ralis Posted January 21, 2013 I was just remembering the life of this great man and how he stood up to prejudice, racism and oppression. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zerostao Posted January 21, 2013 "The function of education is to teach one to think intensively and to think critically. Intelligence plus character - that is the goal of true education." - Martin Luther King, Jr. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeffgrove Posted January 21, 2013 just finished reading this for the first time http://www.archives.gov/press/exhibits/dream-speech.pdf, and was reflecting on what we take for granted today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gendao Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) "The function of education is to teach one to think intensively and to think critically. Intelligence plus character - that is the goal of true education." - Martin Luther King, Jr. Lol, intelligence plus character = plagiarism? Where's his bibliography for that? Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.’s wife, Coretta Scott King, donated her husband’s papers to Stanford University’s King Papers Project in 1985. As the papers were being organized and cataloged, project staff discovered that King’s doctoral dissertation at Boston University, A Comparison of the Conception of God in the Thinking of Paul Tillich and Henry Nelson Wieman, included large sections from a dissertation written three years earlier by another student, Jack Boozer, at the same institution. Boston University launched its own probe and concluded the civil rights hero plagiarized major portions of his doctoral thesis from many other authors who wrote on the topic, including Boozer.“Instances of textual appropriation can be seen in his earliest extant writings as well as his dissertation. The pattern is also noticeable in his speeches and sermons throughout his career,” writes Clayborne Carson, director of the King Papers Project at Stanford University. He plagiarized a lot of them. An investigation conducted by Boston University, where King got his Ph.D. in theology, determined that he had appropriated roughly a third of his doctoral thesis from a dissertation written three years earlier by another graduate student. Curiously, the same faculty member had been "first reader" of both theses, leading some to wonder whether King's faculty advisers at BU were incompetent or just guilty white liberals who gave a promising young black leader a pass. King also "borrowed" portions of many other writings and speeches, including the famous "I have a dream" speech he gave at the 1963 civil rights rally in Washington. Edited January 22, 2013 by vortex 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralis Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) Vortex, The so called journalists that you quote do not provide any references to these allegations. Just more trolling on your part. If you have something intelligent to add, fine. However, you never add anything but conspiracy allegations and other muck! Why are you on this site? Edited January 22, 2013 by ralis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flolfolil Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) mlk did 9/11 and the sandy hook shootings. also, shillings. just felt like typing that Edited January 22, 2013 by Flolfolil Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
runner11 Posted January 22, 2013 Martin Luther King is one of the few famous people I really look up to. We all know about his contribution to the civil rights movement, but he also talked about the evils of war and violence and hatred. His message was a message of peace, but he didn't come across as weak. People that knew him or met him have said that when he entered the room, you could literally feel the energy. He didn't even have to say anything, and he often didn't. But when he did speak, everyone listened. In my opinion he is one of the greatest speakers to ever be recorded, and an amazing person who knew right from wrong to the core of his soul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harmonious Emptiness Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) The article Vortex links uses this as evidence that he plagiarized "Carey’s speech spun off the words of the song “My Country ‘Tis of Thee – America”, the American patriotic song written by Samuel Francis Smith. There are no easily obtainable copies of the audio of his speech but the text of the ending is here: We, Negro Americans, sing with all loyal Americans: My country ’tis of thee, Sweet land of liberty, Of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, Land of the Pilgrims’ pride From every mountainside Let freedom ring! That’s exactly what we mean – from every mountain side, let freedom ring. Not only from the Green Mountains and White Mountains of Vermont and New Hampshire; not only from the Catskills of New York; but from the Ozarks in Arkansas, from the Stone Mountain in Georgia, from the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia–let it ring not only for the minorities of the United States, but for the disinherited of all the earth–may the Republican Party, under God, from every mountainside, LET FREEDOM RING!" They both borrowed from this song because it echoes so many "Negro spirituals" that came well before it. Forget about the fact that the writer provides no proof, and the other article reads like a tabloid for rednecks with zero evidence shown for any claims made either. This is your plagiarism? This is your reason to criticize such a brave, loving, and loved man? I think all ya'all butthurt sore losers need to stop worrying about your pretty cousin goin' fer a black man. Give up. It's over. and you didn't win. Edited January 22, 2013 by Harmonious Emptiness 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gendao Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) The so called journalists that you quote do not provide any references to these allegations. Just more trolling on your part. If you have something intelligent to add, fine. However, you never add anything but conspiracy allegations and other muck! No references? Lol, so I guess the university academic group that MLK Jr's own wife chose to donate his papers to (Stanford University's King Papers Project) doesn't qualify as a reference? Or every other historian who's researched this issue? Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s papers were donated by his wife Coretta Scott King to Stanford University's King Papers Project. During the late 1980s, as the papers were being organized and catalogued, the staff of the project discovered that King's doctoral dissertation at Boston University, titled A Comparison of the Conception of God in the Thinking of Paul Tillich and Henry Nelson Wieman, included large sections from a dissertation written by another student (Jack Boozer) three years earlier at Boston University. As Clayborne Carson, director of the King Papers Project at Stanford University, has written, "instances of textual appropriation can be seen in his earliest extant writings as well as his dissertation. The pattern is also noticeable in his speeches and sermons throughout his career." Boston University, where King received his Ph.D. in systematic theology, conducted an investigation that found he plagiarized major portions of his doctoral thesis from various other authors who wrote about the topic. According to civil rights historian Ralph E. Luker, who worked on the King Papers Project directing the research on King's early life, King's paper The Chief Characteristics and Doctrines of Mahayana Buddhism was taken almost entirely from secondary sources. He writes: Moreover, the farther King went in his academic career, the more deeply ingrained the patterns of borrowing language without clear attribution became. Thus, the plagiarism in his dissertation seemed to be, by then, the product of his long-established practice. The incident was first reported in the December 3, 1989 edition of the Sunday Telegraph by Frank Johnson, titled "Martin Luther King-Was He a Plagiarist?" The incident was then reported in U.S. in the November 9, 1990 edition of the Wall Street Journal, under the title of "To Their Dismay, King Scholars Find a Troubling Pattern." Several other newspapers then followed with stories, including the Boston Globe and the New York Times. Numerous newspaper editorials defended King, saying he was still a great man regardless of his academic fraud. Boston University decided not to revoke his doctorate And from Stanford University's King Papers Project's own official site: Although King received satisfactory grades at Boston University, later analysis would reveal that many of King's essays and his dissertation relied upon appropriated words and ideas for which he failed to provide adequate citations. Kings plagiarism escaped detection during his lifetime The papers (including his dissertation) that King wrote during his years at Boston displayed little originality, and some contained extensive plagiarism Well, I guess you're right, then.. Nothing but just another "unintelligent, mucky, conspiracy theory" by some "so-called journalists." Nothing to see here folks, kumbaya!!! Edited January 25, 2013 by vortex 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralis Posted January 22, 2013 Vortex, Exactly why are you posting this? Do you have contempt and hate for MLK? The great that he accomplished outweighs the allegations against him. Now you claim you are a victim for telling the so called truth? You have the audacity to quote Orwell so as to give the impression that you are for truth. Most of the ridiculous blather you post here is just that. Blather! You are not being revolutionary but are just positing right wing propaganda here. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zerostao Posted January 22, 2013 ralis, good thread and timely for certain. mlk certainly knew his fate and still, he moved forward. he is a great and courageous man, and he was a man of destiny and great acheivement.his sacrifice echoes thru eternity. worthy of repect. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aetherous Posted January 22, 2013 He was a giant that stood on the shoulders of giants. What are we in comparison? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralis Posted January 22, 2013 He was a giant that stood on the shoulders of giants. What are we in comparison? Yes he was! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eye_of_the_storm Posted January 22, 2013 Top quote is interesting considering he never practiced veg*nism...I wonder if he was anything like the great peace activist E=MC2talking the talk... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flolfolil Posted January 22, 2013 sweet, it looks like we will be able to group all the arguments about conspiracies, politics and vegetarianism into this thread. Lets just leave it all in here, lock it an throw away the key because noone will ever change anyone elses opinion on any of these things. EVER Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joeblast Posted January 22, 2013 No references? Lol, so I guess the university academic group that MLK Jr's own wife chose to donate his papers to (Stanford Universitys King Papers Project) doesn't qualify as a reference? Or every other historian who's researched this issue?And from Stanford Universitys King Papers Project's own official site:Well, I guess you're right, then.. Nothing but just another "unintelligent, mucky, conspiracy theory" by some "so-called journalists." Nothing to see here folks, kumbaya!!! ralis probably believes he subscribed to progressive politics...or were his conservative views another right wing conspiracy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralis Posted January 22, 2013 ralis probably believes he subscribed to progressive politics...or were his conservative views another right wing conspiracy? If you have anything to add that is in the least bit intelligent, then say it. Otherwise, your persistent trolling is not welcome here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralis Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) Top quote is interesting considering he never practiced veg*nism... I wonder if he was anything like the great peace activist E=MC2 talking the talk... Between you and several others on this site, the lack of intelligent discourse is at an all new low. Edited January 22, 2013 by ralis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eye_of_the_storm Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) You provide insults... we provide critical thinking...what is intelligent... what is not...hmm Edited January 22, 2013 by White Wolf Running On Air 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flolfolil Posted January 22, 2013 this thread needs moar ponies Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harmonious Emptiness Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) In the absence of actual evidence that he was a plagiarist, let's say he was for the sake of argument. So what if he cut corners to get where he needed to be to break some of the walls of tyranny in the USA? It's like faking the first moon landing. If that is what was necessary to peacefully avoid destruction, by making the Russians think the US was already ahead of them, then it was a perfectly good decision. Besides, we know that at the time, a white man would be passed his doctorate with far less than a black man. He knew what he had to do, and he did what he had to do. It's like Native American stories of "stealing fire" from those who try to horde the light. If someone is withholding your rightful dues, then TAKE IT! There's no cheating someone like that, there's just winning the game they forced you into by cheating you in the first place (Of course, this needs to be done skillfully, with many things considered). Nobody lost a thing by his alleged plagiarism, while his neighbors were getting terrorized every day and night. If that is what it took, then good for him for kicking ass and doing it! edit: And somehow "telling the truth about his alleged plagiarism is a revolutionary act?" Revolution against what exactly? Freedom and equality? Real hero you are, eh? Making Jefferson proud I'm sure.... Edited January 22, 2013 by Harmonious Emptiness Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zerostao Posted January 22, 2013 Martin Luther King is one of the few famous people I really look up to. We all know about his contribution to the civil rights movement, but he also talked about the evils of war and violence and hatred. His message was a message of peace, but he didn't come across as weak. People that knew him or met him have said that when he entered the room, you could literally feel the energy. He didn't even have to say anything, and he often didn't. But when he did speak, everyone listened. In my opinion he is one of the greatest speakers to ever be recorded, and an amazing person who knew right from wrong to the core of his soul. a true messenger of peace never comes across as weak and that is why the (evil) powers that be have to take (evil) action against one such as this. becoz they fear one like this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Immortal4life Posted January 22, 2013 Free at Last! Free at Last! Thank God Almighty Free at Last! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxj2kEy8D8w Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Immortal4life Posted January 22, 2013 Although it may not be possible, I'm almost going for CM Punk at this point- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVTS0BspziE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
