Suspension

[Aetherous]

ONE, the biggest problem:

People getting butthurt. no offense, but nothing that is going on is as big of a deal as it is being treated

 

So how do we fix this problem? Tell people they're butthurt and that they're making a big deal out of nothing?

 

How about you fuck off instead, and let people discuss what they want to discuss!

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

if discuss were the appropriate description of the exchange, i'd have fucked off a long time ago and wouldnt be following the events. or trying to.


Honestly, until the mods tell us what happened, there isnt really much TO follow.


Sorry man, but barking at a cat in a tree isnt gonna coerce the cat down.

[Aetherous]

Thanks for your assistance.

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

minus istance, i think. i dont feel like i am helpping a damn thing.

[Aetherous]

...you're right...

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

oh well. i thought i'd have a shot, offered my help. you accepted, and i blew it such is life. shit happens. let's just not throw any more shit on the fan, please?

[Mal]

Scotty... If you argued your points like this when I was moderating, I'd regret the efforts I took to remain friends with you

[Aetherous]

Thanks Mal, that means a lot?

[Mal]

Seriously, while I don't know what it looked like to you. It took a LOT of effort for me to remain on speaking terms with yourself and Stig ..... Meanwhile Sean an I have barely exchanged an email since (although given what I said I can understand that)

Edited February 20, 2013 by Mal Stainkey

[Aetherous]

If it's taking that much effort to remain on speaking terms, and yet we haven't actually spoken more than a few words here and there since then...and now you post a response out of the blue like what you did tonight, completely ignoring any reasoning in my posts and only focusing on the negative, adding another opinion against me...you might as well just stop trying. It clearly hasn't worked. Plus, I'd rather not be on speaking terms with someone that I can't relate to at all, who chooses to hold a grudge against me and call it friendship. Feel free to hate me, if you so choose.

You and viator seem very similar to me in how you behave when in this moderator position. I was going to say it flat out, that viator is the new Mal, but didn't want to bring you into this and offend you...until you felt the need to "help".

[Birch]

Folks, may I remind you about the 'no insults' rule on the forum.

 

While being able to see and acknowledge the truth in what each of us is saying, that doesn't entitle us to insult each other in the process.

 

Scott, your insults towards the mod team and other members are noted.

 

Thanks everyone.

[Aetherous]

Feel free to suspend me, I know that I have insulted at least 2 people now and am unwilling to retract my statements about them.

[Mal]

You and viator seem very similar to me in how you behave when in this moderator position. I was going to say it flat out, that viator is the new Mal, but didn't want to bring you into this and offend you...until you felt the need to "help".

 

^ Well I'd take that as a complement

 

YMMV

[Birch]

Feel free to suspend me, I know that I have insulted at least 2 people now and am unwilling to retract my statements about them.

 

Agreed. You're on suspension. 7 days.

[Marblehead]

Seriously, while I don't know what it looked like to you. It took a LOT of effort for me to remain on speaking terms with yourself and Stig ..... Meanwhile Sean an I have barely exchanged an email since (although given what I said I can understand that)

Maybe you guys should not have taken it so personally? That is why I didn't get involved in that affair. It looked like a pissing contest to me and I am too old for games like that.

[Marblehead]

Feel free to suspend me, I know that I have insulted at least 2 people now and am unwilling to retract my statements about them.

All I will say here is that you cannot continue the fight if you are eliminated from the process.

 

You know how to get yourself suspended and/or banned. You have lots of practice.

 

Please help the process. All or nothing doesn't work!!!

[Marblehead]

Agreed. You're on suspension. 7 days.

Well, at least we, the general membership did get notification of this action. Thanks for that. No, I won't thank you for suspending him.

[Apech]

I suppose the thread has fulfilled its title now.

[Marblehead]

I still stand by everything I have said in this thread.

 

It seems that personalizing the discussion has lead to conflict and that was not my intention at all.

 

Sad.

 

Perhaps I will stop posting to this thread. We'll see what happens.

[Marblehead]

I suppose the thread has fulfilled its title now.

Yes, and that is sad. I accept partial responsibility for that.

[Apech]

Yes, and that is sad. I accept partial responsibility for that.

 

 

No. Just remember that in those fateful days of yesteryear when Scotty refused to serve a suspension, created numerous dummy accounts, abused at least three mods verbally ... he was allowed to keep his account and stay ... you can't get a place more mod lite than this ... but I think (and I know you'll think I'm biased) we need to cut the mod team some slack and accept that they do a good job ... it doesn't surprise me that they avoid discussing mod decisions on the forum because it just ends up that every decision gets pulled to pieces by someone ... and for some (not for you) its just about winning and getting one over on them.

 

I'll be the first to protest if they do something completely off the rails ... but I have yet to see it ...

[Marblehead]

No. Just remember that in those fateful days of yesteryear when Scotty refused to serve a suspension, created numerous dummy accounts, abused at least three mods verbally ... he was allowed to keep his account and stay ... you can't get a place more mod lite than this ... but I think (and I know you'll think I'm biased) we need to cut the mod team some slack and accept that they do a good job ... it doesn't surprise me that they avoid discussing mod decisions on the forum because it just ends up that every decision gets pulled to pieces by someone ... and for some (not for you) its just about winning and getting one over on them.

 

I'll be the first to protest if they do something completely off the rails ... but I have yet to see it ...

I think you know that I will always respect the Mods' decisions. All I am asking for, really, is that whatever actions are taken agains any member be made public. All this can be done within the "Moderation Logs" thread. Anyone wishing to waste their time arguing against their actions can go there and spend as much time as they like in arguement

 

But we all know that when the arguements get personal someone is going to lose. Therefore the Sage does not compete.

 

I will not attempt to defend Scotty, or Turtle Shell, or anyone else who competes against the moderation team. It is their responsibility to defend their position.

 

All I want to see is the truth. All of the truth, not just partial truths because partial truths can sometime be the same thing as a lie.

 

Sean wants moderation of the board. Many have offered of their personal time to help him in this want. I admire their willingness to give of themselves in this effort.

 

Honesty and openness is important to me. I have spoken much about these concepts in many other threads.

[Apech]

@MH

 

I think your position is understood and an honourable one of course. I think we must just wait and see how the mod team decides to do their business ... especially as two are brand new ... and already have some battle scars

[Marblehead]

@MH

 

I think your position is understood and an honourable one of course. I think we must just wait and see how the mod team decides to do their business ... especially as two are brand new ... and already have some battle scars

Hehehe to what I bolded. In the Army we called that OJT (on the job training).

 

Now, if no one else says anything directly to me in this thread perhaps I can take a break from it?

[Marblehead]

Okay. I clicked that I like this post of yours.

 

But you surely know that I must speak to it as it was directed to me. So ...

I saw that you expressed interest in a break from this thread, and you don't have to answer this if you don't want, but I do have a question for you.

But I must speak to it.

If there is a policy of public announcement every time a user is suspended then it is compulsory that the user's business is made public. That means if someone has a bad day, goes on a mini rant, gets a seven day suspension, that the entire community is going to know about it. From what I have seen evidenced in this thread, that means seven days of people talking about whether that user's suspension was justified or not. Mind you, this is not the user arguing about it. This is other members gossiping about that user's situation. Whether the user wanted people talking about it or not.

First, if there is a reason (and that would be only because the member has made a post that violates the board rules) for a member to be warned, suspended or banned the reason is already totally apparent in what (s)he posted. However, it may not be apparent to many of the members (because of misunderstandings of the rules).

 

I feel that a public warning should always be given before a suspension or banning is enforced if at all possible. I realize that all posts are not monitored in real time. When the violation is realized (generally as result of a report by another member) a warning or announcement of temporary suspension should be made as soon as possible. This will stop and/or prevent any gossiping.

 

The Mod Squad will then have time to discuss whether or not further action needs be taken. If a suspension or banning is in order one of the Mods can then start a thread stating the facts relating to the event.

If there is private notification to a user when they have performed an action leading to their suspension then it is that user's option, upon their return, to create a thread to discuss the merits of their break from the boards. The user in this case has the ability to bring the matter up on a community level or not. The user who was affected by the decision has control of how the situation goes and how public it becomes and has the ability to actually speak on their own behalf, which is not an option they have available to them in the previous scenario.

Yes, public warnings should always be followed by a PM to the offending member. This should be private unlss the offending member wishes to make it public and this can be done in a thread in the "Moderator Logs" sub-forum started by either the offending member or a moderator.

 

If a temporary suspension (no more than 48 hours) is transformed into a 7, 10, whatever day suspension then both sides will have had time to present their facts according to their understandings. This would prevent gossip of favoritism of certain members and gossip of witch-hunts by the moderators. This would also allow time to present the offending post(s) in the "logs" thread so that there are no questions as to what "really" happened.

In both of these scenarios the user serves out the suspension they have been handed, but in the first one the user has no control over how the suspension affects their reputation on the board. In the second scenario they do.

Reputation? Hahaha! If the member lost it for a while that only proves that the member is human. Has nothing to do with reputation. What each of us say while members of this board is what builds our reputation. Even I lose it on occasion and use my special words. I am totally sure that I do not have a perfect reputation with all members of this board. But building a reputation is not one of my goals so that doesn't matter. Learning and sharing with others is important to me. I would think that this would be one of the goals of every member here. Sure, some have other goals. Good for them. Some wish to have many internet friends - I wish them many friends. Some even want to make contact with others for other personal reasons - I wish them the best.

 

Our reputation is built over time, long term, not by a moment of frustration.

Which scenario do you really think is better for most people?

Hehehe. I have forgotten what the question was. I hope I have answered it.