under construction by contractors with top-secret clearances, the blandly named Utah Data Center is being built for the National Security Agency. A project of immense secrecy, it is the final piece in a complex puzzle assembled over the past decade. Its purpose: to intercept, decipher, analyze, and store vast swaths of the world’s communications as they zap down from satellites and zip through the underground and undersea cables of international, foreign, and domestic networks. The heavily fortified $2 billion center should be up and running in September 2013. Flowing through its servers and routers and stored in near-bottomless databases will be all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Google searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails—parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital “pocket litter.” It is, in some measure, the realization of the “total information awareness” program created during the first term of the Bush administration—an effort that was killed by Congress in 2003 after it caused an outcry over its potential for invading Americans’ privacy. The goal is to know as much about everyone on the planet as possible. And the NSA does not keep this information to itself. As an article in USA Today recently reported, the NSA shares the data that it collects with other government agencies "as a matter of practice"... As a matter of practice, the NSA regularly shares its information — known as "product" in intelligence circles — with other intelligence groups. So when the NSA collects information about you, there is a very good chance that the FBI, the CIA, the Department of Homeland Security and the IRS will have access to it as well. But the U.S. government is not the only one collecting data on American citizens. Guess who else has been collecting massive amounts of data on the American people? Barack Obama. According to those that have seen it, the "Obama database" is unlike anything that any politician has ever put together before. According to CNSNews.com, U.S. Representative Maxine Waters says that this database "will have information about everything on every individual"... "The president has put in place an organization that contains a kind of database that no one has ever seen before in life," she added. "That’s going to be very, very powerful." Martin asked if Waters if she was referring to "Organizing for America." "That’s right, that’s right," Waters said. "And that database will have information about everything on every individual in ways that it’s never been done before." Waters said the database would also serve future Democratic candidates seeking the presidency. Perhaps this helps to explain why so many big donors got slapped with IRS audits immediately after they wrote big checks to the Romney campaign. We are being told to "trust" Barack Obama and the massive government surveillance grid that is being constructed all around us, but there has been example after example of government power being grossly abused in recent years. A lot of Americans say that they do not care if the government is watching them because they do not have anything to hide, but is there anyone out there that would really not mind the government watching them and listening to them 24 hours a day? For example, it has been documented that NSA workers eavesdropped on conversations between U.S. soldiers serving in Iraq and their loved ones back home. Some of these conversations involved very intimate talk between husbands and wives. The following is from a 2008 ABC News story... Faulk says he and others in his section of the NSA facility at Fort Gordon routinely shared salacious or tantalizing phone calls that had been intercepted, alerting office mates to certain time codes of "cuts" that were available on each operator's computer. "Hey, check this out," Faulk says he would be told, "there's good phone sex or there's some pillow talk, pull up this call, it's really funny, go check it out. It would be some colonel making pillow talk and we would say, 'Wow, this was crazy'," Faulk told ABC News. Faulk said he joined in to listen, and talk about it during breaks in Back Hall's "smoke pit," but ended up feeling badly about his actions. Is this really what we want the future of America to look like? Do we really want the government to watch us and listen to us during our most intimate moments? Edited June 14, 2013 by joeblast 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zerostao Posted June 14, 2013 i reckon if i lied to a congressional hearing under oath ,i would be treated differently than keith alexander. probably jail time for me. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voidisyinyang Posted June 14, 2013 . correlation is not causation, and if you're conflating the two you get off track pretty quickly. that's just about all you need to know on this issue. http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-10/uov-qcr100212.php Quantum causal relations: A causes B causes A "But if we believe that quantum mechanics governs all phenomena, it is natural to expect that the order of events could also be indefinite, similarly to the location of a particle or its velocity", adds Fabio Costa from the University of Vienna. The work provides an important step towards understanding that definite causal order might not be a mandatory property of nature. "The real challenge is finding out where in nature we should look for superpositions of causal orders", explains Caslav Brukner from the Quantum Optics, Quantum Nanophysics, Quantum Information group of the University of Vienna. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joeblast Posted June 14, 2013 heh, now make it work classically - good luck! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gendao Posted June 15, 2013 (edited) Microsoft tells the U.S. government about bugs in its notoriously buggy software before it fixes them so that intelligence agencies can use the vulnerabilities for the purposes of cyberspying. telecoms give intelligence agencies access to facilities and data "offshore" so that they don't have to go through a judge to get permission. McAfee "regularly cooperates" with the U.S. government, handing over all the information on hackers that its firewalls collect. U.S. government is buddy-buddy with private technology companies. Not only do you have to give up your right to privacy; turns out, we don't even have the right to quick bug fixes. It should be obvious by now that NW0bama's mass surveillance program is not primarily for anti-terorism, but anti-disension to persecute all their political foes. These dissidents include peaceful, conscientious anti-war, anti-po!ice state, anti-fraking, environmental, anti-GM0, investigative, anti-0bama, gun rights, etc. activists. In short, TRUE patriots defending freedom...the very antithesis of terorists!!! CBS: Someone tampered with reporter's computer Private investigators found that CBS News Washington reporter Sharyl Attkisson's computer was tampered with multiple times late last year, the network said Friday. CBS said an intruder, working remotely using Attkisson's accounts, executed commands involving the search and filtering of data. The network said it is taking further steps to identify the intruder and how that person gained access to her computer. CBS hired a cybersecurity firm to conduct the analysis. Attkisson, an investigative reporter who has worked at CBS since 1995, said three weeks ago that she thought someone had tampered with her computers. In an interview with Philadelphia's WPHT radio on May 21, Attkisson said "there could be some relationship" between what has happened to her and to James Rosen, the chief Washington correspondent for Fox News Channel. In what appeared to be a leak investigation, law enforcement officials obtained a search warrant to obtain some of Rosen's private emails and tracked his comings and goings from the State Department. Attkisson said she had been having problems with a computer in her house since at least February 2011. At that time, she said, she was investigating the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' "Fast and Furious" gun-smuggling sting operation and stimulus spending on clean-energy projects. Attkisson won an Emmy award for her "Fast and Furious" investigation. In another leak probe, prosecutors secretly subpoenaed phone records from The Associated Press. In its analysis, the cybersecurity firm said that whoever tampered with Attkisson's computer "used sophisticated methods to remove all possible indications of unauthorized activity, and alter system times to cause further confusion." CBS News says reporter's computer was hacked A CBS News investigative reporter's computer was remotely accessed by an unauthorized party several times late last year, the news organization said on Friday, citing an analysis by an outside cyber security firm. The review found that Washington-based reporter Sharyl Attkisson's computer "was accessed by an unauthorized, external, unknown party on multiple occasions late in 2012," CBS News spokeswoman Sonya McNair said in a statement. The forensic analysis showed the hacker appeared to have searched and extracted data, and then "used sophisticated methods" to cover up the unauthorized activity, McNair added. McNair said CBS News is "taking steps to identify the responsible party and their method of access." Attkisson is known for reporting on the anti-gun-trafficking program Operation Fast and Furious, as well as on the attack in September on the U.S. outpost in Benghazi, Libya, in which the U.S. ambassador to Libya was killed. Fast and Furious was aimed at slowing the flow of illegal firearms from Arizona to Mexico but instead it allowed some weapons to be trafficked. A Justice Department internal watchdog later condemned the program's strategy of ignoring low-level gun purchases, and several department officials including the U.S. attorney in Arizona resigned. After Attkisson revealed the compromise of her computer in a radio interview last month, a Justice Department spokesman told the Politico newspaper that prosecutors were not involved. The department gathered data on reporters of at least two other news outlets, the Associated Press and Fox News, for recent leak investigations. Attkisson said in the radio interview that the hacking began in February 2011 when she was reporting on stories critical of the Obama administration, including the gun operation, according to Politico. Both her work and her home computers may have been targeted, she said in the interview. Media organizations in the United States and around the world have reported a string of attacks on their computers or records. The New York Times, Washington Post and Wall Street Journal all have reported infiltration they said was linked to Chinese hackers targeting their coverage of the Asian powerhouse nation. Social media, too, has been a target. Facebook in February said sophisticated hackers who appeared to be from China had infiltrated its network. Twitter also that month said it had been compromised. CBS is also among the media outlets targeted by Syrian government supporters in recent months. Others targeted included the Financial Times, ITV News, BBC, Reuters and the Associated Press. The attacks - some directed at websites and others at Twitter feeds - were linked to the Syrian Electronic Army, an online group that supports Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, media organizations said. The political motivation alone here clearly reveal the perps. As soon as Sharyl started investigating scandals by the Obama administration - her computer started getting hacked by an extremely sophisticated agency. The Obama administration conveniently scapegoats "China" for all this - but it's pretty obvious who's really to blame now... The N5A is just bouncing their attax off Chinese servers (if even that) to provide themselves convenient cover and blame China for all their fa!se f!ag cyber attax. I mean, why would "Chinese hakers" care to investigate investigative US journalists exposing Obama's domestic dirt? Give me a fuxin break! 27.04.2009 the American decent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people. First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about our "democracy". Pride blind the foolish. The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. They are also usurping the rights, duties and powers of the American congress (parliament). Again, congress has put up little more then a whimper to their masters. Edited June 15, 2013 by vortex Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zerostao Posted June 16, 2013 sounds about par for the course,,,,, http://news.yahoo.com/majority-senate-skipped-classified-prism-briefing-191810067.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johndoe2012 Posted June 16, 2013 (edited) . Edited August 18, 2013 by chris d Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zerostao Posted June 17, 2013 interesting to compare nixon's "crimes" that led to his impeachment in 1973, to what is going on all over d.c. now. d.c. = dis-connect Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted June 17, 2013 Shall we impeach Washington D.C.? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zerostao Posted June 17, 2013 such an exquisite idea! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted June 17, 2013 Here in Florida we have a law that has been violated in recent years and I think we Floridians need to insist that our politicians comply with the law. It is called "The Sunshine Law". It basically states that our government must conduct "ALL" its business in the open, not behind closed doors, and open to the public. I think that our federal government should also have such a law. No, I'm not talking about the technical stuff that would put Americans in harm's way but rather that what, but not necessarily how, our government is doing to serve and protect us, the American people. It is my opinion that if our government does things behind closed doors it is because it is something that the majority of Americans would not approve of and therefore they want to hide it from us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralis Posted June 17, 2013 I just placed this book on reserve to pick up this evening at my library. Reading Chris Hedges can be unnerving. http://www.amazon.com/American-Fascists-Christian-Right-America/dp/B001O9CBAI/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1371513181&sr=1-6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gendao Posted June 18, 2013 Here in Florida we have a law that has been violated in recent years and I think we Floridians need to insist that our politicians comply with the law. It is called "The Sunshine Law". It basically states that our government must conduct "ALL" its business in the open, not behind closed doors, and open to the public. I think that our federal government should also have such a law. No, I'm not talking about the technical stuff that would put Americans in harm's way but rather that what, but not necessarily how, our government is doing to serve and protect us, the American people. It is my opinion that if our government does things behind closed doors it is because it is something that the majority of Americans would not approve of and therefore they want to hide it from us. Interesting, considering FL is also a Constitution-free coastal border zone? At least ES has been garnering some strong popular support in HK/China so far: In a poll on the website of the Global Times, a popular tabloid published by the Communist Party's official People's Daily, 98 percent of respondents said China should refuse to send him back to the United States. "Unlike a common criminal, Snowden did not hurt anybody. His 'crime' is that he blew the whistle on the U.S. government's violation of civil rights," the newspaper said in an editorial. "His whistle-blowing is in the global public interest. Therefore, extraditing Snowden back to the U.S. would not only be a betrayal of Snowden's trust, but a disappointment for expectations around the world. The image of Hong Kong would be forever tarnished." 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted June 18, 2013 (edited) At least ES has been garnering some strong popular support in HK/China so far: Yeah, I would really be sadden if he had to run off to some place like Mainland China or Russia. Edited June 18, 2013 by Marblehead Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralis Posted June 18, 2013 Latest Snowden interview. Possibly more to be revealed this week. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/17/edward-snowden-truth-is-coming-and-it-cannot-be-stopped/ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralis Posted June 19, 2013 FBI director Robert Mueller confirms the use of drones in the U.S. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/19/robert-mueller-drones_n_3466400.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aaron Posted June 19, 2013 Everyone knows this is going on, but we're all so complacent that we don't do anything about it. If any of this crap had happened before the age of George Bush, there would've been hell to pay, but we were inundated with the same message "we are doing this to fight terrorism" that we stopped questioning what was going on and just closed our eyes, believing everything would work out in the end. Well guess what, it's not alright. I created a thread awhile ago asking if the West was descending into fascism, a few people managed to derail it and get it thrown in the pit. Well I think that's a travesty, especially when this thread, one that supports fascism has been going strong. My point is this... we're already a fascist state, we just don't know it yet. The government can do anything they want to you and all they have to say is that you're a terrorist. They can monitor you without a warrant, lock you away for the rest of your life, and never have to answer to anyone for it, just so long as they call you a terrorist, If that's not a fascist state, I don't know what is. Aaron 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites