Chi Weightlifting

[rain]

should prhps take off nice shoes during exercise?

with all due respect xeno, be careful guys. looks..scawy.

Edited September 5, 2008 by rain

[mantis]

so you're lifting from the tool xeno, i thought the chi weightlifting was from the testicles, to produce hormones?

[xenolith]

so you're lifting from the tool xeno, i thought the chi weightlifting was from the testicles, to produce hormones?

Do what the wisdom you have directs you to do to meet the objectives you have. If, when objectives are met and if the compassion within you is sufficient to cause you to share what you've learned with others, well...you will...as have I here.

 

I know not your objective. If CCA, well advised you are by offerings to this Forum. If more (male) hormones is it, well that's easy, reduce ejaculations...easier said than done though...suggest SKF training. Indeed SKF facility and CCA achievement require seminal retention...your objective may be a means to a more significant one.

 

If your objective is otherwise, I may be of significantly less utility to you...but happy to find out I am...to wit: what are your objectives?

 

Happy to help the sincere.

 

xeno

[mantis]

did you mean a CCO when you typed CCA?

 

as for objectives.. hmm. i'm starting the MCO practice as outlined by james mcneil of the little nine heaven system (which includes weightlifting) as it's recommended to start on a monday. i do believe in semen retention and if having a crown chakra "experience" (orgasm doesn't seem to fit) is the byproduct of these type of practices then by all means sign me up.

 

i have light weights, my problem is finding a device or building a device to hang from. i don't know if i'd hang from my sack though as pulling them down lightly with your hand hurts enough; currently practicing getting used to that.

 

Chi gong exercise is an important precursor to chi weightlifting for at least two reasons, it warms up the the muscles that will be strained, most importantly the BS, and develops the jing energy that will be distilled into chi during the weightlifting training. Simple overhand jelqing is probably the best method of achieving these objectives. Which brings up two important points, training should include roughly equal portions of time spent kegeling against an unliftable (by kegel flexing) training weight and kegeling against a liftable (by kegel flexing) training weight.

 

this is something that i've wanted to do for a while as well, kegel weight training.

[gendao]

'bout 50 lbs.

 

My apologies to those offended by my skin.

 

Offered to inspire. Few words will further be. Photos not.

Interesting. So, why do you choose to use a clamp instead of the traditional cloth braided like a Chinese finger trap?

 

And, you're saying that hanging below the sack is more for facilitating CCAs...whereas hanging above the sack may be better for hormone surges?

 

But, if you tied it above your sack, wouldn't you run the risk of ripping your balls off?

 

And, have you experienced any burst capillaries or injuries yet?

 

Also, what if you just yank on your penor for resistance? I guess that would just be more work to keep pulling that hard? So, using weights are easier?

[xenolith]

did you mean a CCO when you typed CCA?

Right...it's been clear to me for some time that orgasm is an inappropriate descriptor for the state, awareness is much more appropriate.

as for objectives.. hmm. i'm starting the MCO practice as outlined by james mcneil of the little nine heaven system (which includes weightlifting) as it's recommended to start on a monday. i do believe in semen retention and if having a crown chakra "experience" (orgasm doesn't seem to fit) is the byproduct of these type of practices then by all means sign me up.

I'm not familiar with that system or author, but it matters not, your experience will guide your practice irrespective of how it was launched.

i have light weights, my problem is finding a device or building a device to hang from.

A silk scarf wrapped as I described earlier in this thread will work well up to some weight ('bout 10-12lbs. for me) beyond which constriction issues present sufficiently to warrant an alternate attachment method. There a many other means of attachment, but I prefer a BIB hanger...developed for penis enlargement, but well suited for chi weightlifting.

i don't know if i'd hang from my sack though as pulling them down lightly with your hand hurts enough; currently practicing getting used to that.

This is an obvious point of diversion in the two forms of chi weightlifting...from the penis is meant to develop the BS muscle (and pelvic musculature in general) in order to improve seminal retention skills (SKF) for the expressed purpose of MCO mastery and the CCA experience that said mastery allows (which is the Great Straight-Upward Path of Enlightenment of the Tibetan Book of the Dead)...from the scrotum is meant to develop glandular tone and more esoteric functions that I'm not qualified to comment on...it has not been something that's been consistent with my objectives, therefore not something that I've pursued.

Chi gong exercise is an important precursor to chi weightlifting for at least two reasons, it warms up the the muscles that will be strained, most importantly the BS, and develops the jing energy that will be distilled into chi during the weightlifting training. Simple overhand jelqing is probably the best method of achieving these objectives. Which brings up two important points, training should include roughly equal portions of time spent kegeling against an unliftable (by kegel flexing) training weight and kegeling against a liftable (by kegel flexing) training weight.

this is something that i've wanted to do for a while as well, kegel weight training.

Kegel weight training IS chi weightlifting.

 

BTW, I always carry a collapsible kite with me on mountain hikes in case the wind picks up...a quick wrap, string through the loop and I'm chi weightflying

 

Do good things, let me know if I can help.

 

Love the opportunity to Love at every opportunity.

 

xeno

 

 

Interesting. So, why do you choose to use a clamp instead of the traditional cloth braided like a Chinese finger trap?

See previous post.

And, you're saying that hanging below the sack is more for facilitating CCAs...whereas hanging above the sack may be better for hormone surges?

Previous post should clear this up I think.

But, if you tied it above your sack, wouldn't you run the risk of ripping your balls off?

Yes, at some weight, no doubt about it. I don't hang that way though, again I think the previous post will clarify what I do.

And, have you experienced any burst capillaries or injuries yet?

No injuries, indeed extraordinarily good health.

Also, what if you just yank on your penor for resistance? I guess that would just be more work to keep pulling that hard? So, using weights are easier?

The BS muscle is a lot stronger, even the untrained one, than both human arms combined...need a lot of force to develop it. Wind power can help though

[mantis]

so was your main practice the MCO as detailed by mantak chia? i checked out the bib hanger and it's $130, which is a little more than 99 power qigong's DVD; which one do you believe would be the wiser purchase?

 

i believe the shih shui training james mcneil does includes wrapping around both the penis and testicles at the same time with the goal of "iron body" and glandular health.

 

do you believe celibacy with regular mco practice to be the best or sex/masturbation + mco?

 

thanks a lot for all the answers

[xenolith]

so was your main practice the MCO as detailed by mantak chia?

is my main practice, yes.

i checked out the bib hanger and it's $130, which is a little more than 99 power qigong's DVD; which one do you believe would be the wiser purchase?

Which do you think is more useful to a chef, a cookbook or a stove?

i believe the shih shui training james mcneil does includes wrapping around both the penis and testicles at the same time with the goal of "iron body" and glandular health.

M'kay.

do you believe celibacy with regular mco practice to be the best or sex/masturbation + mco?

I believe in lots of sex with one partner, little to no ejaculation.

thanks a lot for all the answers

I'm glad for and humbled by the opportunity to be useful.

 

Kind Regards and Blessings upon your new endeavor.

 

xeno

Edited September 8, 2008 by xenolith

[mantis]

alright, sounds good. i'm going to try to find some type of cloth i can hang with, or maybe make my own device to hang some light weights and see what it's like; light in this context is 2.5lbs.

 

another thing i'm training with is... you guessed it... testicle pull ups! i think the goal of that is to be able to suck them into your stomach but i'm sure that must make you sterile... your stomach's heat would cook your to-be children.

[Upfromtheashes]

Hey xenolith in regards to hormones and the benefits of this practice - I am curious as to how many calories you eat a day and your diet breakdown and how it relates to your experience of cco,mco, and hormonal development or increased hormone levels

Thanks

Ric

Edited September 8, 2008 by Upfromtheashes

[SheepishLord]

thaddeus, have you had any progress with this type of training?

 

The above post on HTUSA on weight hanging. It was written by me. Years ago.

 

I used to do this practice religiously. The most I would lift is 42 lbs. but I would swing it really hard while contracting against the inertia.

 

Yes, the practice produces energy. But it has long-term results you may not want. Traditionally the weight is tied around cock and balls. I have tried all 3 styles.

 

One of the results of this practice is a stretching of the tendons and ligaments in the scrotal sack. My balls hang lower then normal and it really sucks. Girls find it attractive, pretty much, but it is a real nuisance. My balls are huge, and the arteries very large. Some of those guys in Hong Kong need surgery to shorten their testicles.

 

BE WARNED! This practice will cause body modifications! Tying to penis alone has had some reported cases of severe damage as well. This practice, while promoted for potency, is actually for the opposite purpose. Most people don't know this, and it takes years before they learn the true intent of this practice.

 

Now that I am approaching 40, I see the practice for what it is--an expression of self-hate due to blocked sexual force.

 

Never get involved in this sort of thing.

 

-P

[growant]

Wow, that is a shocking condemnation of the practice! Who was your teacher- I wonder if you received proper instruction? I have done a fair bit of research on this art and that is the only negative report I've found from a practitioner- most have been quite the opposite. In my school, I have never seen anyone swinging that heavy a weight 'really hard', as you wrote. Anyway, I don't want to promote an agenda here, but rather get at truth.

 

I recall reading a post by a well know neijia master who called this practice the 'original and most powerful form of chi kung.'

 

I will say that this practice, more than most, calls for, in my opinion, good instruction, real sobriety in the practice, and increasing weight very gradually and incrementally.

[mantis]

hey plato,

 

i had seen your post and was considering PM'ing you but i saw you hadn't been active for some time. i figured that it would involve tying around both to develop the "thunder power." while i really don't want to stretch anything down there (i wouldn't mind if it was shorter) i wouldn't mind having some marble testicles.

 

why do you think it causes impotence and do you think any of your vast array of injuries could have contributed to your perspective? i'm not doubting your experience, in fact, i'm glad you posted as to offer another opinion other than "it's a good practice." but you did seem to get injured pretty often.

 

from what i have read online, the people who study under either james mcneil or tu jin-sheng, the experiences are positive in their practices of weight lifting.

 

another thing to take notice of is that apparently the shaolin version of this practice was for monks, who i doubt wanted to have amazing sexual powers when they where celibate. then again, the practices james mcneil teach aren't from shaolin and i'm not sure of tu jin-sheng's origins.

 

however, thanks to your post, i do realize this isn't something to joke with and i am for the most part going to at the very least halt this down. i think i somehow pissed off james mcneil in that he is no longer replying to my e-mails so i'll have to find a way to study with tu jin-sheng!

 

edit: this seems to be a better alternative http://www.qigongpenis.com for those of us who can't afford to fly, it's $60.

Edited September 8, 2008 by mantis

[xenolith]

Hey xenolith in regards to hormones and the benefits of this practice - I am curious as to how many calories you eat a day and your diet breakdown and how it relates to your experience of cco,mco, and hormonal development or increased hormone levels

Thanks

Ric

Ric, I cycle my training, basically several months off between a few weeks to months on...nutrition is significantly different during training cycles, but the highlights are that caloric intake is ~1500/day, largely greens, nuts and fruits supplemented by L-arginine, bromelain, pygeum, Fo-Ti and goji berries.

 

Kind Regards.

 

xeno

[xenolith]

The above post on HTUSA on weight hanging. It was written by me. Years ago.

 

I used to do this practice religiously. The most I would lift is 42 lbs. but I would swing it really hard while contracting against the inertia.

 

Yes, the practice produces energy. But it has long-term results you may not want. Traditionally the weight is tied around cock and balls. I have tried all 3 styles.

 

One of the results of this practice is a stretching of the tendons and ligaments in the scrotal sack. My balls hang lower then normal and it really sucks. Girls find it attractive, pretty much, but it is a real nuisance. My balls are huge, and the arteries very large. Some of those guys in Hong Kong need surgery to shorten their testicles.

 

BE WARNED! This practice will cause body modifications! Tying to penis alone has had some reported cases of severe damage as well. This practice, while promoted for potency, is actually for the opposite purpose. Most people don't know this, and it takes years before they learn the true intent of this practice.

 

Now that I am approaching 40, I see the practice for what it is--an expression of self-hate due to blocked sexual force.

 

Never get involved in this sort of thing.

 

-P

Wow. I'm very sorry to learn of your dissatisfaction with your experience. Based on your comments I have to think that the origin of your dissatisfaction is founded in involving your scrotum in your exercises.

 

Your further comments are inconsistent with my experience. Thank you very much for your warning though, it's very important to know of peoples' experiences in order that others are as best informed as possible.

 

I think it ranks as the greatest understatement that I can think of to say that it's been a good thing in my Life.

 

May your burden be lightened to know that not all suffer the same results.

 

Compassionately yours,

 

xeno

[SheepishLord]

hey plato,

 

i had seen your post and was considering PM'ing you but i saw you hadn't been active for some time. i figured that it would involve tying around both to develop the "thunder power." while i really don't want to stretch anything down there (i wouldn't mind if it was shorter) i wouldn't mind having some marble testicles.

 

why do you think it causes impotence and do you think any of your vast array of injuries could have contributed to your perspective? i'm not doubting your experience, in fact, i'm glad you posted as to offer another opinion other than "it's a good practice." but you did seem to get injured pretty often.

 

from what i have read online, the people who study under either james mcneil or tu jin-sheng, the experiences are positive in their practices of weight lifting.

 

another thing to take notice of is that apparently the shaolin version of this practice was for monks, who i doubt wanted to have amazing sexual powers when they where celibate. then again, the practices james mcneil teach aren't from shaolin and i'm not sure of tu jin-sheng's origins.

 

however, thanks to your post, i do realize this isn't something to joke with and i am for the most part going to at the very least halt this down. i think i somehow pissed off james mcneil in that he is no longer replying to my e-mails so i'll have to find a way to study with tu jin-sheng!

 

edit: this seems to be a better alternative http://www.qigongpenis.com for those of us who can't afford to fly, it's $60.

 

I am going to be very unpopular here, but I rather piss people off in the chance I can save them from harming themselves.

 

It is irrelevant which "master" I learned the practice from. The truth is that MANY of the students of that famous guy in Hong Kong who pulls trucks with his tool have had surgery to fix themselves. I know this because at the time I was linked into that sort of circle. Nobody will talk about this publicly. All these "masters" think about is making money, and selling courses and equipment on this practice is as irresponsible as Dr. JK who sells penis pumps!

 

Asian men in particular are attracted to this practice because they tend to have small dicks. Not all asian men do--some actually have big dicks, but the great majority have small dicks and so they get attracted to these stupid practices that promise sexual potency because they think they can compensate. I know a few famous "stars" from Honk Kong and they are ALL kept by wealthy Chinese businessmen who drink all these yang concoctions and do strange practices and then fuck these gorgeous girls half-to-death once-a-month when they are in town on a business trip. One HK star I knew would get railed for about 5 hours straight by this qi gong idiot/tycoon and she really could care less-she just wanted his money and the apartment he got her in NYC.

 

This is also why so many Japanese porn films block the genitalia. Don't you think it is weird that they have no problem letting the world see them eat feces on camera, but god forbid the world should see how small Japanese cocks are! Eating shit is apparently less humiliating...

 

But I wasn't doing this practice to enlarge my penis, I thought it would assist to open up my blocked sexuality. Guess what? It doesn't work. But you keep increasing the weight and in time it becomes a form of self-abuse and you don't even realize it! One day you may get into energetic communication with your penis and realize how you tortured your most prized possession. What did your penis do to deserve this suffering? You hated it because it didn't function the way you wanted it to or hated it because it was too small? So you strangled and choked it?

 

With age sometimes comes wisdom. You become strong enough just by living courageously to be able to look the ugly truth square in the eye.

 

Chi lifting has nothing to do with cultivation. Nothing. It is a twisted ego-based practice that is incredibly masochistic. Do you know why monks did this practice? It was to RID themselves of sexual desire-and do you know WHY it rids them of sexual desire one day? Figure it out...

 

I know a lot of you are hell bent on this practice. Sexual energy is so distorted in the modern world that this sort of insanity is considered a good idea. It is no different then something on BME.com really...

 

I wish I could stop you, but all I can do is offer my perspective.

 

At the end of the day you need to ask yourself what your goals are?

 

1.increased sexual potency

2.enlightenment

3.physical power

 

and then ask yourself: "is hanging weights from my sexual parts really the BEST way to achieve this?" "Is there any solid proof that this practice helps anyone with anything?" "Have you ever seen a practitioner fuck or satisfy a woman?" "Have you ever seen their erection quality?" "Talked to their lovers?" "Seen any of them get enlightened?"

 

Think about it.

 

-P

[gendao]

This is also why so many Japanese porn films block the genitalia. Don't you think it is weird that they have no problem letting the world see them eat feces on camera, but god forbid the world should see how small Japanese cocks are! Eating shit is apparently less humiliating...

Actually, they block out female bushes too, due to censorship laws. And the focus in Japanese porn in general also seems to be more on the "depravity" and "freakiness" of the act, than the genitals themselves.

 

As far as size goes, there should be enough big guys in the population to supply more than a few porn actors:

At his peak, Kobayashi unsheathes a mighty 22 centimeters (8.7") with a thickness even bigger than "making a ring with your thumb and middle finger."

 

A 1995 survey of 100 men by Okamoto, Japan's largest condom maker, found that 6 percent boasted the scepter part of their family jewels measured at least 20 centimeters (7.9"). An identical percentage could lay claim to a diameter of at least 5 centimeters (2") -- findings that prompted Okamoto to produce large-sized condoms.

Now, 6% of is 6.3 million men is 382K Japanese dudes sporting ~8"+ cacks. So if Japanese porn doesn't regularly feature big cack, I'm not sure it's due to lack of supply...

 

Anyhow, THANKS A LOT for sharing your sobering personal testimony! Definitely gives another perspective to the whole matter...and shows that there are some very real risks behind all the infomercials. Mileage may vary, so caveat emptor!

[xenolith]

I am going to be very unpopular here, but I rather piss people off in the chance I can save them from harming themselves.

 

It is irrelevant which "master" I learned the practice from. The truth is that MANY of the students of that famous guy in Hong Kong who pulls trucks with his tool have had surgery to fix themselves. I know this because at the time I was linked into that sort of circle. Nobody will talk about this publicly. All these "masters" think about is making money, and selling courses and equipment on this practice is as irresponsible as Dr. JK who sells penis pumps!

 

Asian men in particular are attracted to this practice because they tend to have small dicks. Not all asian men do--some actually have big dicks, but the great majority have small dicks and so they get attracted to these stupid practices that promise sexual potency because they think they can compensate. I know a few famous "stars" from Honk Kong and they are ALL kept by wealthy Chinese businessmen who drink all these yang concoctions and do strange practices and then fuck these gorgeous girls half-to-death once-a-month when they are in town on a business trip. One HK star I knew would get railed for about 5 hours straight by this qi gong idiot/tycoon and she really could care less-she just wanted his money and the apartment he got her in NYC.

 

This is also why so many Japanese porn films block the genitalia. Don't you think it is weird that they have no problem letting the world see them eat feces on camera, but god forbid the world should see how small Japanese cocks are! Eating shit is apparently less humiliating...

 

But I wasn't doing this practice to enlarge my penis, I thought it would assist to open up my blocked sexuality. Guess what? It doesn't work. But you keep increasing the weight and in time it becomes a form of self-abuse and you don't even realize it! One day you may get into energetic communication with your penis and realize how you tortured your most prized possession. What did your penis do to deserve this suffering? You hated it because it didn't function the way you wanted it to or hated it because it was too small? So you strangled and choked it?

 

With age sometimes comes wisdom. You become strong enough just by living courageously to be able to look the ugly truth square in the eye.

 

Chi lifting has nothing to do with cultivation. Nothing. It is a twisted ego-based practice that is incredibly masochistic. Do you know why monks did this practice? It was to RID themselves of sexual desire-and do you know WHY it rids them of sexual desire one day? Figure it out...

 

I know a lot of you are hell bent on this practice. Sexual energy is so distorted in the modern world that this sort of insanity is considered a good idea. It is no different then something on BME.com really...

 

I wish I could stop you, but all I can do is offer my perspective.

 

At the end of the day you need to ask yourself what your goals are?

 

1.increased sexual potency

2.enlightenment

3.physical power

 

and then ask yourself: "is hanging weights from my sexual parts really the BEST way to achieve this?" "Is there any solid proof that this practice helps anyone with anything?" "Have you ever seen a practitioner fuck or satisfy a woman?" "Have you ever seen their erection quality?" "Talked to their lovers?" "Seen any of them get enlightened?"

 

Think about it.

 

-P

Everything in your post runs counter to my experience...perhaps later I'll summon the compassion to provide a counterpoint to it on a case-by-case basis for the sake of others who may think that what you've experienced is what they should expect.

 

For now I'll just point out what you've made clear to me: those with unstable minds should not engage in this practice.

 

You appear to be making a syllogistic mistake of reasoning by thinking that your experience is the universal experience...please understand that others may have quite different experiences than you...indeed, I'm here to tell you, I have and continue to.

 

With respect, please understand that you've made your general cautionary comments, respectfully, please restrict further ones to specific technique and/or technical matters that you think your experience may bear upon.

 

Sending you Love,

 

xeno

[mantis]

for anyone interested, this video shows a pretty simple method of hanging very light weight

 

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i'm not sure if that's the entire "qigong penis" system but the hanging starts at 3:55; i'm not sure if thats silk cloth since there's no audio.

[growant]

SheepishLord,

 

Thanks for your informative response (It'd be great if you'd respond to the PM I sent you here a couple weeks ago too ). When you wrote, above, "MANY of the students of that famous guy in Hong Kong who pulls trucks with his tool have had surgery to fix themselves." are you referring to Tu Jin Sheng or to somebody else?

[mantis]

so, with using the tying method detailed in the above video, i have had my first go at hanging.

 

i took a old shirt and cut off the bottom part of it and that's my "cloth" and as for my weight, i got a old bottle of a supplement i used to take and filled it half way with water. i used the same knot that's described in that video to tie the bottle. to my surprise, this doesn't hurt or feel bad at all, it actually feels pretty good.

[gendao]

so, with using the tying method detailed in the above video, i have had my first go at hanging.

 

i took a old shirt and cut off the bottom part of it and that's my "cloth" and as for my weight, i got a old bottle of a supplement i used to take and filled it half way with water. i used the same knot that's described in that video to tie the bottle. to my surprise, this doesn't hurt or feel bad at all, it actually feels pretty good.

Yea, my guess right now is that you may not want to tie it around your balls...which may cause bleeding or burst capillaries/arteries...and that is NOT good.

 

Cuz, SheepishLord got bleeding and says he now suffers for it. This may have been due to tying around his sack.

 

Whereas, Xenolith doesn't tie arond his sack, says he never got bleeding or injuries and still swears by it.

 

So, morals of the story so far may be:

 

Don't tie it around your sack.

If you bleed, you're doing something wrong.

[mantis]

yes but look at the amount of weight plato was putting up, that's dangerous even if you have an instructor. i believe the bone marrow washing method is supposed to tie around both, which causes me absolutely no discomfort (in fact, it causes pleasure, i had to stop cause i kept getting erections).

 

try it yourself vortex, it takes 5 minutes to prepare and you'll see what i mean. take a pair of scissors and make an incision on the bottom of a shirt (the part that's stitched) and then rip off the rest with your hands. get any small bottle or container and fill it with water (it shouldn't really feel heavy in your hand), use the knot described in the video and voila.

 

edit: almost forgot to mention, make sure the knot is on bottom and in middle so that the weight is equally divided, i believe it was plato who mentioned that this was essential.

Edited September 9, 2008 by mantis

[Upfromtheashes]

Ric, I cycle my training, basically several months off between a few weeks to months on...nutrition is significantly different during training cycles, but the highlights are that caloric intake is ~1500/day, largely greens, nuts and fruits supplemented by L-arginine, bromelain, pygeum, Fo-Ti and goji berries.

 

Kind Regards.

 

xeno

 

 

Hey interesting xeno

Reason I ask is that I often have 1700 or so calories a day when I am just eating natural unrefined foods -

I am trying to figure out if it the norm for advances chi kung practioners to be able to daily eat like 1000 -1500 calories and be active sexually and mentally and physically -

The thing is at this level vasodilation is naturally great but I waste away -literally my bodyfat gets down to low single digit levels which isnt too good for the libido or my mood

Goji berries are king I must say I eat them often

Raw Celery is good too

[mantis]

does anyone else get an erection when weight lifting? every time i try to do it i have to stop 5 or 10 seconds in and wait for it to die down before i can start up again.

 

it also may be just me but i think my testicles have gotten noticeably larger too but wouldn't it be way to early to tell?