20 days of experimentation with semen retention

[mike 134]

Almost 3 weeks ago lightening struck twice as my @#@% buddy left me and my internet service slowed to a crawl. So with limited access to the fairer sex I decided it was high time to refrain from ejaculating for as long as possible to study its effects on somebody with the so called kundalini syndrome, and also to manipulate and experiment with body heat to investigate what its effects are on different parts of the body. I am happy to share the following results.

 

1. Heat (energy/chi/prana/whatever u call it) increases the longer I go without ejaculating.

No real surprise here. At the beginning I could only generate vague heat that was not very hot. As time went on I can almost burn myself with the vast quantities of heat, and even create swirling vortex effects on the major nexi of the body.

 

2. Manipulating the heat generally has no effect.

I can send that stuff easily to almost anywhere in the body just by thinking about it, but generally it does not lead to any effects that cannot be attributed to the placebo effect. For instance, heating up and swirling the heart does not create effects associated with "the heart chakra", such as emotional disturbance. Heating up the stomach area does not lead to digestive changes.

 

3. Heat manipulation is augmented by modulating the breathing.

The abdominal and pelvic areas are heated more easily by doing a slow valsava maneuver (on exhalation). This is probably the result of pressure on the vagal nerve. I have reason to believe that libido can be increased using this method but there is a large placebo effect at work.

 

4. Altered states of consciousness are NOT facilitated by semen retention.

This is the most surprising result. I keep close records of my OBE's, lucid dreams, astral events, god consciousness, etc. However, during those 3 weeks I did not experience a single event. Contrast this to the two weeks before I started refraining, and I had two random OBE's even though I was ejaculating daily. Now as I am not a spiritual person and decline to do meditation and yoga, all of my experiences to date have been random and not produced because of some practice. So I cannot preclude the possibility that conscious and willing evocation may be facilitated; only that there is no effect on random experiences.

 

5. I did not experience any personality changes whatsoever.

 

 

6. Side effects are worse the longer I went without ejaculating.

This is actually the most significant lession I learned. After a few days of retention I started to get insomnia, and a few days latter I simply could not fall asleep without taking sleeping pills. I also started twitching much more and getting more restless. So I got fed up with this experiment and decided to end it. The night I finally ejaculated, I slept like a baby and felt better.

 

7. Creating heat in the perineum and then trying to send it upward does not cause it to enter the "central channel."

Meh, I was looking forward to pulling this one off but it doesn't work. If you want to enter the central channel (and deliberately induce altered states) you have to try some other, probably more difficult, method. Damn.

 

I think I'm done here on this board because I know that ejaculating really helps my symptoms. I might pop up once in a blue moon to post but for now my strategy is to just carry on and ejaculate daily. Later!

Edited February 14, 2013 by mike 134

[Flolfolil]

altered states are extremely influenced by semen retention for me. If i ejaculate before bed i just wont dream that night at all

[skydog]

Also It is generally said that 100 days plus is reccomended to reboot the brain.

 

And I dont care about retaining, My sexual energy is in need of harmony It seems kind of pointless to do advanced exercises I never cared for. Im practicing the male deer exercise, healthy masturbation without fantasy, horse stance, being relaxed is more important when you convert jing to qi very quickly to nourish the jing etc, and living according to my heart should naturally make one avoid porn.

 

But I dont claim to have mastered anything, just sharing my research, hope harmony is well with you soon

Edited February 14, 2013 by sinansencer

[mike 134]

That's strange I have vivid dreams nightly regardless of how many times I ejaculate, of all the days I'm been alive since puberty I've ejaculated on 98% of them. Just no weird stuff during that 3 weeks. 100 days? LOL 20 was my max I was so restless I can't go longer than that. And I'm not talking about sexual restlessness and being horny either, I'm talking about racing rapid thoughts, twitching, fidgeting, laying in bed for hours without falling asleep, etc, all that kundalini syndrome stuff.

 

100 days will fry my brain. No thanks.

Edited February 14, 2013 by mike 134

[voidisyinyang]

To create chi energy from jing you need Emptiness.

 

To think "semen retention" is already defeating your purpose.

 

Instead focus on burning the jing to create electromagnetic chi energy.

 

You store the energy in your lower tan tien - so it's not some kundalini brain frying experience.

 

I recommend getting the SMall Universe practice c.d. from http://www.springforestqigong.com/index.php/small-universe-60-min-cd

 

If you're worried about having too much sex energy then you just need to change diet or manipulate other factors -- exercise more, etc.

 

The older you get, depending on various factors, then the more difficult it will be to create chi energy from your jing energy.

 

So you want to achieve what's called "laying the foundation" which is to permanently open the third eye by creating enough chi energy.

 

To do this study the book Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality - you can find it online via scribd or mediafire, etc.

[safi]

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Edited January 26, 2020 by safi

[Jetsun]

Sexual abstinence will bring out the latent ailments and heal them. That's why you felt bad in those 20 days.

Depends, if you use repression then it just strengthens them.

[safi]

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[safi]

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[Jetsun]

I didn't say people shouldn't control their desires but repression does not always lead to you controlling them, if you repress something too much the drive goes into the dark of your subconscious where you no longer have awareness of it, where it festers and tries to get expressed in other ways which ends up creating neurosis and coming out in ways you don't have control of. Pretty much the whole Western psychoanalysis/psychotherapy tradition is based upon this principle. Why do you think so many celibate Priests become perverts? their sexual drives were put into the dark where they turned toxic.

Edited February 14, 2013 by Jetsun

[Jetsun]

Modern people seem to think that repression is the cause of problems rather than indulgence. It's not true at all. If you were to look at the most perverted people, you would find out that most of them weren't that perverted when they were younger. They gradually became more perverted by indulging in their urges. "Normal" things become boring due to repeated indulgence and so the indulger will start doing more abnormal (which he finds more exciting) stuff to satisfy his endless desires.

 

Indulgence is the problem and not repression and restraining yourself physically but not mentally is still a form of indulgence. If people were to truly repress their urges then they will evenually conquer them.

Meditation shows you that aversion and indulgence are just as unhealthy as each other.

[safi]

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Edited January 26, 2020 by safi

[Jetsun]

 

Actually out of all the celibate priests very few of them become perverts.

IThere is not just a mountain of evidence of mass perversion but institutional perversion amongst priests who spend all day every day trying to control their desires with repression.

 

The opposite of aversion is attraction and not indulgence. They're 2 completely different things.

I suggest you try meditating and watch how your mind habitually is either averse or indulges in your thoughts and emotions.

[safi]

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Edited January 26, 2020 by safi

[joeblast]

That's strange I have vivid dreams nightly regardless of how many times I ejaculate, of all the days I'm been alive since puberty I've ejaculated on 98% of them. Just no weird stuff during that 3 weeks. 100 days? LOL 20 was my max I was so restless I can't go longer than that. And I'm not talking about sexual restlessness and being horny either, I'm talking about racing rapid thoughts, twitching, fidgeting, laying in bed for hours without falling asleep, etc, all that kundalini syndrome stuff.

 

100 days will fry my brain. No thanks.

find the root of the restlessness. what is it?

 

when the generative force is full, there is no desire.

 

you're stuck on concepts and forms. go into deep stillness. the perceived movement, wanting of movement, is overcome by emptiness. that's still "doing something" with the energy - enhancing jqs! but it is doing by non-doing.

 

 

http://thetaobums.com/topic/26581-mind-inscription-scripture/#entry395353

Edited February 14, 2013 by joeblast

[skydog]

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Edited February 14, 2013 by sinansencer

[liminal_luke]

I've been reading this book "The Happiness Trap" about a psychotherapeutic modality called ACT (acceptance and commitment therapy). There's some pretty interesting stuff about how to approach thoughts that I think might be useful in terms of sexual thoughts too. Basically the idea is not be at war with our thoughts and try to push them away but also not to "fuse" with them, not to identify too strongly with our thoughts. It's kinda like vipassana for therapists.

 

Here's some of the techniques and how I might use them if the thought came up that I wanted to indulge myself sexually.

 

(1) Say "I notice that I'm having the thought....." So when the sexual urge came up I'm say to myself "I notice that I'm having that sexual urge thought."

 

(2) To realize that it's a story, and notice that your telling yourself that story again. Say to yourself...."Oh, here's that I've got to have sex right now story."

 

(3) Put the thought to mucic in your mind. Sing "I've got to have sex right now" to the tune of Jingle Bells.

 

(4) Say the thought to yourself using a funny voice. Say "I've got to have sex" in a Darth Vader voice or like Bugs Bunny, etc.

 

I've only been experimenting with these techniques for the last hour or so but I've got to say they do seem to work to "defuse"--to get some distance between myself and my thoughts.

[voidisyinyang]

Yeah when I did the intensive qigong training in 2000 I was on a vegan diet and even salt free using Braggs as a veggie sodium source - so I ate brown rice, brocolli and tofu as my main course -- using a steam cooker.

 

O.K. so I did qigong about six hours a day -- I ate normally in amounts -- at first to build up the jing energy you want to do more standing active exercises and yeah the small universe is the focus of the practice.

 

So then when the electromagnetic energy builds up you go into full lotus. Umm -- I relied on the qigong master transmissions from Chunyi Lin to build up my energy.

 

So it depends on age and how much exercise, etc. I didn't exercise that much -- and also had very little social interactions and I did not post online, etc. I just read meditation books and no movies, no t.v.

 

So that was a six month period and then Chunyi Lin confirmed I had an enlightenment experience. After that I moved nine times in one year looking for a quiet place but I could sense the energy impurities everywhere in the city. I stopped practicing for a couple months to see if the magnetic bliss in the center of my brain would go away -- it did not so I realized it was permanent but my energy channels in my body closed down from that.

 

So then to build up my energy again I sat in full lotus in public because otherwise females -- even strangers and young females -- were chasing after me - hitting on me. So only the full lotus would burn off the sex energy to reverse any drainage -- to create first jing energy as heat and then chi energy.

 

So then sitting in full lotus in public a female stood in front of my eyes - with her backside to me and then she lept into the air and yelled out and at the same time emission shot up my spine. I returned the next day and she pushed her coworker from the register so she could serve me and she was still laughing with bliss. I knew then that indeed we had a mutual climax but I wanted to test it out so I sat in full lotus across from a young fetching female. So then I continued sitting in full lotus in public and I realized I was "flexing" my pineal gland for these energy transmissions and it was not just mutual orgasms but also my liver would got hot or I would be overwhelmed by sadness. So I was taking in external energy blockages and then in full lotus transforming them into chi energy, transmitting them back to people. So then some coworkers who talked to me about this also came to me to get energy charge ups. But the main problem is that I was off-gassing crap smell whenever I flexed my pineal gland -- so all the lower body pollution was going into my brain - the sex emissions but also the anaerobic bacteria.

 

So then I continued doing this for five years - I did a three day fast while in full lotus around young females while flexing my pineal gland and I was never hungry nor did I lose energy -- biking 10 miles a day while fasting. So then later I did a 10 day fast in full lotus doing the same thing. But since I was still "flexing" my pineal gland then I was also still off-gassing crap smell. I also had real love with half a dozen females who had been "repeat" customers for mutual climaxes at a distance. I discovered that after forty mutual climaxes with them then the jing energy built up to chi energy from the heart and our heart centers opened up as true love creating electromagnetic chi energy. So even physical separation felt like heart break and when in the same building it was like being holographically interwoven electromagnetically through the heart. This was too overwhelming - along with the strong off-gassing of crap smell which I had tried to counteract using antiseptics.

 

So then I quit my job and I biked 250 miles to visit the Buddhist monasteries by the Asian immigrant communities. I tried becoming a monk but the other monk was a perv and he sucked off my energy while I was asleep. I was told that sitting in full lotus and fasting were not Buddhism. So I read their meditation books and I discovered that "achievement of cessation" in Theraveda Buddhism means a week long fast to enter into the first levels of samadhi. So then I left the monastery in the middle of the night -- my second night there - biking in the freezing rain, dumpster diving for food and other survival methods engaged.

 

After 250 miles I biked up to my parents living in an isolated forest area and I proceeded to do hard physical labor -- removing the European invasive buckthorn and doing permaculture humanure compost gardening and cutting wood for the woodstove and snow shoveling the quarter mile service road and then house chores for my elderly parents. I continued having precognitive dreams and visions. I finally got a phone healing from Chunyi Lin - my first phone healing. I asked him if giving females bliss by flexing my pineal gland was o.k. and I "flexed" my pineal gland over the phone. He said it was great I could give females bliss but that until I stored up my energy in my lower tan tien then my transmissions would always be weak. I remembered how my chi energy had been much stronger when I had my enlightenment experience and so I asked him if I needed to get it back to where it was ten years ago. He said yes. At that time I had accidentally pulled this old lady's spirit out of the top center of her skull -- she didn't see what I was doing but she had asked me for a healing and I was standing to her side. I forgot to not pull the energy blockages out of the top center of the skull. I had just been finishing a week long fast on half a glass of water. I felt this heavy electromagnetic blob get pulled out of the top of her skull and right when I felt it she immediately started bawling and she kept bawling for at least 15 minutes. I also healed my mom of her smoker's legs so she no longer needed surgical stockings nor needed to keep her legs elevated and rest them all the time.

 

So on building up jing energy it depends on numerous factors - the emotional blockage is how many other people are taking your energy. As Gary Clyman states it's important to define your own personal body boundaries and not let people just take your energy all the time. Qigong master Jim Nance stated that I usually have more energy than other people but then they take it from me and that I needed to build up my energy to such an extent that other people could not even sense that I had more energy. He said this is very difficult to do. I knew he meant I need to open my third eye fully.