Trolling and Off-topic disruptions

[eye_of_the_storm]

I'll just post this again for those of missed it.

Yesterday, 08:37 PM

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
- Voltaire

 

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. -

Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Freedom of speech is extremely important for individual liberty: no other right is as important as the right to think what you damn well please--and then talk about it.

http://dreamsinvitro...edom-of-speech/

". . . there ought to exist the fullest liberty of professing and discussing, as a matter of ethical conviction, any doctrine, however immoral it might be considered."

The worst offence . . . which can be committed by a polemic is to stigmatise those who hold the contrary opinion as bad and immoral men. To calumny of this sort, those who hold any unpopular opinion are peculiarly exposed, because they are in general few and uninfluential, and nobody but themselves feels much interest in seeing justice done them; ... unmeasured vituperation employed on the side of the prevailing opinion really does deter people from professing contrary opinions, and from listening to those who express them.

http://www.ourcivili...ights/chap6.htm

FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS SACRED

Time people brushed up on it ^^

I advocate for absolutely 0 censorship

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Seth mentions the death of myself and supporters....?

That our ways will die with us?

What is the need to say such?

Truly Seth the only hateful person here is yourself.

I would never have become involved in the conversation if misleading statements regarding health etc hadn't been made.

Very dangerous talk... your preaching ignorance could harm a great many people.

What about all the young boys raped by SOME homosexual men too? (regarding suicide)

Heterosexuals are not innocent in this regard either but again the statistics ^^% are not in favor of...

What impact do you think that has on those people?|

Statistically the numbers are actually much higher in secular environments... but shhhh not suppose to know that.

I'd rather not get into that topic however... and would like to lay this one to rest also.

Many minorities are "hated" like here on this board... really I am the only one being attacked.

Though I am not going to kill myself over it.

People have suffered a tremendous amount of things in life... and they PUSH ON.

Something else is happening... these people would be best to study spiritual practices / stoicism and so on.

To understand who they are and to stand strong in that.

To rise above it all.

100 million Russian Orthodox Christians were murdered by Atheists in the Bolshevik "Revolution"

Pregnant women were tied to trees, had their babies cut out before themselves being murdered...

What about the 60+ million Chinese killed by Atheists?

and so on...

I am finding you views regarding the religious highly disturbing

Maybe we will have to have you in for questioning?

I am happy to let this topic drop, I'd much rather spend my time on other things...

But I can't let such ignorant statements slide.

Ignoring a problem isn't going to fix it.

I'd call it Malpractice.

All it is is sexual education so people can make better informed decisions.

IGNORANCE IS THE CAUSE OF SUFFERING

Sex in any expression.

Look at Africa?

People need to be educated about things.

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Edited February 10, 2013 by White Wolf Running On Air

[eye_of_the_storm]

Freedom of expression hmmm ....

What happened to Recep?

You all run him out of town with torches and pitchforks?

Didn't much like his Islamic views?

Religious discrimination?

Hypocrites.

[gatito]

I find "hypocrites" a bit strong but.............

[gatito]

..............I'm quite laid back myself

[gatito]

[Marblehead]

I hope I would get banned as well, but say it was someone else who was serious, and not trolling?

I'm pretty sure you would hear from me and I wouldn't be able to promise you that I would be nice about it.

[gatito]

LMAO!!!

 

[Marblehead]

Oh! Neat realization. The "Off Topic" thread went off topic so it was moved to the "Off Topic" sub-forum.

[Marblehead]

100 million Russian Orthodox Christians were murdered by Atheists in the Bolshevik "Revolution"

 

Hold on here. This is not a true statement. The truth is that 100 million Russian Orthodox Christians were murdered by Communists in the Bolshevik Revolution because it was the desire of the Communists to destroy all religions and create Communism as the State religion. To blame this on people who will not be led by the nose by some religion is an error.

[Apech]

Hold on here. This is not a true statement. The truth is that 100 million Russian Orthodox Christians were murdered by Communists in the Bolshevik Revolution because it was the desire of the Communists to destroy all religions and create Communism as the State religion. To blame this on people who will not be led by the nose by some religion is an error.

 

 

Where's this 100 million come from? I read that it was more like 10 million. Not that makes it ok of course but there's no need to build the numbers up. Maybe you are including the Stalinist purges and WWII?

[Immortal4life]

[eye_of_the_storm]

Hold on here. This is not a true statement. The truth is that 100 million Russian Orthodox Christians were murdered by Communists in the Bolshevik Revolution because it was the desire of the Communists to destroy all religions and create Communism as the State religion. To blame this on people who will not be led by the nose by some religion is an error.

 

Sorry MH... Atheist doesn't mean communist - Communist means atheist though.

 

"A Marxist must be a materialist, i. e., an enemy of religion, but a dialectical materialist, i. e., one who treats the struggle against religion not in an abstract way, not on the basis of remote, purely theoretical, never varying preaching, but in a concrete way, on the basis of the class struggle which is going on in practice and is educating the masses more and better than anything else could."

 

Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

The Attitude of the Workers’ Party to Religion

Published: Proletary, No. 45, May 13 (26), 1909. Published according to the text in Proletary.

Source: Lenin Collected Works, Progress Publishers, 1973,Moscow, Volume 15, pp. 402-413.

Translated: Andrew Rothstein and Bernard Issacs.

Transcription and Markup: R. Cymbala, B. Baggins, D. Walters, and K. Goins.

Public Domain: Lenin Internet Archive: marx.org (1996); marxists.org (1999). You may freely copy, distribute, display and perform this work; as well as make derivative and commercial works. Please credit “Marxists Internet Archive” as your source.

 

http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1909/may/13.htm

 

 

 

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

why do we always shove political and ideological workings into boxes they dont fit?

I think you're both going off the wrong direction of your own paths in this discussion.


Generalizations should be the warning sign for y'all, but in case you missed them:


MH: "... desire of the communists"

and

WWROA: "communist means [atheist]"
and even if it was quoted from a source: "a marxist must be [a materialist]"


These three statements invalidate your arguments.
I believe communism roots back to "community" so let's try to keep it there instead of spreading its reach out into the extra-political-sphere of rediculousness. Let each COMMUNITY define its interdependency instead of creating a false-umbrella-name "communism" and applying it to everyone who even "looks like they might smell like a communist".

edit in: also, suggesting that you must apparently be a marxist thinking individual if you are talking about communism

Communism works harder and more effectively at dispearsing and sharing equality amongst its practicioners than any other system. we only choose to fault its success by focusing on its sour history and malformities of other-political agendists, such as, but not limited to: democracy, socailism, representation, and despotism.

And yet HOW BEAUTIFULLY it works under tribalism, HUH?

"No, that's backwards, we favor progress, we want to live in space ships and stations, not caves and trees"

^Go suffocate that pitiful anti-revolutionary mentality.^

Edited February 10, 2013 by Northern Avid Judo Ant

[Immortal4life]

I don't think trolling should be censored because one man's troll is another mans legitimate counter argument,

however if things go off topic the topic should be split into it's own thread, and if it isn't related to spiritual matters it should be moved to the off topic section.

This is really what is comes down to. On the internet, you will view someone who disagrees with you as a troll. This means that unless everyone is all happy, rainbows, and sunshine with no disagreements, then people are going to disagree and by extension troll each other.

 

The fact people don't want to accept, is that trolling is what makes the internet go 'round. An internet forum needs trolling in order to thrive and survive.

 

It's like WWE wrestling, you can't just have everyone getting along, you have to have excitement and competition. It wouldn't work otherwise and would just die.

[Aaron]

A troll is someone who purposely posts incendiary material in order to cause disruption on a website. Immortal4life, your recent post regarding Gay Men can't donate blood in Canada would be considered a troll post by many.

 

Aaron

[Immortal4life]

It's so incendiary that no one reacted in an overly emotional way, and the discussion remained quite calm.

 

I don't think you quite get the dynamic here, or maybe you just don't like how things work. It's taking a subject of interest here and now, and getting more interest and clicks because of it. That is a good thing, not a bad thing, for off topic and this forum.

 

If a topic is getting reactions and is popular and relevant, you don't want to stop that, you want that momentum to keep going.

 

What hot topic issue would you like to replace it with? Guns?

Edited February 10, 2013 by Immortal4life

[Marblehead]

Where's this 100 million come from? I read that it was more like 10 million. Not that makes it ok of course but there's no need to build the numbers up. Maybe you are including the Stalinist purges and WWII?

I have no numbers. I was arguing against the false statement.

[Marblehead]

Sorry MH... Atheist doesn't mean communist - Communist means atheist though.

 

That equation is illogical. Would you like to try again?

[Marblehead]

"A Marxist must be a ...

 

There are differences between Marxists and Communists. And there are many Atheists who are neither.

 

So we need to point at the moon, exactly at the moon, and not at the reflection of it in the water.

 

I will not be equated with either Marxists nor with Communists. And there are many other Atheists who feel as I do.

[Marblehead]

MH: "... desire of the communists"

 

And I will suggest that it was the desire of the Communist leaders to have the people revere the party as if it was their god.

 

I think it's history proves that.

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

I think you might have some specifications involved there never the less... too broad and general to be... ALL... "communists", no?

[Marblehead]

I think you might have some specifications involved there never the less... too broad and general to be... ALL... "communists", no?

Yeah. You already know that I don't like universal statements. Universals deny us from being special and unique.

 

And remember, I am rather elderly and most of my learning of these topics and concepts happened many years ago and much has been forgotten.

 

And I am an Atheist. BUT, I am NOT a Communist!!! I could support socialism if a form were established that I felt was fair. However, I am still an Anarchist at heart.

[Marblehead]

I think you might have some specifications involved there never the less... too broad and general to be... ALL... "communists", no?

Granted that my statement was a generalization. I did not have the desire to do the research and submit historical data.

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

in the realm of accuracy as well as in the world of authenticity, you never "almost" hit your target.

[Marblehead]

in the realm of accuracy as well as in the world of authenticity, you never "almost" hit your target.

But Atom Ant, we are having conversational discussions. When you are sitting with your friends how often do you excuse yourself so that you can do research before you respond to the other people?

 

I almost hit the target. That means I get three points and not five. Better three than none.