Serious question for those cultivating celibacy or retention forms.

[GrandmasterP]

Is retention and/or celibacy cultivation instead of sexual relations or 'as well as'.

Been to a tantric week and they went at it like knives.

(I was doing paid readings not joining in).

Serious question this and I'm not seeking to have a pop at anyone's path, just puzzled and curious.

Many thanks..

Edited January 10, 2013 by GrandmasterP

[Flolfolil]

As well as for me. In the past i was pretty addicted to porn and jerkin it, and lately i have been getting reduced sexual interest. i hope to bring my sexuality back and be able to control it

[Seth Ananda]

As well as for sure.

 

Retention lets me enjoy a Sexual existence while maintaining the same degree or more {if i'm on the ball with my practice} of energy that I would normally get from celibacy.

 

But it has to be done right to not be kidding oneself.

Most retention instructions are seriously flawed, if one is wanting the 'same as celibacy' benefits.

[deci belle]

This is only my experience, mon ami.❤

 

Relationships are what they are when they are what they are. Sex is nothing outside of chaos.

 

I guess it all comes down to whether or not a person has that kind of energy to express in terms of meeting potential and whether or not it is the time and place for its manifestation beyond any sense of habit energy.

 

Spontaneous response without confusion is the only criteria by enlightening being… otherwise this is karmic coming and going. Even celibacy is karmic. Desire changes into something when one has the heart to take hearts.

 

Sex after enlightenment happens. Enlightening beings still have to hold and release beyond any point of vulnerability and inevitability (this has no connection whatsoever to physical or mental techniques). It may be possible to apply the top line of hexagram 15.

 

Purity is innocent, void of psychological projection. Nonpsychological action is spiritual. Enlightening beings respond. That is all.

 

 

 

 

ed note: coma after "innocent" in last line; add "this has no connection whatsoever to physical or mental techniques" in penultimate paragraph

Edited January 10, 2013 by deci belle

[Aetherous]

My personal experience...actual celibacy is better than retention or "tantric sex". It's like changing the oil of your car...makes it run smooth and last longer. Provides real energy. Prevents against stagnation. Has a much more pure feeling. Once you become sexual, all of the energy goes to that...best to avoid even a thought or sight of sexuality, if on the celibate path. If you can do it!

[Clarity]

 

Spontaneous response without confusion is the only criteria by enlightening being… otherwise this is karmic coming and going. Even celibacy is karmic. Desire changes into something when one has the heart to take hearts.

 

 

This....resonate....smile.

[RiverSnake]

Celibacy and retaining is quite easy for me now adays....but practicing tantric/sacred sex while retaining....the amount of discipline and self control that it takes is currently beyond me....though i have heard many people sing its praises. Not something i think your average joe can do effectively...but that's just my limited opinion....never attempted it personally.

 

-My 2 cents, Peace

[idiot_stimpy]

Its all about self control

[GrandmasterP]

Many thanks for the replies, most interesting.

[templetao]

Its all about building a foundation. Do 90 days of retention and train daily. Then from the put on lose your essence as little as possible. Maybe once a month or once every 2 months.

 

But this also depends on what type of alchemy you are doing as well my above statement was just a general guideline that i use.

[GreytoWhite]

Instead of in my case. I'm nowhere near a good place to have a relationship with a woman at this time. Wouldn't want to inflict myself on someone.

[Flolfolil]

something in me questions whether or not people who have no sexual thoughts at all get the full benefit of accumulating sexual energy. Just recently i had sexual thoughts and did something that completely shut out those thoughts and it seems like the energy completely disappeared

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

Is retention and/or celibacy cultivation instead of sexual relations or 'as well as'.

Been to a tantric week and they went at it like knives.

(I was doing paid readings not joining in).

Serious question this and I'm not seeking to have a pop at anyone's path, just puzzled and curious.

Many thanks..

The only honest to god answer is that; as a matter of circumstance, learning to cultivate sexual energy is as opposed to potential wastage, perhaps? I would have to ask, what would be a better use of stagnate sexual energy? It certainly isn't making me any more "attractive" thus far.