Trolling and Off-topic disruptions

[Immortal4life]

If you can't defeat your opponents and keep your own threads in the direction you want them going, then that is a personal shortcoming within in you, and it means you have lost the conversation and your opponents have owned you.

 

Running and crying to the mods is weak, and the last resort of someone who can't win.

[Apech]

If you can't defeat your opponents and keep your own threads in the direction you want them going, then that is a personal shortcoming within in you, and it means you have lost the conversation and your opponents have owned you.

 

Running and crying to the mods is weak, and the last resort of someone who can't win.

 

 

Oh so all these discussions are a game or competition to you ... is that right ... very interesting. I think you have to bear in mind that a lot of people come here to discuss and learn from each other and are interested in the subject matter. Give it a thought.

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

twtittchting is only a sign ngnthat I am macraving chocolate, not tanything serious.

[Seth Ananda]

The Homophobia on this forum is disgusting.

 

The mods continue to refuse action on curtailing Homophobia, which is wrong.

 

When a thread gets 'out of hand' on Homophobia Issues, the Mods simply send it to the pit, without reprimanding anyone.

 

Can you Imagine how different it would be if it was Racism they were preaching? 6 month suspension!

But no, its not racism, its homophobia. That seems to be all well and good on this forum. A Mods thumbs up!

 

 

Known homophobic hate speech advocates: ETthoughts, WhitewolfrunningonAir and Gaito, continue to spread viscous and slanted anti gay propaganda, unrepromanded.

 

WWROA should be sitting on 3 to 6, for numerous of his postings, unless of course Homophobia is not an important social justice issue our society is facing right now.

 

 

Ralis continues to bring up this 'non Issue' and is met with ridicule and derision, mostly by the offenders here.

 

 

TTB's, in allowing injustice to go unchecked, is becoming corrupt in its soul. {the mods are the soul}

[ralis]

I just reported the problem. Vortex has joined the thread in question with outrageous remarks obtained on a religious site.

[Aetherous]

I agree that injustice is going unchecked here (when something is reported, there should be a moderator response)...but has anyone actually broken a rule in regard to the gay discussion?

 

You can't moderate someone for being homophobic or having certain offensive opinions...just like you can't moderate someone for being gay. Who you are isn't exactly a choice.

Is anyone's feelings hurt by something that was said? How could we change our behavior to make them feel better, while still discussing things?

Edited February 8, 2013 by turtle shell

[ralis]

I agree that injustice is going unchecked here (when something is reported, there should be a moderator response)...but has anyone actually broken a rule in regard to the gay discussion?

 

You can't moderate someone for being homophobic or having certain offensive opinions...just like you can't moderate someone for being gay. Who you are isn't exactly a choice.

Is anyone's feelings hurt by something that was said? How could we change our behavior to make them feel better, while still discussing things?

Ones BS is not the point. The thread in question contains bigotry and prejudice. Further, even your remarks that gay men tend toward more STD's because you worked in, who knows where, is unsubstantiated. The problem is that one group is being singled out by what appears to be religious prejudice.

[ralis]

The thread in question begins here. The remarks by WWROA are later on in the thread.

 

 

http://thetaobums.com/topic/23142-right-wing-war-against-lgbts/#entry331124

[Immortal4life]

These are complex issues given the nature of this forum. At the end of the day, this is a forum that is spiritual/religious/metaphysical in nature. Shall the issue of race or sexuality just be banned outright? Are these forbidden to talk about? Who can say. The fact remains that when it comes to religion and spirituality, such issues as race and sex can be relevant in a religious or spiritual context.

 

It is far too simplistic for someone to just yell "racism" or "homophobia" or "sexism", at the mere mention of the issues of race, sex, or gender in a spiritual context when left with nothing else to say in any particular debate.

 

For example. Let's take the spiritual path or religion of Hinduism. It can be a controversial issue. Some say you must be born a Hindu, others say you don't.

 

Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_conversion#Hinduism

 

Hindus today continue to be influenced by historical ideas of acceptability of conversion.^[35] Hence, many Hindus continue to believe that Hinduism is an identity that can only be had from birth,^[36] while many others continue to believe that anyone who follows Hindu beliefs and practices is a Hindu,^[37] and many believe in some form of both theories. However, as a reaction to perceived and actual threat of evangelization, prozelyzation, and conversion activities of other major religions many modern Hindus are opposed to the idea of conversion from (any) one religion to (any) other per se.^[38]

 

 

It is also a Legitimate spiritual question and issue in say, Judaism. Some might say you have to be born Jewish. This issue probably goes all the way back to Jesus' time and before.

Edited February 8, 2013 by Immortal4life

[Aetherous]

Further, even your remarks that gay men tend toward more STD's because you worked in, who knows where, is unsubstantiated.

 

It's not a rule that you must substantiate all claims you make on an internet forum. That'd be nice at times...but I was just sharing my very clear experience. Take it for what it's worth...just casual discussion.

 

I guess we could pull out the statistics from an unbiased source, if anyone is willing to do a bit of research...

 

http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats11/trends-2011.pdf There is some.

 

The problem is that one group is being singled out by what appears to be religious prejudice.

 

In some cases, this is true. I don't think that's happening on this forum.

Edited February 8, 2013 by turtle shell

[eye_of_the_storm]

Hypocrisy is the state of promoting or trying to enforce standards, attitudes, lifestyles virtues, beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually hold and may even regularly violate.^[1] Hypocrisy often involves the deception of others and is a lie.^[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy

So the issue here seems to be about Christianty?

With those voicing concern being mostly Luciferians....

Hmmm

...

Edited February 8, 2013 by White Wolf Running On Air

[ralis]

These are complex issues given the nature of this forum. At the end of the day, this is a forum that is spiritual/religious/metaphysical in nature.

 

It is far too simplistic for someone to just yell "racism" or "homophobia" when left with nothing else to say in any particular debate.

 

Shall the issue of race or sexuality just be banned outright? Are these forbidden to talk about? Who can say. The fact remains that when it comes to religion and spirituality, such issues as race and sex can be relevant in a religious or spiritual context.

 

For example. Let's take the spiritual path or religion of Hinduism. It can be a controversial issue. Some say you must be born a Hindu, others say you don't.

 

Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_conversion#Hinduism

 

 

 

 

It is also a Legitimate spiritual question and issue in say, Judaism. Some might say you have to be born Jewish.

Religious prejudice makes the this a complex issue, which you fail to understand. If you read the thread in question, maybe you will understand.

[ralis]

Hypocrisy is the state of promoting or trying to enforce standards, attitudes, lifestyles virtues, beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually hold and may even regularly violate.^[1] Hypocrisy often involves the deception of others and is a lie.^[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HypocrisySo the issue here seems to be about Christianty?With those voicing concern being mostly Luciferians....Hmmm...

To quote you from the thread in question, you accuse me of being an "ungodly liberal". Now you accuse me if being a "Luciferian". Why the bigoted remarks?

[Immortal4life]

Religious prejudice makes the this a complex issue, which you fail to understand. If you read the thread in question, maybe you will understand.

I didn't intend to specifically address the thread you are debating about. I was speaking in general. Sometimes issues of sex, gender, or race can be issues relevant to a religious or spiritual context.

Edited February 8, 2013 by Immortal4life

[eye_of_the_storm]

To quote you from the thread in question, you accuse me of being an "ungodly liberal". Now you accuse me if being a "Luciferian". Why the bigoted remarks?

 

It was a quip... as you said that I was a fundamentalist religious conservative (something along those lines, haha)

 

- In the thread regarding pornography.

 

Considering you are so caught up in the left - right paradigm

 

One assumes that you consider yourself the very opposite to a fundamentalist religious conservative

 

Hence the above.

 

Why your bigoted remarks?

1. Obstinately convinced of the superiority or correctness of one's own opinions and prejudiced against those who hold different opinions.

2. Expressing or characterized by prejudice and intolerance.

    

    

 

 

Edited February 8, 2013 by White Wolf Running On Air

[ralis]

It was a quip... as you said that I was a fundamentalist religious conservative (something along those lines, haha)

- In the thread regarding pornography.

Considering you are so caught up in the left - right paradigm

One assumes that you consider yourself the very opposite to a fundamentalist religious conservative

Hence the above.

Why your bigoted remarks?

 

• Obstinately convinced of the superiority or correctness of one's own opinions and prejudiced against those who hold different opinions.

• Expressing or characterized by prejudice and intolerance.

If you go back and read my posts over the last few years you may understand that I speak out against extremist points of view. It only appears that I am on the left. Most of the extremist points of view here are from the right, whether religious or political. Most if not all persons which includes you, are not even aware that your syntax contains unsubstantiated absolutes. Or to phrase it in a more elementary level, most human primates, with few exceptions, are obsessed with describing reality in terms of an absolute 'isness'. That so called absolute is an illusion.

Edited February 8, 2013 by ralis

[eye_of_the_storm]

If you go back and read my posts over the last few years you may understand that I speak out against extremist points of view. It only appears that I am on the left. Most of the extremist points of view here are from the right, whether religious or political.

 

 

I also speak out against extremism. It only appears that I am on the right. Most of the extremist points of view here are from the left, whether irreligious or political.

 

 

 

 

Edited February 8, 2013 by White Wolf Running On Air

[Aetherous]

If you go back and read my posts over the last few years you may understand that I speak out against extremist points of view. It only appears that I am on the left. Most of the extremist points of view here are from the right, whether religious or political.

 

Can you share an example of how you are not leftist?

[ralis]

Can you share an example of how you are not leftist?

That would divert from the present problem.

[Aetherous]

True. Maybe in a new thread, then. I am interested to learn more about your point of view.

[ralis]

The Homophobia on this forum is disgusting.

 

The mods continue to refuse action on curtailing Homophobia, which is wrong.

 

When a thread gets 'out of hand' on Homophobia Issues, the Mods simply send it to the pit, without reprimanding anyone.

 

Can you Imagine how different it would be if it was Racism they were preaching? 6 month suspension!

But no, its not racism, its homophobia. That seems to be all well and good on this forum. A Mods thumbs up!

 

 

Known homophobic hate speech advocates: ETthoughts, WhitewolfrunningonAir and Gaito, continue to spread viscous and slanted anti gay propaganda, unrepromanded.

 

WWROA should be sitting on 3 to 6, for numerous of his postings, unless of course Homophobia is not an important social justice issue our society is facing right now.

 

 

Ralis continues to bring up this 'non Issue' and is met with ridicule and derision, mostly by the offenders here.

 

 

TTB's, in allowing injustice to go unchecked, is becoming corrupt in its soul. {the mods are the soul}

You were right about what happens here. The thread has disappeared down the memory hole. Nowhere to be found. Edited February 8, 2013 by ralis

[Aetherous]

Moderators,

Could you not disappear threads at all, please?

[Seth Ananda]

I agree that injustice is going unchecked here (when something is reported, there should be a moderator response)...but has anyone actually broken a rule in regard to the gay discussion?

Vilifying and targeting a demographic of people with hatred has no place on any forum outside of the westborough baptist church forums.

You can't moderate someone for being homophobic or having certain offensive opinions...just like you can't moderate someone for being gay. Who you are isn't exactly a choice.

Yes you can. Racism here has received swift mod reactions {at times} in the past. People have the right to be Racist or Homophobic within the sanctity of their own minds, but not to spread that shit on a forum.

If someone started referring to blacks as 'niggers' or slave monkeys here, and began posting 'science' sourced from the Klan websites, they would be banned by the mods as fast as they could say "Ni..!"

 

But if its about Gays it seems like its just fine to source all kinds of 'science' from conservative websites, as long at it helps you paint them all as being STD ridden perverts, who are not really Gay, but are merely choosing live that life style.

 

 

 

Is anyone's feelings hurt by something that was said? How could we change our behavior to make them feel better, while still discussing things?

 

I was brought up in an Intensely Homophobic environment. My family believed that Gay men should be publicly stoned - Literally.

Once I had left that toxic environment, I knew I still had many prejudices towards homosexuals, so I endeavoured to meet them and ask them about their actual experiences.

 

I didn't tell them what they were like, from the christian 'science' I had been indoctrinated with, but I said "I have always been told that... about you guys. Is that true?"

 

 

I think it is fine to ask questions. But it is not fine at all to take a stand on the subject, with ones little list of links and publicly declare that they are un-natural filthy things.

 

Think of Bullying in schools. The schools with the best anti bullying policies, and a Zero Tolerance for bullying stance are the ones that have the least bullying, and are the ones that are the safest to go to.

 

the next time WWROA opens his mouth with anti Gay propoganda, he should be dished 6 months. Zero Tolerance on these Issues.

 

Of course If the board thinks these Issues are not really 'Important' cultural and social issues, and is happy to allow hate speech and ignorance to fester here at the TTB's, then nothing should happen.

[Apech]

Moderators,

 

Could you not disappear threads at all, please?

 

 

Hiding posts/threads is usually a temporary measure pending final action. if for instance the mod team are discussing what to do.

[eye_of_the_storm]

Seth did you look at all of my sources?

I highly doubt it.

Did you read all my posts?

1 being from a book written by homosexuals about the homosexual lifestyle.

Are you saying they are liars?

People are getting too emotionally engaged.... a little objectivity would be nice.

I thought this forum was dedicated to spiritual pursuits and transcending carnal desires / other vices... not indulging them.

Why is this topic constantly raised... by the radical left?

I dont think this topic has been raised once on TTB... other than by radical left peoples.

Do you have some sort of agenda?

One posts a few facts... and you lose your minds.

Radical left dictatorship? Mirco + Marco

Suppress all those who dissent ?

You going to execute anyone with conservative views?

Say you have a son/ daughter... would you not educate them about healthy practices?

I don't understand why you believe homosexuals to be so sparkling clean? (I think in the OP it was called PERFECTLY HEALTHY*?... perfect hmm? If you say so)

Much has already been said about hetrosexual relationships + precautions and safety measures...

But apparently homosexuals are above such things?

If a Christian told you that the building you're in is burning down would you leave? or from other "conservative" groups you so despise?

Edited February 8, 2013 by White Wolf Running On Air