The Tao of Jin (power) in Tai Chi Chuan

[teknix]

I will just report you and let mod explain it all to you, because I am not capable of it evidently.

[skydog]

lol sounds like what someone who got really annoyed because they lost the argument would say.

[teknix]

You lost it a long time ago, like page 41 of the other topic.

Edited March 2, 2013 by teknix

[skydog]

You lost a very long time ago, like page 41 of the other topic.

 

But you lost on your first post, because things you call supernatural exist.

 

Its like saying theres no such thing as dogs because I havent seen one yet,. Nonsense

[teknix]

You say you are spiritual and then berate and threaten people who don't conform to your ideals or disagree with them.

[skydog]

You say you are spiritual and then berate and threaten people who don't conform to your ideals or disagree with them.

 

Where was a threat.

 

I spent like 10-20 pages trying to talk nicely and show something and put in effort to someone who clearly was just out to disrespect a whole bunch of people and ignore everything said.

 

Perhaps you are right, I get annoyed by people who would call me crazy for things I do all day long, or find important in my life.I have not yet managed to ignore such things, and I being spiritual does not neccessarily mean being super tolerant. It also includes some degree of self respect

Edited March 2, 2013 by sinansencer

[Immortal4life]

I don't understand this challenge.

 

You do realize fajing is not paranormal right?

 

Then on your page, you give this video as a demonstration of fajing or subtle skills

 

So are you saying if someone can reproduce the things on this video on a non compliant opponent, and replicate it several times, you have 1.5 million that you will give to them? Simple as that? What's the catch?

Edited March 2, 2013 by Immortal4life

[taijistudent]

In my opinion someone flying 20 metres back multiple times is nothing to do with them being a little off balance, Imo that is faulty logic, there is more to it than that.

There is more to it. It is about sensing the situation of balance, then compressing the Qi and releasing it appropriately. I have done it so many times but the circumstances must be correct. As I have indicated, it cannot be done with a well rooted partner. In the case of the video, the partner is not rooted, this it is possible.

[taijistudent]

It is obviously staged, who couldn't pull that stunt themselves?

I do not believe it is staged. It seemed like the result of a combination of skills and ability to uproot a partner who is not rooted. There is no reason to suggest this is extraordinary. However, I believe it is a reasonable demonstration of how Peng Jin might manifest itself. In a more even match, it is still possible to uproot but not at will. One must wait for the situation to develop. One of the objectives of Push Hands, for example, is to learn to sense the moment when uprooting is possible, such as displayed.

[taijistudent]

I don't understand this challenge.

 

You do realize fajing is not paranormal right?

 

 

So are you saying if someone can reproduce the things on this video on a non compliant opponent, and replicate it several times, you have 1.5 million that you will give to them? Simple as that? What's the catch?

Yes, mostly note that the teacher is uprooting first and then projecting. Uprooting is essential. Taiji practice helps to develop rooting.

Edited March 3, 2013 by taijistudent

[idiot_stimpy]

http://youtu.be/4r34w7zchng

[teknix]

[teknix]

[taijistudent]

While every one's practice is different, I believe Feng Zhiqiang provides an excellent demonstration of the nature of Taijiquan sticking, following, and Peng Jin skills. It is important to stick to the partner as though you and the partner were one. Every movement follows the energy. When the partner is uprooted, then the partner's force can be used to further uproot and create imbalance. Spirals, flow, Peng Jin are fundamental to this manner of practice.

 

 

Edited March 3, 2013 by taijistudent

[dwai]

While every one's practice is different, I believe Feng Zhiqiang provides an excellent demonstration of the nature of Taijiquan sticking, following, and Peng Jin skills. It is important to stick to the partner as though you and the partner were one. Every movement follows the energy. When the partner is uprooted, then the partner's force can be used to further uproot and create imbalance. Spirals, flow, Peng Jin are fundamental to this manner of practice.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wfKH6IRqmI

 

Thanks for sharing. Feng zhiqiang was bruce frantzis' chen taiji teacher right?

[taijistudent]

Thanks for sharing. Feng zhiqiang was bruce frantzis' chen taiji teacher right?

I am not familiar with this so I cannot speak to this directly. However, I am familiar with Mr. Frantzis, and from what I observed, I did not notice similarities. My experience was brief.

 

To achieve the skills of Feng Zhiqiang requires a particular perception and openness to learning and changing. As the mind and body opens, new experiences enter and the mind and body grow together because they are necessarily one (two sides of the same coin). When I practice, I visualize movements such as those demonstrated in order to feel the non-stop flow of spiraling energy. When practice push-hands I do likewise but in this case it is a partnership. Sticky does not mean to hold, but rather it means that my body should feel like an extension of my partner, as if the two are moving as one.

Edited March 3, 2013 by taijistudent

[dwai]

I am not familiar with this so I cannot speak to this directly. However, I am familiar with Mr. Frantzis, and from what I observed, I did not notice similarities. My experience was brief.

 

To achieve the skills of Feng Zhiqiang requires a particular perception and openness to learning and changing. As the mind and body opens, new experiences enter and the mind and body grow together because they are necessarily one (two sides of the same coin). When I practice, I visualize movements such as those demonstrated in order to feel the non-stop flow of spiraling energy. When practice push-hands I do likewise but in this case it is a partnership. Sticky does not mean to hold, but rather it means that my body should feel like an extension of my partner, as if the two are moving as one.

 

The taiji aphorism "when your opponent moves, you must move sooner; when your opponent stops you must already be there" - my teacher tells us about practising with master liao and how master liao would tell him that he was too early or too late in moving before my teacher actually started moving...ie only mind intent was formed. Imho, that is the listening power taiji people should strive for...to know your opponents intention without physical movement, without the other telegraphing their movements.

 

In our two person practice, we try to be very soft and slow...trying to go by energy flow...and follow it. We feel when we have been uprooted by the other (or by ourselves) and refine...sometimes follow through, sometimes stop. Sometimes we get carried away and our teacher reminds us to not be in conflict. Getting over the fact that only energy is flowing and not two individuals are pushing hands is the hardest part...

 

 

[taijistudent]

In our two person practice, we try to be very soft and slow...trying to go by energy flow...and follow it. We feel when we have been uprooted by the other (or by ourselves) and refine...sometimes follow through, sometimes stop. Sometimes we get carried away and our teacher reminds us to not be in conflict. Getting over the fact that only energy is flowing and not two individuals are pushing hands is the hardest part...

 

Yes. In my practice, I first started by "trying to follow" (there is no other way), but over time, the body memory has learned to follow as a complete unit without actively thinking (the memory does it automatically).

 

One exercise for this type of learning is to have one partner (the "teacher"), moving the body (while walking) in any direction possible. The other partner ("the student") touches one or both arms of the "teacher" and follows the movements with his/her eyes closed. It is a way of developing the listening sense.

[Immortal4life]

Feng was obviously the real deal, had powerful fajing, and a ton of Qi flowing. Not paranormal or supernatural though.

[dwai]

 

Yes. In my practice, I first started by "trying to follow" (there is no other way), but over time, the body memory has learned to follow as a complete unit without actively thinking (the memory does it automatically).

 

One exercise for this type of learning is to have one partner (the "teacher"), moving the body (while walking) in any direction possible. The other partner ("the student") touches one or both arms of the "teacher" and follows the movements with his/her eyes closed. It is a way of developing the listening sense.

 

Yes we often practice with eyes closed...sensing flow and movement.

[taijistudent]

Feng was obviously the real deal, had powerful fajing, and a ton of Qi flowing. Not paranormal or supernatural though.

I agree. He studied, was open to learning and changing, and he understood as he grew. A good example of what one may expect from studying Taiji with an open mind to learning.

[taijistudent]

Yes we often practice with eyes closed...sensing flow and movement.

I remember practicing with a person from China who was quite good. I had to really quiet my mind so I could sense the impulse before he actually made the movement. It was very good practice.

[Stigweard]

I don't understand this challenge.

 

You do realize fajing is not paranormal right?

 

Then on your page, you give this video as a demonstration of fajing or subtle skills

 

So are you saying if someone can reproduce the things on this video on a non compliant opponent, and replicate it several times, you have 1.5 million that you will give to them? Simple as that? What's the catch?

 

Heya matey ... we have split off discussion about "The Challenge" over here:

 

http://thetaobums.com/topic/27331-15million-fajin-challenge/