entity issue, advice needed

[Unseen_Abilities]

Hey Josama,

 

I went through a (lengthy) experience that was very similar to what you're describing...It seems that you know you must take action, and you have by asking here, but I'll back up what others here have said and say that you should make sure the action you take does not have the intention behind it of seeking to directly fight/wage war on what you're perceiving to be a harmful entity. Use this as an opportunity to (gently) hone yourself: Learn to center yourself, learn to habitually instill positive thoughts in your mind, pray to whatever form of The Divine gives you the most comfort, and please do stay calm. This may sound hard, but if you want to help yourself enough, you will find yourself building momentum in time.

 

There are some great, wise people on these forums (and elsewhere of course) who helped me immeasurably when I began to seek it (and still do), so know that you're supported and that people are sending good vibes your way.

 

Best of luck

Edited January 13, 2013 by T.S

[GrandmasterP]

Hello,

 

In september I contacted Sifu Jenny because I thought that I may have an entity issue after reading a testimonial of one of her patients. When I had my online consultation she told me that I indeed have a entity that it has been with me for three years and it is pretty serious. Unfortunately I won't be able to go see her before september while the entity is giving me hell, so I thought that I could as well write on here in the hope of finding people who have been in the same situation to ask for advice.

.......

Jenny Lamb does good work.

September is a long way so if you can't wait that long try one of the specialists via your local spiritualist organisation.

There's seldom any charge made for entity removal although donations are always accepted.

Follow the SNUi International link here to find out what is available in your region.

http://www.snu.org.uk/

Edited January 13, 2013 by GrandmasterP

[thelerner]

This post was inappropriate in this thread, given the poster's situation. Sorry.

I understand where you're coming from. Is there any way to tell the difference between an entity and being bothered by a psychological problem? Or is it a matter of you'll know it if it happens?

Edited January 13, 2013 by thelerner

[GrandmasterP]

You'd possibly need some experience of the symptoms of psychological problems (mental illness) to enter that differentiation arena with any hope of success and even then there's that school would claim that mentally ill people may possibly be more rather than less prone to entity infestation than someone free of mental health issues.

Most exorcists or light workers (call them what you will) peobably take each case on its merits.

Since the Church of England insisted on psychiatric assessments prior to exorcism the number of exorcisms their specialists ( one in every diocese) in England has plummeted.

Phil Rickman's 'Merrily Watkins' books are well informed. The Reverend Merrily Watkins is Diocesan exorcist for Hereford. The books are fictions but based on genuine exorcist caseload examples.

We've done well since that new policy came in a few years ago , because folk can't go to their vicar for a clearance these days then they come to us rather than mess about with Diocesan BS.

I seldom did one every couple of years last century but these days, unless it's very local; I turn them away as you could be doing two a week if you wanted to.

Edited January 13, 2013 by GrandmasterP

[thetaoiseasy]

Hey thelerner,

 

To me, there are two things to think about.

 

1. the law of attraction. like attract like.

2. Energy is energy is energy. spirits are gathering of energies.

 

Your personal energy arrangement--the way you have cultivated your internal spirits--- will determine what entities you attract The combination of external + internal spirits determines the course of your life. To clarify, in reality many great accomplishments in history were the result of external spirits helping humans without their knowing. Spirits are around us all the time, affecting the way we think and act by entering our nervous system. The highest level qigong masters rely on spirits for prescriptions, and many famous spiritual authors had celestial guides to assist their writing. On the flip side, sometimes spirits cause more trouble than good.

 

But to focus on these external entities--regardless of their nature--is meaningless and deconstructive, because it's your internal development that really matters. Reason: your development of your internal spirits determines which types of external spirits you attract in the first place. So the only thing you can do is work on yourself. Qigong is a good way to mobilize your internal spirits in balanced way. But virtue in general is even better. And living a natural, simple life is even better.

 

What I'm saying is, we can spend hours debating whether the issue is an external or internal manifestation. But in all practicality, it is always both, and you can still only focus on the internal aspect. To rid of the external issue, without focusing on the internal issue, is ineffective and disastrous psychologically, because internal energetic projections are always the root cause. If you have Christian leanings, Jesus, when healing others, for example, not only healed the person, but saved his soul as well.

 

Everyone with or without an entity must be willing to take responsibility for his/her own spiritual development. Even a saint needs to eat his spiritual meal everyday to have spiritual protection. The meal is just a matter of taking care of oneself.

 

I understand where you're coming from. Is there any way to tell the difference between an entity and being bothered by a psychological problem? Or is it a matter of you'll know it if it happens?

Edited January 13, 2013 by thetaoiseasy

[skydog]

Hey thelerner,

 

To me, there are two things to think about.

 

1. the law of attraction. like attract like.

2. Energy is energy is energy. spirits are gathering of energies.

 

Your personal energy arrangement--the way you have cultivated your internal spirits--- will determine what entities you attract The combination of external + internal spirits determines the course of your life. To clarify, in reality many great accomplishments in history were the result of external spirits helping humans without their knowing. Spirits are around us all the time, affecting the way we think and act by entering our nervous system. The highest level qigong masters rely on spirits for prescriptions, and many famous spiritual authors had celestial guides to assist their writing. On the flip side, sometimes spirits cause more trouble than good.

 

But to focus on these external entities is meaningless, because it's your internal development that is more important. Your development of your internal spirits determines which types of external spirits you attract in the first place. So the only thing you can do is work on yourself. Qigong is a good way to mobilize your internal spirits. But virtue in general is even better. And living a natural, simple life is even better.

 

What I'm saying is, we can spend hours debating whether the issue is an external or internal manifestation. But in all practicality, it is always both, but you can still only focus on the internal aspect. To rid of the external issue, without focusing on the internal issue, is ineffective and disastrous psychologically, because internal energetic projections are always the root cause. If you have Christian leanings, Jesus, when healing others, for example, not only healed the person, but saved his soul as well.

 

Everyone with or without an entity must be willing to take responsibility for his/her own spiritual development. A saint needs to eat his spiritual meal everyday, as well.

 

Hi thetaoiseasy I always appreciate your wisdom and posts. Can you clarify lead a natural simple life? Im not sure I fully get your meaning? Cheers

[thetaoiseasy]

Don't burden your mind with fantasies and delusions. The only way to do so is to embrace clear-thinking, simplify your daily activities and relationships, resist day-dreaming, and limit your exposure to toxic societal influences such as bad movies and books. The mind is powerful. How many times do you think a murderer has contemplated and brewed the hate that allowed him to kill innocent people? It is never only a day. What is thought? It is energy. What are ghosts and spirits? Collections of energies. What is a powerful thought? It is also a collection of energy. You make the connection.

 

Hi thetaoiseasy I always appreciate your wisdom and posts. Can you clarify lead a natural simple life? Im not sure I fully get your meaning? Cheers

Edited January 13, 2013 by thetaoiseasy

[skydog]

Don't burden your mind with fantasies and delusions. The only way to do so is to embrace clear-thinking, simplify your daily activities and relationships, resist day-dreaming, and limit your exposure to toxic societal influences such as bad movies and books. The mind is powerful. How many times do you think a murderer has contemplated and brewed the hate that allowed him to kill innocent people? It is never only a day. What is thought? It is energy. What are ghosts and spirits? Collections of energies. What is a powerful thought? It is also a collection of energy. You make the connection.

 

I see, thanks..

[skydog]

I agree

 

Do you think that what one person calls a fantasy or dream can be considered realistic by another person, I find often I am creating/creative thoughts, a so called realistic minded person would say I live in the clouds or am delusional, but from my perspective they are stuck in their own limitations. What is your own opinion of this, or did you mean something else by fantasies and delusions such as conspiracy theories (which might be right?)...

[thetaoiseasy]

^ I'll message you. I think I have side-tracked this thread too much.

[flowing hands]

Hello,

 

In september I contacted Sifu Jenny because I thought that I may have an entity issue after reading a testimonial of one of her patients. When I had my online consultation she told me that I indeed have a entity that it has been with me for three years and it is pretty serious. Unfortunately I won't be able to go see her before september while the entity is giving me hell, so I thought that I could as well write on here in the hope of finding people who have been in the same situation to ask for advice.

 

Hi Josama,

 

I am an expert in excocism if this is what is happening to you. Send me an email if you like, to my address via my website. I can clear it very easily, but I can't cure mental illness from a distance. I will send you a powerful 'fa fu' that no entity will be able to stand. It will help you and the things you describe will start to disappear, if it is an entity. I'll Leave it up to you.

[Tibetan_Ice]

Hi Josama,

This is an interesting topic for me.

 

You say you have an entity. Have you ruled out external influincing factors such as environment, poor diet, life events, lack of fulfilling activities in your life? Did you go through a bad time, car accident or death of a loved one that marked the onset on the depression? Is there a familiy member that is continually putting you down or just downright mean to you all the time?

 

Such events can open the door to entities, or 'bad' energy patterns, or whatever you'd like to call them.

 

Just having bad thoughts is not an indication of entity possesion. In order to assess that, you have to distinguish between bad thoughts and good thoughts. I have both. But they are just thoughts. I've learned how to put enough space between "me" and my thoughts that I can see them for what they are. They are just thoughts. If you don't grasp or avert the thoughts, they dissolve away.

 

And there doesn't seem to be any overabundance or either good or bad thoughts. I would imagine that most people have both good and bad thoughts. Morality is subjective. And often times, what is good today, is bad tomorrow.

 

The method for dissolving thoughts, as explained by Eckhart Tolle, Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche and others is to neither avert nor grasp the thought, but put your attention directly on the thought, observing it calmly. If you don't feed the thought with energy (grasp or avert) but hold it in the light of awareness, the thought just simply dissolves back into the substrate consciousness (alaya). If you keep doing this practice for all thoughts (good or bad or indifferent), eventually they don't come back, or if they do, they just dissolve harmlessly back into the substrate consciousness.

 

If your case is that you have an overabundance of "bad" thoughts, then I would learn about the pain body, and Eckhart Tolle's methods for dissolving the pain body. "Practising the Power of Now" on CD and "The Power of Now" is one place to start. You will learn to distinquish the pain body, put some space in between you and it, and eventually it will not affect you any more, and might even dissolve away permanently.

 

You mentioned that it affects people around you. Well, yes. If you this massive depressive energy void that is sucking energy into it, it affects people around you. One method of countering the negativity that arises, like when you think "I'd like to kill that person", is to counter with a positive thought like "I hope that person realizes a full and wonderful life". When you wish people well, even if you don't sound it out loud, the people can sense it. We are all connected.

 

If you are a spiritual practitioner and have honed your meditative skills, you could always take it a step further and understand that pure awareness, that which we are, is the best cure for entities/negative energy patterns/ill will.

 

This is what Gurudeva says about it (the bolding is mine):

 

link:http://ebooks.gutenberg.us/HimalayanAcademy/SacredHinduLiterature/mws/mws_ch-43.html

 

 

Keep your environment positive, so that the inner feeling is always content. Keep your home shrine or meditation space radiant, so that the inner feeling there is always uplifting. As you advance along the path, the radio mechanism will become highly tuned, very positive. Being positive, it will register all types of influences. Influences that are distasteful to you will come through as strongly as influences that are really magnificent. You have to learn to shield out the static by finely tuning this mechanism. That is why you strive for mastery of sadhana, mastery of concentration, your ability to hold awareness where you want it, when you want it for as long as you want it, and mastery of your ability to experience kaif, pure awareness aware only of itself, by taking awareness out of the entire context into just being aware. This practice of kaif is one of the fundamental protectors from psychic or astralinvasion, for when you are in that state, great clarity and willpower persist and the lower states are transcended.

 

To attain and sustain kaif is a simple practice. You pull awareness out of the thought processes. You pull awareness out of the emotion processes. You pull awareness out of the bodily processes, and you're just completely on that pinnacle of being aware of being aware. That's so necessary to practice every day, even if you do it for a split second.

The experience of kaif can be attained by anyone on the face of the Earth, at least for a split second, because it's so easy to be aware of being aware. To hold that experience and to stabilize the physical and emotional elements long enough to hold that intensity for even a minute takes more practice -- not too much, but consistent practice. To maintain kaif for two minutes requires more effort, more will, more dedication to the life of sadhana. Five minutes requires more. That's the test.

 

In the book, Stilling the Mind by Alan Wallace, they talk about wrathful deities, entities etc.. It says that the best way to deal with such beings is to realize that they are all empty, nothing real. It is a high, top-down view, but it is very similar to what Gurudeva was saying.

 

On a mudane level, entities exist. They are all around, only most people can't see them.

 

If you want to play that game, then another piece of advice I have is to get your ishta, that which you believe is the most powerful being in the infinite universe, a representation of the divine (or what ever you'd like to call it) to help you release the entity. For me, this is Jesus. He has whisked away so many entities/demon-looking creatures for me that I am always grateful.

 

On the other hand, if you focus on entities, give them power and believe that only someone else with enough power will save you, then I would suggest seeking someone else's help, like you are doing.

 

Some books on Entities: http://www.amazon.com/Entity-Possession-Freeing-Negative-Influences/dp/0892816120

 

Samuel Sagan is a medical doctor that founded the Clairvision School and has practised entitiy extraction for many years.

 

http://www.clairvision.org/books/entities/entities-parasites-of-the-body-of-energy-excerpts.html

 

I will pray for you.

 

TI

[Josama]

I haven't really considered exorcism until now because I thought that most priests would probably be charlatans. Though it would be very easy for me to travel to Rome, my father just recently bought a house in Pescara which isn't very far and he goes quite often there to work on the restoration. He already asked me several times to go with him. Are there any good priests in Rome who do entity removals successfully?

Edited January 13, 2013 by Josama

[Aetherous]

Priests that are trained in exorcism being charlatans...but someone (who I'm assuming will be) charging you quite a bit of money, and making you wait until September to get well, is not one?

[Josama]

Hmm No she is not making me wait turtle shell, it is me who can't go to the states right now. You can be sure that I would take the flight right now if I could, oh hell yeah!

[Aetherous]

Why is she unable to go to you, or to do whatever is necessary long distance?

 

I wish you the best of luck with this issue, regardless...do what is necessary to get well!

[Josama]

She told me that in my case she needed to see me personnally.

 

[sati]

Josama,

 

You can try receiving exorcism from Gabriele Amorth. He is an exorcist in the Diocese of Rome. But he is very well known so it may be difficult to see him.

He has founded the International Association of exorcists, but they don't have any website.

 

Beware, there is a website with almost the same name but it is a different thing and I wouldn't contact them, it doesn't seem legit.

 

To contact Gabriele Amorth: Via Alessandro Severo 58, c.a.p. 00145 Roma

Otherwise you can contact L'Ufficio Pastorale di Esorcismo ( Pastoral service of Exorcism in the Diocese of Rome) . It can be done by phone tel: 06/69886525 . On tuesdays from 8 am to 10 am and on Friday from 2 pm to 4 pm. If someone of your family (your father ?) speaks Italian S/he can directly contact them on site.

 

take care

 

sati

Edited January 13, 2013 by sati

[Cookie Monster]

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[sati]

Let's wait and see.

If Josama gets the entity removed by a Catholic priest,we shall open our minds more about Catholics. I am not sure that abuse is something we can't find in Taoism, Buddhism or any religious institution.Spiritual power can coexist with temporal corrupted power without damage.

 

But this is just my opinion and I won't argue about it.

 

[Aetherous]

Why anyone would voluntarily get into contact with the energy of Roman Catholicism is beyond me.

Hygiene.

 

Nothing at all wrong with the energy. The historical actions on the other hand...

[Friend]

Edited January 14, 2013 by Friend

[Aaron]

Josama why do you feel that you have an entity?

 

Aaron

[Seth Ananda]

I would like to +1 thetaoiseasy's advice here, except possisbly on the not trying to purge it front.

 

There may be a place or time, depending on you, to attempt to exorcise yourself.

 

I would also like to add a few personal perspectives.

 

When dealing with a possessing entity, one has several options.

 

1. See an exorcist.

 

2. exorcize oneself.

 

3. Surrender to a higher power or make a higher level friend.

 

Making friends with, or connecting with a higher power is really good advice, and i particularly like Sun Adoration for this, especially for people who may struggle with really feeling a 'less physical' Divine being.

Also many old cultures considered our personal energy to be a unique expression of the Suns energy, and so Sun adorations were considered a way to Increase the quality and strength of our own unique energy and existence...

In Egypt there were four Sun Adorations a day. Sunrise, mid day, sunset, and midnight.

 

Exorcizing oneself can be done but it takes some effort. If you have the 'energy' to be able to expel it, do so. No one has to put up with a parasitic being draining them.

But if you don't feel strong enough, just forget about it as an entity and focus for now on Increasing your positive energy, and communing with high and refined energies...

 

But Self exorcizing can be very rewarding, and will often really increase your faith in you ability to navigate and negotiate the perils of the 'other' realms.

Start by cultivating a deep visceral gut sense of 'YOU HAVE NO RIGHT!' to be in my space. Everything else builds off that. If you find that you just don't believe this, make a list of why. Do you believe you are a doormat? Do you feel you deserve mistreatment...?

Figure out what is going on and face that shit.

When 'YOU HAVE NO RIGHT!' starts to become the felt reality towards an invading force it is probably minutes away from being expelled.

From there, you have several options.

Banishing Rituals help designate an 'area' as yours and make anything else unwelcome. Banish yourself.

Shaman use drumming and loud noises to chase entities out of the space. {I am very fond of this one personally}

Fast for a bit, or at least drop meats, grains, salt and sugar for at least a week.

Burn incences, smudge, anoint yourself with Florida Water...

Take up shaking practices..

Spend time in Nature, sitting and breathing between the Heavens and the Earth. this to me encapsulates the pure Nobility of Life.

And connect with a higher power. { which I would do simultaneously no matter what step I was using. }

 

I would probably make a process using many of these elements.

 

The other harder option is to help the being move on to somewhere else. This takes having the ability to converse with it, but the easier side of this is you can still pray for assistance for the being itself. Even after you have expelled it.

 

Blessings on your Journey.

[Creation]

In the book, Stilling the Mind by Alan Wallace, they talk about wrathful deities, entities etc.. It says that the best way to deal with such beings is to realize that they are all empty, nothing real. It is a high, top-down view, but it is very similar to what Gurudeva was saying.

I would say that this is sound advice for someone who is encountering such things but is otherwise spiritually healthy. Because being spiritually healthy means an entity can't influence you unless you let it. If you put your hand in dirty water, your skin will protect you from germs, but it can still make you sick if you choose to drink it. So meditating on the illusory nature of the entity is a way to prevent it from influencing you.

 

But if you have a hole in your aura, say from carrying intense repressed negative emotions, and you encounter a negative entity, it's like having a cut on the hand you put in the dirty water. So in this case, meditating on the illusory nature of the entity will not necessarily protect you any more than meditating on the illusory nature of germs will keep you from getting sick. If a person has a serious entity attachment, they will necessarily have some sort of weakness in their energy that is allowing that entity an entry point.

 

A caveat is that you are realized enough that meditating on the illusory nature of all things strengthens your shen, it can protect you regardless, but in this case I would expect that this would also heal any holes in your aura. Having a brightly shining shen is the real defense against entities.

 

This is my own understanding at least.