Vampire Lizards walk amongst us. Or do they?

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[Apech]

I read that Apep was always pictured with weapons in him to restrict his power.

Do you have anything more to say about that um... Apep? An order out of chaos thing?

Oh... nice profile pic btw.

Cat mentions alchemy. Pretty violent image, but then violent imagery isn't unusual in newer, western alchemical traditions either now that i think of it. Slaying the dragon.

 

yes ... its a bit hard to see but if you look here:

 

 

The serpent in front of the sun god's boat is Apep and in his back are knives. This is the scene from the 7th hour of night in the book called the Amduat and shows Apep being overcome. Now interestingly he is not killed but fettered ...the text says he dwells in the sky but is fettered on earth.

 

The goddess in the front of the boat with her arms outstretched ins Isis as a magician enchanting the snake and the goddess at its neck is Serket the scorpion goddess who had the title of 'she who restricts the windpipe' so she is throttling it.

 

 

I can write more about this if anyone is interested ... but probably on another thread.

Edited February 2, 2013 by Apech

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[Apech]

It's interesting how what we repress becomes demonic.

Seems like nagas were celebrated (or at least worshipped) in many earlier cultures.

Then the Church came along and serpents were demonized.

And now the reptiles are here to take over the world, according to David Icke.

 

 

But then you have angels, who were never demonized. Seraphim. Did someone banish the wrong serpents?

Maybe I'm overlaying a larger pattern of repression/remanifestation onto the reptilian phenomena where it doesn't really fit. It does fit better with the otherworld in general.

People have no totems/language for their soul only antidepressiva.

 

 

Apech I would be very interested in a separate thread

 

I'll probably put it in Hermetic sub.

[Birch]

"It's interesting how what we repress becomes demonic."

 

Or the other way around. Interesting that the fierce dieties in Buddhism don't seem to have the same issues as demons (maybe this is just my idea).

[Mark Saltveit]

we can be friends with snakes even when the knives are out

 

 

 

This snake doesn't need any more friends like that.

[eye_of_the_storm]

Here are some demons at practice / vampires lizards... whatever you want to call them

Kosher / Halal

[eye_of_the_storm]

"It's interesting how what we repress becomes demonic." Or the other way around. Interesting that the fierce dieties in Buddhism don't seem to have the same issues as demons (maybe this is just my idea).

I somewhat agree with you statement... what is and isn't a demon?

 

Fierce deities / Dharma protectors... very different things

 

The demons purpose is the very opposite... to destroy all that is good...pervert, corrupt... anti life

 

What is the need for Dharma protectors???

 

With the rise of Judaism /Christianity most of the "Pagan" Gods were demonized ... turned into "myths / legends"

 

So your god is real? but mine is just a mythology? haha ok...

 

see...

 

Aspects of Indra as a deity are cognate to other Indo-European gods; they are either thunder gods such as Thor, Perun, and Zeus, or gods of intoxicating drinks such as Dionysos. The name of Indra (Indara) is also mentioned among the gods of the Mitanni, a Hurrian speaking people who ruled northern Syria from ca.1500BC-1300BC.

 

But then...

the name 'Indra' appears in Zoroastrian texts as that of a demon opposing Truth (Vd. 10.9; Dk. 9.3; Gbd. 27.6, 34.27) .... sooo?

 

Somewhat like the Twin scenario... where both are calling each other the devil and each are claiming to be the Truth... (funny if they are both the devil... and it's all just an elaborate hoax... ha)

 

difficult time figuring out who is who...

 

The demons being fallen angels? (in Juda?Christ?Islamic texts)... who knows how they may disguise themselves...

 

Maybe the angels are demons and the demons are angels?

 

Last I checked Buddhist / Taoist eastern gods/ Buddhas etc... didn't need binding/ banishing etc...

 

They are like meeting old friends?

 

In terms of... externalizing internal... why? - `` ... introspection, meditation... no hocus pocus

 

Like so much in this world... and its double speak... war is peace and so on

 

may be just like the political system here? hahah

 

Repub / Demo haha

 

All working for the same devil

 

with no Truth in either of them.

 

Why do you trust that it is an "angel"..or what an angel is? just because somebody says so?

 

 

 

Edited February 4, 2013 by White Wolf Running On Air

[eye_of_the_storm]

I read that Apep was always pictured with weapons in him to restrict his power.

Do you have anything more to say about that um... Apep? An order out of chaos thing?

Oh... nice profile pic btw.

Cat mentions alchemy. Pretty violent image, but then violent imagery isn't unusual in newer, western alchemical traditions either now that i think of it. Slaying the dragon.

 

I would be more interested in this older..less violent alchemy... ?

 

surely there is a better way to explain things?

 

than an image of a snake having its head cut off...

 

Would an Immortal / Buddha be producing such imagery... whilst teaching compassion + virtue... interconnectedness of life... I don't think so...

 

So what mental state are these people coming from?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 4, 2013 by White Wolf Running On Air

[suninmyeyes]

snake worship in Africa

 

http://archive.org/stream/serpentworshipin211hamb/serpentworshipin211hamb_djvu.txt

[Apech]

 

I would be more interested in this older..less violent alchemy... ?

 

surely there is a better way to explain things?

 

than an image of a snake having its head cut off...

 

Would an Immortal / Buddha be producing such imagery... whilst teaching compassion + virtue... interconnectedness of life... I don't think so...

 

So what mental state are these people coming from?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the Egyptians were not particularly violent or bloodthirsty (compare with Aztecs and Incas for instance) but they reflected the world in which they lived ... battle were fought and enemies overthrown and so on. They didn't have modern sensibilities about such things. Buddhism (or some forms of it) does have wrathful images and deities dancing on corpses and so on.

 

In life we have to overcome obstacles, defeat our own demons, Buddha overcame Mara and so on. The snake in the picture represents the forces of decay and dissollution and all that would prevent the sun rising (in Egyptian mythology) ... in most versions of this myth it is not actually slaughtered but only chained/ fettered. However their underworld includes some decapitations and killing of enemies it is true.

Edited February 4, 2013 by Apech

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True

Edited February 4, 2013 by White Wolf Running On Air

[eye_of_the_storm]

A Rakshasa or alternatively rakshas, is a race of mythological humanoid beings or unrighteous spirit in Hindu and Buddhist religion. Rakshasas are also called man-eaters ("Nri-chakshas," "Kravyads"). A female Rakshasa is called a Rakshasi, and a female Rakshasa in human form is a Manushya-Rakshasi. Often Asura and Rakshasa are interchangeably used.

According to the Ramayana, Rakshasas were created from Brahma's foot; other sources claim they are descended from Pulastya, or from Khasa, or from Nirṛti and Nirrita. Hinduism maintains that the Rakshasas were particularly wicked humans in previous incarnations.^{[citation needed]} Rakshasas are notorious for disturbing sacrifices, desecrating graves, harassing priests, possessing human beings, and so on. Their fingernails are venomous, and they feed on human flesh and spoiled food. They are shapechangers, illusionists, and magicians.

In Theravada Buddhist literature

In the Maha Samaya Sutta, the defeated antagonist of the Buddha, Mara also known as "Namuci" or the "Dark One" is described as an Asura whose army consisted of "Sensual passions, Discontent, Hunger and Thirst, Craving, Sloth and Drowsiness, Terror, Uncertainty, Hypocrisy and Stubbornness, Gains, Offerings, Fame and Status wrongly gained, and whoever would praise self and disparage others" (Sn 3.2 Padhana Sutta). The Asuras try to capture the devas and bind them.

The Alavaka Sutta (SN 10.12) of the Pali Canon details a story where the Buddha was harassed by a Rakshasa, who asked him to leave and then come back over and over. The Buddha refused to leave, whereby the Rakshasa threatened to harm him if he could not answer his questions. The rest of the sutra concerns the question and answer dialogue, and at the end, the demon is then convinced and becomes a follower of the Buddha.^[1] Srilankan (Sinhala) ancentral legends refer to Yakshas as well.^[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rakshasa

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The incarnation of Vishnu known to almost everyone in India is his life as Ram (Rama in Sanskrit), a prince from the ancient north Indian kingdom of Ayodhya, in the cycle of stories known as the Ramayana (The Travels of Ram). On one level, this is a classic adventure story, as Ram is exiled from the kingdom and has to wander in the forests of southern India with his beautiful wife Sita and his loyal younger brother Lakshman. After many adventures, during which Ram befriends the king of the monkey kingdom and joins forces with the great monkey hero Hanuman, the demon king Ravana kidnaps Sita and takes her to his fortress on the island of Lanka (modern Sri Lanka). A huge war then ensues, as Ram with his animal allies attacks the demons, destroys them all, and returns in triumph to North India to occupy his lawful throne.

Everyone knows that Ram is really Vishnu, who came down to rid the earth of the demons and set up an ideal kingdom of righteousness--Ram Raj--which stands as an ideal in contemporary India. Sita is in reality his consort, the goddess Lakshmi, the ideal of feminine beauty and devotion to her husband. Lakshmi, also known as Shri, eventually became the goddess of fortune, surplus, and happiness. Hanuman, as the faithful sidekick with great physical and magical powers, is one of the most beloved images in the Hindu pantheon with temples of his own throughout the country.

Another widely known incarnation is Krishna. In the Mahabharata (Great Battle of the Descendants of Bharata), the gigantic, multivolume epic of ancient North Indian kingdoms, Krishna appears as the ruler of one of the many states allied either with the heroic Pandava brothers or with their treacherous cousins, the Kauravas. Bharata was an ancient king whose achievements are celebrated in the Mahabharata and from whose name derives one of the names for modern India, that is Bharat.

During the final battle, Krishna serves as charioteer for the hero Arjuna, and before the fighting starts he bolsters Arjuna's faltering will to fight against his kin. Krishna reveals himself as Vishnu, the supreme godhead, who has set up the entire conflict to cleanse the earth of evildoers according to his inscrutable will.

This section of the epic, the Bhagavad Gita , or Song of the Lord, is one of the great jewels of world religious literature and of central importance in modern Hinduism. One of its main themes is karma-yoga , or selfless discipline in offering all of one's allotted tasks in life as a devotion to God and without attachment to consequences. The true reality is the soul that neither slays nor is slain and that can rejoin God through selfless dedication and through Krishna's saving grace.

http://www.photius.com/religion/india_vishnu.html

[idiot_stimpy]

White Wolf thank you for posting that video. I am making a more strict effort to eat 100% vegetarian.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSuOVEM_fLg&list=WL4C774A4ADEA0897D

[eye_of_the_storm]

Cannibalism of Christ (The Sacrament of the Body and Blood of Christ)

Revelation 9:20 says that the last days would be characterized by the worship of demons. Likewise, in 1 Cor. 10:19-20, the apostle Paul associates the eating of idolatrous sacrifices with entering into communion and fellowship with demons.

Partaking of the sacrificed victims of idolatry was an integral
part of what Paul described as "the table of demons" (1 Cor.
10:21). In 1 Cor. 10:21, the Greek word underlying the English
rendering of "table" is trapeza. Under its entry for trapeza,
Thayer's Greek Lexicon says that "to partake of a feast [or of a
sacrificed victim] prepared by demons ... [was to] enter into
communion and fellowship with the demons."

This partaking of the sacrificed victims of idolatry extended even
to the eating of human sacrifices. Alexander Hislop tells us that
"the priests of Nimrod or Baal were necessarily required to eat of human
sacrifices; and thus it has come to pass that 'Cahna-Bal,' the
'Priest of Baal,' is the established word in our own tongue for a devourer of human flesh" (Babylon Mystery Religion Ancient and Modern [Riverside, CA: Ralph Woodrow Evangelistic Association, Inc., 1966], p. 232). Satan was also worshiped under the name Molech--or Moloch, with its accompanying child sacrifice (cf. Jer. 19:5; 2 Kings 16:3; 21:6).

That the priests of Baal, or Satan, were cannibals is entirely
understandable. In symbolic prophecy, Satan is represented as a lower animal seeking to eat human flesh. In 1 Peter 5:8, forexample, he is likened to "a roaring lion ... seeking whom he may devour." Likewise, in Revelation 12:4 he is described metaphorically as a monstrous reptile seeking to devour the Christ child "as soon as it was born." It should also be noted that Satan's great apostate church is described in symbolic prophecy as a great human-blood-drinking whore. She is described as being "drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus" (Rev. 17:6).

http://www.theologyoftruth.com/toxic-shots.html

Edited February 5, 2013 by White Wolf Running On Air

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A reptile statue found in graves of the Ubaid people who lived in what is now Iraq up to around 4,000 BC

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles04.htm

[GrandmasterP]

These reptilians then.

What a bunch or bar stewards they sound to be.

Ickey reckons that our Mrs Queen is one in disguise.

[Apech]

A reptile statue found in graves of the Ubaid people who lived in what is now Iraq up to around 4,000 BC

 

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles04.htm

 

 

Didn't realise they had topless bathing in old Iraq.

[eye_of_the_storm]

Ha! ...

You know what Apech....

Who knows if those statues are even real... as in the 4000 BC Iraq... etc etc

For all we know they could have been made yesterday by the system to fabricate some alien origins / intervention theory to further dehumanize + keep us away from true knowledge / power (Divinity) etc

50/50?

haha

Edited February 5, 2013 by White Wolf Running On Air

[Apech]

Ha! ...

 

You know what Apech....

 

Who knows if those statues are even real... as in the 4000 BC Iraq... etc etc

 

For all we know they could have been made yesterday by the system to fabricate some alien origins / intervention theory to further dehumanize + keep us away from true knowledge / power (Divinity) etc

 

50/50?

 

haha

 

 

 

Well human figures with animal heads are common in the ancient world ... look at Egypt. They are also common feature of shamanic visions as are serpents ... so I would guess that is where all this is coming from ...

[eye_of_the_storm]

yes or that