ex-Western magician

[RongzomFan]

I used to own various grimoires in the best translation (usually by Joseph Peterson).

 

I used to practice enochian magick and fuck around with the goetia.

 

Then I realized that enochian magick and kaballah (the philosophical basis of the grimoires) were both realist like most other religions and philosophies.

 

http://thetaobums.co...on-is-not-good/

[Apech]

"fuck around with the goetia" ... really?

 

Thanks for sharing.

[GrandmasterP]

Edward Kelley did similar and look what happened to that lad.

[d'avid]

There are different branches in kabballah / qabalah.

Probably some of it don't match your judgment of being realist in your terms but share in the buddhist essence if you dig deep enough.

 

Hear are some concerns uttered against enochian magic by a qabalist:

http://www.lvx.org/f...ges/letter1.pdf

 

Intention is key.

Edited January 14, 2013 by d'avid

[RongzomFan]

There are different branches in kabballah / qabalah.

 

Realist is realist. From my point of view even new atheism and Islam are in the same boat.

 

 

There are different branches in kabballah / qabalah.

Probably some of it don't match your judgment of being realist in your terms but share in the buddhist essence if you dig deep enough.

 

It definitely doesn't match the "buddhist essence". I dug as deep as anyone can reasonably do, including reading modern scholarly history books on magick:

 

 

Grimoires: A History of Magic Books By Owen Davies

 

Oxford University Press

 

 

If I ever get transmission for the most wrathful deity in Vajrayana, I would stomp on Yahweh, Allah, Krishna, the Goetia and the enochian angels. In that sense, maybe I would get back into Western magick.

Edited January 14, 2013 by alwayson

[Jeff]

 

If I ever get transmission for the most wrathful deity in Vajrayana, I would stomp on Yahweh, Allah, Krishna, the Goetia and the enochian angels. In that sense, maybe I would get back into Western magick.

 

He is not that tough. Love "conquers" all...

 

Best wishes, Jeff

[GrandmasterP]

Love plus a good binding ritual.

[d'avid]

It definitely doesn't match the "buddhist essence". I dug as deep as anyone can reasonably do, including reading modern scholarly history books on magick:

 

(It=some branches of qabalah)

 

Some doors remain close until somebody sees them - and knocks.

Edited January 14, 2013 by d'avid

[RongzomFan]

(It=some branches of qabalah)

 

Some doors remain close until somebody sees them - and knocks.

 

So what branches are not realist?

Edited January 14, 2013 by alwayson

[d'avid]

.

 

I can't tell you for sure because

-you make up the meaning of "realist" in your thinking

-I know only little

-I didn't follow one branch to its end

 

There is ain, ain soph, ain soph aur "before" the tree of life...

but this is all not graspable for the mind so little point using it in a discussion.

 

I read in your linked thread and agree with konchog uma saying there:

i have never heard of anyone thinking themselves to liberation.

Edited January 14, 2013 by d'avid

[Seth Ananda]

If your only here to take a crap on magical traditions Alwayson, please leave.

 

This forum is for magical practitioners and people who are actually interested in magick, to discuss away from the general forum where every nay sayer is free to heap their crap all over the topic.

 

The Buddhist forum is next door.

[Apech]

If your only here to take a crap on magical traditions Alwayson, please leave.

 

This forum is for magical practitioners and people who are actually interested in magick, to discuss away from the general forum where every nay sayer is free to heap their crap all over the topic.

 

The Buddhist forum is next door.

 

And the Pit is below.

[RongzomFan]

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I can't tell you for sure because

-you make up the meaning of "realist" in your thinking

 

 

I never made up the meaning of realist.

 

"I do not say that entities do not exist, because I say that they originate in dependence. “So are you a realist then?” I am not, because I am just a proponent of dependent origination. “What sort of nature is it then that you [propound]?” I propound dependent origination. “What is the meaning of dependent origination?” It has the meaning of the lack of a nature and the meaning of nonarising through a nature [of its own]. It has the meaning of the origination of results with a nature similar to that of illusions, mirages, reflections, cities of scent-eaters, magical creations, and dreams. It has the meaning of emptiness and identitylessness."

-Candrakirti, translated by Brunnholzl

[Simple_Jack]

If your only here to take a crap on magical traditions Alwayson, please leave.

 

This forum is for magical practitioners and people who are actually interested in magick, to discuss away from the general forum where every nay sayer is free to heap their crap all over the topic.

 

The Buddhist forum is next door.

That's true, though I find it ironic because the crap that get's posted on the Buddhist forum (Either from those who disagree with it's teachings or whatever non-sense from topics that are moved to that forum or posted in that forum.)

 

Alwayson, why are you messing with the people in this thread?