Jeff Posted March 8, 2013 You see the totality as a transparent hologram... yet in full 3D. Transparency or "Zangthal" is a buzz word, a hallmark of instant presence. The mind has transformed into Clear Light. Its like pouring clear water into clear water... transparency upon transparency. Â Thanks. When you say "see", do you mean that gross physical perception changes or is the same? Do you mean a "knowing", but the "world" looks the same and no "confusing" mind activity? Â Also, does "perception" of the world move from the "localized" position of the perceived body? Â Regards, Jeff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teknix Posted March 8, 2013 "Heart Drops of the Dharmakaya" Â Seems like the title hints at metta, but would you consider this the proper text for study? : Â http://korat.ibc.ac.th/files/private/Heart%20Drops%20of%20Dharmakaya%20Dzogchen%20Practice%20of%20the%20Bon%20Tradition.pdf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff Posted March 8, 2013 "Heart Drops of the Dharmakaya"  Seems like the title hints at metta, but would you consider this the proper text for study? :  http://korat.ibc.ac.th/files/private/Heart%20Drops%20of%20Dharmakaya%20Dzogchen%20Practice%20of%20the%20Bon%20Tradition.pdf  Excellent book!  Best, Jeff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teknix Posted March 8, 2013 (edited) I find an insinuated belief right off the bat: that there are god's for mountains . . . Â " Go to a quiet place without any people and stay there. First make offerings to the mountain gods or whoever is powerful and spiritual in the area so that they are not disturbed. " Â Why should I believe that? Edited March 8, 2013 by teknix Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teknix Posted March 8, 2013 I guess I jumped the gun, because later it says:  " The result is seeing that everything is created by your thought. Once you finally realise this you can check back to find its origin. All things are created by your thought and mind—and if you look back to the source of your thought and mind you find that it disappears." 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jax Posted March 8, 2013 Thanks. When you say "see", do you mean that gross physical perception changes or is the same? Do you mean a "knowing", but the "world" looks the same and no "confusing" mind activity? Â Also, does "perception" of the world move from the "localized" position of the perceived body? Â Regards, Jeff No, you begin seeing from the heart through the kati light channel and the "wisdom eye" in the forehead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teknix Posted March 8, 2013 From skimming through, the book seems to be focused on liberation from samsara, nirvana, and attachements more than the rainbow body or after the fact of liberation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teknix Posted March 8, 2013 Jax, Â Metta comes after liberation or third eye. This is only half a teaching imo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff Posted March 8, 2013 No, you begin seeing from the heart through the kati light channel and the "wisdom eye" in the forehead. Hi Jax, Â Are not those all concepts of the mind? Is not even the "body" a concept of the mind? Â Regards, Jeff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralis Posted March 8, 2013 Thanks. When you say "see", do you mean that gross physical perception changes or is the same? Do you mean a "knowing", but the "world" looks the same and no "confusing" mind activity?  Also, does "perception" of the world move from the "localized" position of the perceived body?  Regards, Jeff   If I could make a suggestion, is that if one is able and knowledgeable go out and sky gaze. At least that helped me understand seeing a bit more. At least for me it cracked some of my limitations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralis Posted March 8, 2013 No, you begin seeing from the heart through the kati light channel and the "wisdom eye" in the forehead. Â Does the 'wisdom eye' follow the heart seeing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teknix Posted March 8, 2013 (edited) Ralis, Â Don't you want to differentiate empirical knowing from self-evident truth (knowing)? Edited March 8, 2013 by teknix Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff Posted March 8, 2013 Â Â If I could make a suggestion, is that if one is able and knowledgeable go out and sky gaze. At least that helped me understand seeing a bit more. At least for me it cracked some of my limitations. Hi Ralis, Â Thank you for your suggestion. But, I am trying to understand Jax's described state and how it compares to my discussions with masters of various traditions. Â Regards, Jeff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralis Posted March 8, 2013 Hi Ralis,  Thank you for your suggestion. But, I am trying to understand Jax's described state and how it compares to my discussions with masters of various traditions.  Regards, Jeff   Honestly it is by experience, ultimately. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff Posted March 8, 2013 Â Â Honestly it is by experience, ultimately. I agree completely. :-) Â If you are interested in my perspective on the topic, it can be found in the two following threads... Â http://thetaobums.com/topic/25866-stages-of-progressionenlightenment/ http://thetaobums.com/topic/26249-four-main-types-of-energy/ Â Best wishes, Jeff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RongzomFan Posted March 8, 2013 (edited) Â Greg Goode p.s. I'm not endorsing Who are you or Greg Goode to endorse someone in the first place? Â Greg Goode is just some guy who follows Tsongkhapa's Madhyamaka and runs some websites. Â You follow a guy named Thusness whom you believe to have bhumi powers since he supposedly realized emptiness and is on the bhumis. Edited March 9, 2013 by alwayson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RongzomFan Posted March 8, 2013 I don't have a problem, and guess who gets to decide that? *Hint* It is not you. Â What you think and what is, seem to be separate from that perspective, imo. Â I presonally think we can bridge the gaps between teachings, only once we can relinquish the hold of the perpetuated traditions, that have been perpetuated in a lot of ignorance. Â Â Aren't you admittedly a guy like Jax who gets banned repeatedly, coming back with different names etc.? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jax Posted March 8, 2013 Is there anything which does not contain the seed of experience, Xabir? Â To many, its the implications which give rise to grasping, and not the actual experiences per se. Its easy to get 'lost' or distracted in trying to match the various implications against experience. This process of sifting, which can be very attractive as it seems to add dimension and depth to one's knowledge (not wisdom) is exactly what Dzogchen is not about, relatively speaking. In the absolute sense, after rigpa has become stable, then the latent distractive properties or seeds no longer have any ground to take root. This signals the end of new karma. Old karma will ripen quicker, dissolving simultaneously as it ripens, due to the final removal of obscurations. Â Those who do not have a good foundation in the prelims will tend to become unhinged at around this time, once again, creating a new cycle of karma, albeit a slightly less problematic one. But for those who have established a strong foundation of prelim practices and have realized the spontaneous liberation of arising thoughts, this potentially distractive, karmic-inducing phase will not occur. Â This is my understanding. All of this talk of preparations and prelims. is not in line with the Dzogchen view. These are all empty words and mental constructions. Simply rest in the vivid "unestablished". This is nirvana... Why get caught up in all these stories: paths, gurus, levels, seeds, obscurations, karma, attainments etc.? These are just empty day dreams... Where can any ground be found in this moment? There is no ground and hence no place for obscurations to accrue... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jax Posted March 8, 2013 Does the 'wisdom eye' follow the heart seeing? The Wisdom Eye knows Clarity, Emptiness and Transparency. What the Heart sees is beyond description... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jax Posted March 8, 2013 Hi Jax, Â Are not those all concepts of the mind? Is not even the "body" a concept of the mind? Â Regards, Jeff No, not mental constructions... just luminous appearances... unconstructed, unestablished. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teknix Posted March 8, 2013 Aren't you admittedly a guy like Jax who gets banned repeatedly, coming back with different names etc.? Â Nope. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RongzomFan Posted March 8, 2013 (edited) Nope. Â Â http://thetaobums.com/topic/27281-has-any-developed-supernatural-powers/page-50#entry410753 Edited March 8, 2013 by alwayson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff Posted March 9, 2013 No, not mental constructions... just luminous appearances... unconstructed, unestablished. How about if I use the term "universal mind"? The luminous appearances "exist" in universal mind. Â Also, how do you know that they were "unconstructed"? Couldn't it have happened "beyond" your field of awareness? Â Thanks, Jeff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teknix Posted March 9, 2013 (edited) http://thetaobums.com/topic/27281-has-any-developed-supernatural-powers/page-50#entry410753 Â That makes me like Jax? Â Edited March 9, 2013 by teknix Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RongzomFan Posted March 9, 2013 (edited) That makes me like Jax? Â Â Not as extreme of course. Edited March 9, 2013 by alwayson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
