Astral projection troubles/blues

[Mal]

Yeah any excuse to avoid work, trying out psychic skills on forums lololol. Back to html now.

I can't resist, can I put my hand up for reading also.

 

Thanks in advance :-)

[BaguaKicksAss]

They are more random then that, it just sort of comes out... sometimes lol

 

Hey someone should start a thread where people can ask for readings/insights, that might be kinda neat :>.

[Dzogchen]

go buy the strongest Salvia Divinorum extract possible and then take a hit of it.

 

You will astral project.

 

 

Yep I think Pythagorean Lotus is right, probably the only instant astral projection is Salvia, but you need a sitter and if you take too much you wont astral project you will just have a blackout and memory lapse in most cases.

 

 

 

From someone with a lot of knowledge with this, be careful what you put into your body. With Salvia and DMT you can experience some pretty crazy problems with your Merkaba field, some that may have a huge impact on other sets of meditations you wish to do or are currently practicing. You will not likely posses the same "progression" and understanding you did before taking these substances, and it can take a while before you will be back where you started.

 

Now, this may sound contradictory, but I believe that many humans have at least been aided in their awakening by taking different substances like these. If you ever do take these "mind altering" substances and have an "enlightening" experience, then once you are able to start meditating again sit on the way you truly felt during those experiences.

 

If you really take a lot of time and meditate on the way you felt, you may be able to achieve the same feeling you had while on substances (they are really just drug induced states of mind that are achievable without taking the drug), and you may be able to manipulate the feeling as well. There is actually info out there on other people besides me who are able to provoke DMT(psilocybin, dxm, ketamine, mescaline, ect.) like mind states through pure meditation/thought.

 

Astral projection alone may take 90-180+ days to properly accomplish. If you are interested in what I am describing above, giving you a heads up, it's not what I would describe as easy. It may sound cool to naturally be able to feel under the influence of any substance you want at any time, but it will probably take 5-10 years of dedicated practice to really become proficient at this and I would agree with most everyone else here when saying that no matter how you go about it, make sure you prepare yourself for it, it can all be very dangerous.

 

Now I will tell you that some frown upon this type of practice, it can distract you from other "realizations" and "reaching other goals" (for lack of more detailed illustration). I remember when I had my first intense guided meditation where I just left and went off on my own. It was very akin and felt like a bit of a combination of lucid dreaming, astral projection, psychoactive drug use and deep meditation, almost like playing the ultimate 4d Playstation with my mind (I would call it virtual reality but some parts of it felt realer that my awake life). While explaining my experience to my guide, I was informed that this is not "what it's all about" and learned that a lot of Buddhists actually encourage you not to seek this type of state.

[Lindelani Mnisi]

Wow, thanks BKA, I'm glad I discovered this world at a young and ripe age, that way when I'm an adult I'll be a master at chi, telekinesis and etc. I guess I like astral projection cause of the idea of seeing my akashic records, travelling to other dimensions and generally going on a wild adventure like all those movies I watched as a kid. I'll get to work on knowing AP inside out, like the back of my hand...and as much as I would like to use drugs for a short cut, I lack the resources and doubt that legitamite businesses would sell them to a 16 year old. Thanks guys

[Jetsun]

Using those sorts of drugs at 16 carries a great risk, so don't bother. There isnt any evidence they help either, there were a whole load of guys pushing the theory that those sorts of drugs help spiritually in the 1960's and 70's but none of them seem particularly enlightened or even the slightest bit advanced to me now 40 years later. At 16 you are better off doing something a bit yang like a martial art while your body is still forming, doing extensive energy work or things like astral stuff carries risk while your body and mind are still growing as your body is still trying to gain equilibrium after a big input of hormones and jing so it doesn't need any extra shocks or messing with.

[Xienkula1]

Yes definitely stay the hell away from drugs as a short cut, it's not worth the risks, and they can drastically alter your perception, without a very well trained-guide this is even more dangerous. At your age, I actually found it VERY easy to astral project without the use of anything other than will power. Then I got more interested in being in my body and it was serious work to get back in here into this body, I later realized my ease with leaving my form was actually an escape defense mechanism, to avoid feeling the emotional trauma in my body, but it was being here in my body that was actually much more challenging and where the real transformation was at. I would suggest you read the Magus of Strovolos, because it's written in an a light easy to follow way and actually covers some deep topics about astral travel. Daskalos AKA this dude:

, knew quite a bit about it.

[RiverSnake]

At your age, I actually found it VERY easy to astral project without the use of anything other than will power. Then I got more interested in being in my body and it was serious work to get back in here into this body, I later realized my ease with leaving my form was actually an escape defense mechanism, to avoid feeling the emotional trauma in my body, but it was being here in my body that was actually much more challenging and where the real transformation was at.

Interesting insights Xienkula, its always useful to know where the pitfalls are lurking. Thanks for sharing.

 

My 2 cents, Peace

Edited April 14, 2013 by OldGreen

[ChiForce]

Wow, thanks BKA, I'm glad I discovered this world at a young and ripe age, that way when I'm an adult I'll be a master at chi, telekinesis and etc. I guess I like astral projection cause of the idea of seeing my akashic records, travelling to other dimensions and generally going on a wild adventure like all those movies I watched as a kid. I'll get to work on knowing AP inside out, like the back of my hand...and as much as I would like to use drugs for a short cut, I lack the resources and doubt that legitamite businesses would sell them to a 16 year old. Thanks guys

Get a hold of yourself!!!! Super powers induced by spiritual awakening takes several life times!!! People seek spiritual awakening because they have a noble reason (ie, relieving one's suffering, to pierce through the nature of one's worldly illusions, and to help others).

[BaguaKicksAss]

Lifetimes? Most of the stuff he's listed only takes about 10 years of daily practice to get half decent at. Perhaps sooner with a really good teacher. Of course for the greater good and to help others is the primary goal, but how many start out this way? How many younger than 20 start out that way?

 

[ChiForce]

Lifetimes? Most of the stuff he's listed only takes about 10 years of daily practice to get half decent at. Perhaps sooner with a really good teacher. Of course for the greater good and to help others is the primary goal, but how many start out this way? How many younger than 20 start out that way?

 

Seriously, whatever insights and wisdom and super powers you get from any spiritual awakening should not be dependent on the age spirit of the time. It does not depend on what is the spiritual/cultural "trends" of the age period!!!!! This would be called dependent origination...? Not this "all paths lead to enlightenment" argument. If so, given that most people are following their own thing, we should expect to see countless of enlightened masters. Unfortunately, the answer is no. In fact, having super powers are the side effects of reaching certain state of samadhi. Buddha specifically warns us not to dwell on them.

[ChiForce]

Lifetimes? Most of the stuff he's listed only takes about 10 years of daily practice to get half decent at. Perhaps sooner with a really good teacher. Of course for the greater good and to help others is the primary goal, but how many start out this way? How many younger than 20 start out that way?

Here is a little Zen riddle.... If everyone believes and practices that all paths, their own paths, can lead to enlightenment, does it mean that they are all actually following the same path to enlightenment???? How odd is that they assume their path is different but in essence, they are all following the same path.

[DragonsNectar69k]

Rant:

 

Knowledge is power, as well as a double edge sword. Power/abilities mean nothing without knowing one's self. You can only blind yourself further it seems. None the less, the Truth is always there and one can choose to realize it the 'easy' way or the 'hard' way; which is what seems to take lifetimes in my opinion. Greater ability allows for greater insight and thus greater Truth is realized. Whether one chooses to use their abilities for good or bad, usually depends on the influence of one's own surroundings and conditioning as well as past life 'karma'. One can discuss the proverbial circumstances of past lives, but as long as your reaping what you sow and are willing to acknowledge such a truth in light of others and their choices, whether that be family, friends, acquaintances, everything will work out in the long run as long as one is willing to be responsible.

 

But in all honesty I must agree with ChiForce on this. If you ever do develop 'powers' make sure you use em' for the benefit of others. You will only cultivate more misery for yourself and others by not doing so and no one can save you from yourself in the long run. Hell is a interesting place mind you, you can travel there astrally( Mind you, I have never done this, but have talked to people who claim to have done so). Many find themselves in hell not because they have chosen to attend, but because they keep running from the Truth; which ultimately depends on the individual and their vices.

 

End rant. My 2 Cents.

Edited April 15, 2013 by DragonsNectar69k

[DragonsNectar69k]

On a different note..

 

What exactly is the difference concerning OBE's, Lucid Dreaming, and Astral Projection?

 

From my own experiences. Going out of body has always been unwillingly in a dream state. Such experiences were usually to show me something or to tell me something about my life here on earth. The back ground in the dream is different compared to a lucid dream. I am literally out of my body floating around in this space and time, compared to a lucid dream where reality seems to be highly makeshift, An example would be different buildings tend to make shift into one another as well as random people and things appearing in the dream.

 

I have also noticed that during lucid dreams I seem to be in a mid-way state between a dream and this realities space and time. I have literally seen higher beings come into my field of focus while dreaming, as if they are stepping through the veil, so to speak. I have also had experiences where I have been in a dream like state and have noticed certain people thinking of me by seeing their picture in the dream and then recieve a phone call or text message a few minutes later, very interesting.

 

Another difference as well is during my dreams, which are mostly ALL lucid these days thanks to constantly meditating. I have noticed that I am able to do things that are physically inconceivable in this space and time. Such as flying around, levitating, shape shifting, manifesting objects out of thin air, having sex with random people (which isn't inconceivable in this space and time, but it looks REALLY weird in the dream state), and playing with energy, which all feels very real.

 

So I am guessing astral projection is the ability to roam in a 'spiritual body' of some sort in real time? Sort of like remote viewing and bio-location? Which I am assuming takes some time to cultivate, which some how relates to Shen? I am also assuming that such a gift isn't developed freely but usually bestowed upon the individual, unless they take the easy way out and harnesses an entity that allows one to do so freely. Sorcery. Witch craft etc. But what one thinks, they become So I wouldn't advocate such practices! But what is the difference?

Edited April 15, 2013 by DragonsNectar69k

[Lindelani Mnisi]

Its funny you should mention past lives, because lately something occured to me...talent is merely the result of you working hard at a skill in the past life, i.e if you are a great dancer in this life, the next life you will have a 'talent' for it...anyway, wait you guys are telling me I can develop powers from astral projecting?? And as for chi, don't worry, I won't try and take over the world, I'll just start teaching the world chi and opening their eyes to it, especially element bending. I wanna teach them that so if there's an earthquake or flood, just call all the benders to stop it

[Lindelani Mnisi]

Its funny you should mention past lives, because lately something occured to me...talent is merely the result of you working hard at a skill in the past life, i.e if you are a great dancer in this life, the next life you will have a 'talent' for it...anyway, wait you guys are telling me I can develop powers from astral projecting?? And as for chi, don't worry, I won't try and take over the world, I'll just start teaching the world chi and opening their eyes to it, especially element bending. I wanna teach them that so if there's an earthquake or flood, just call all the benders to stop it ...and oh yeah I remember this other time I was fasting, I was meditating, then images/visions came, it was about a great chinese warrior who played an active role in a war, he learnt and taught chi (he was captured by the enemy, but learnt their secrets which one them was chi, and he escaped)...do you think that could be my past life? And I wish I could get a past life reading...

[BaguaKicksAss]

ChiForce wrote:

having super powers are the side effects of reaching certain state of samadhi. Buddha specifically warns us not to dwell on them.

 

Hmmm, this has gotten me to wondering... yes I know many beleive this way, and it makes sense... however I have seen many folks who could do some really odd stuff who were most definitely not enlightened (as far as I could tell). It seems that practicing certain things a LOT can lead to abilities, but only working on oneself can lead towards anything resembling enlightenment. I have not necessarily seen these coincide all the time. Then there are the folks who are just born with some funky abilities as well.

[Guest Jason Croft]

Chewing a leaf is not discipline

Reading until understanding the Jade Emperor's Mind Seal classic is focus.

Practicing the Shavasana is the yoga that can one day lead to enlightenment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shavasana

A bit more on the Shavasana: (some practioners spell it Savansana)

Begin each session by using the runners stretch to release sexual tension.

A really good, (and short book at 85 pages with 10 pages being pictures) that will give a basic overall description of Kundalini yoga is The Five Tibetans by Christopher S. Kilham

 

A warning is that when I first began to project I was attacked by a green snake -which I later realized was one of my fears.

 

A bit of trivia is that oddly enough, In Hong Kong these green snakes are known to be extremely poisonous and I had been warned by my Chinese friends to watch for them when walking in the jungle - (hey - bananas grow on trees here). . . But another green snake came into my home only seconds before a section of the mountain, behind my home began to fall on my home. If the snake had not come, I would have been smashed.

Edited April 15, 2013 by Jason Croft

[BaguaKicksAss]

Uhm, more meditation, less airbenders and dragon ball Z .

Its funny you should mention past lives, because lately something occured to me...talent is merely the result of you working hard at a skill in the past life, i.e if you are a great dancer in this life, the next life you will have a 'talent' for it...anyway, wait you guys are telling me I can develop powers from astral projecting?? And as for chi, don't worry, I won't try and take over the world, I'll just start teaching the world chi and opening their eyes to it, especially element bending. I wanna teach them that so if there's an earthquake or flood, just call all the benders to stop it

[DragonsNectar69k]

Hrmmm.

 

I would also like to know from any one elses personal experiences if this constitutes as an astral attack and also the importance of knowing how to ground one's self and learning it before cultivating energy.

 

I had a OBE dream one morning where I had found myself randomly going to some persons house. I was greeted at the door of this woman's house by her daughter who had told me that she wanted to become a porn star apparently. I then told her that I would always love her. I had felt that a higher being was speaking through me at that time. I then proceeded to enter this random ladies home. She greeted me with a hug. She appeared very promiscuous in her 'goddess' like dress. D sized breast. etc. She was a lite skinned black woman. When she hugged me I had felt an energy link in my lower dan tien, right near my penis. She then proceeded to ask me to tell her more about myself. Right away I felt vulnerable and under attack. My awareness kicked in and I began to dance like a indian warrior at a pow wow. No idea why! I was stomping all over this woman's house. I had then told this woman that I knew her in a past life apparently. Mind you, I've never seen this lady in this life before. Which is when ANOTHER lady appeared. She appeared to be highly possessed in the dream. Her eye sockets were gray and her mouth was drouped open. Possibly some form of voodoo or witch craft with an ancient soul or entity. I do not know to be honest. (I had seen this lady in my dream scape a few times after this incident. She always seemed wicked) She had told the other lady that I was lying and this lady had proceeded to come my way, the possessed one, which is when I had found myself back into the corner of this house.

 

I noticed that a cat was going to try and strangle me with a piece of wire. My hand reached out for the wire and the attack had stopped. I had then received a vision of this older white lady meditating on a cloud up above with a group of people. In this vision she was smiling and did not appear to be wicked at all. I had then noticed that some one had joined this meditation group, I am not to sure if it was me or not, because I woke up to the feeling of painful energy in my lower back and spine. I literally woke up and ran out of the house and sat on some dirt to try and ground all of this energy. Luckily it all simmered down by the end of the day. I was bewildered by the whole dream and why it even occurred. Since I had never met these woman at all in this life before or what that wicked old white lady even wanted.

 

What I really want to know is, why this attack was even possible , I am under the assumption it was because I failed to ground myself once I started meditating and was literally stuck in the astral for quite some time... I've only been attacked astrally about three times. Not knowing why. Hence the danger of astral projection I guess.

Edited April 15, 2013 by DragonsNectar69k

[BaguaKicksAss]

On a different note..

 

What exactly is the difference concerning OBE's, Lucid Dreaming, and Astral Projection?

 

From my own experiences. Going out of body has always been unwillingly in a dream state. Such experiences were usually to show me something or to tell me something about my life here on earth. The back ground in the dream is different compared to a lucid dream. I am literally out of my body floating around in this space and time, compared to a lucid dream where reality seems to be highly makeshift, An example would be different buildings tend to make shift into one another as well as random people and things appearing in the dream.

 

I have also noticed that during lucid dreams I seem to be in a mid-way state between a dream and this realities space and time. I have literally seen higher beings come into my field of focus while dreaming, as if they are stepping through the veil, so to speak. I have also had experiences where I have been in a dream like state and have noticed certain people thinking of me by seeing their picture in the dream and then recieve a phone call or text message a few minutes later, very interesting.

 

Another difference as well is during my dreams, which are mostly ALL lucid these days thanks to constantly meditating. I have noticed that I am able to do things that are physically inconceivable in this space and time. Such as flying around, levitating, shape shifting, manifesting objects out of thin air, having sex with random people (which isn't inconceivable in this space and time, but it looks REALLY weird in the dream state), and playing with energy, which all feels very real.

 

So I am guessing astral projection is the ability to roam in a 'spiritual body' of some sort in real time? Sort of like remote viewing and bio-location? Which I am assuming takes some time to cultivate, which some how relates to Shen? I am also assuming that such a gift isn't developed freely but usually bestowed upon the individual, unless they take the easy way out and harnesses an entity that allows one to do so freely. Sorcery. Witch craft etc. But what one thinks, they become So I wouldn't advocate such practices! But what is the difference?

OBE is any out of body experience as far as I know. Lucid dreaming is when you become aware in your dreams and can influence them and/or act how you like, instead of just being a passive observer. Astral projection is the projection and out of body travel onto either the astral or other planes. It can be in the here and now (time and place) or it can be some odd out of context and not very useful astral journey.

 

Also people do OBE when they sleep. I had to set things up so I didn't do this, as I was waking up tired far too often. I'd recommend setting some ground rules if it happens quite often. I mean telling that part of yourself what it can and cannot do. Also good ol' protections back at home (in case you don't have any).

 

Edit: be careful with that whole sex with random spirits in dreams thing. It may be more real than you realize.

Edited April 15, 2013 by BaguaKicksAss

[BaguaKicksAss]

Hrmmm.

 

I would also like to know from any one elses personal experiences if this constitutes as an astral attack and also the importance of knowing how to ground one's self and learning it before cultivating energy.

 

I had a OBE dream one morning where I had found myself randomly going to some persons house. I was greeted at the door of this woman's house by her daughter who had told me that she wanted to become a porn star apparently. I then told her that I would always love her. I had felt that a higher being was speaking through me at that time. I then proceeded to enter this random ladies home. She greeted me with a hug. She appeared very promiscuous in her 'goddess' like dress. D sized breast. etc. She was a lite skinned black woman. When she hugged me I had felt an energy link in my lower dan tien, right near my penis. She then proceeded to ask me to tell her more about myself. Right away I felt vulnerable and under attack. My awareness kicked in and I began to dance like a indian warrior at a pow wow. No idea why! I was stomping all over this woman's house. I had then told this woman that I knew her in a past life apparently. Mind you, I've never seen this lady in this life before. Which is when ANOTHER lady appeared. She appeared to be highly possessed in the dream. Her eye sockets were gray and her mouth was drouped open. Possibly some form of voodoo or witch craft with an ancient soul or entity. I do not know to be honest. (I had seen this lady in my dream scape a few times after this incident. She always seemed wicked) She had told the other lady that I was lying and this lady had proceeded to come my way, the possessed one, which is when I had found myself back into the corner of this house.

 

I noticed that a cat was going to try and strangle me with a piece of wire. My hand reached out for the wire and the attack had stopped. I had then received a vision of this older white lady meditating on a cloud up above with a group of people. In this vision she was smiling and did not appear to be wicked at all. I had then noticed that some one had joined this meditation group, I am not to sure if it was me or not, because I woke up to the feeling of painful energy in my lower back and spine. I literally woke up and ran out of the house and sat on some dirt to try and ground all of this energy. Luckily it all simmered down by the end of the day. I was bewildered by the whole dream and why it even occurred. Since I had never met these woman at all in this life before or what that wicked old white lady even wanted.

 

What I really want to know is, why this attack was even possible , I am under the assumption it was because I failed to ground myself once I started meditating and was literally stuck in the astral for quite some time... I've only been attacked astrally about three times. Not knowing why. Hence the danger of astral projection I guess.

 

This could be a few things... your psyche/subconscious working stuff out, you traveling about, or you being attacked and those are the pictures your spirit gave to you to explain things. I'm guessing random out of body roaming.

 

Basically, not everyone on the astral (or wherever you are traveling to) is friendly.

 

Have you ever taken the greyhound bus? Ever notice how whatever town you end up in, the bus station is always in the worst part of town? I find that random astral travels are sort of like that LOL.

 

Why is it happening? Because you don't have solid enough protections back at home, or wearing some sort of amulet, or have a protective spirit to watch your back. Also, you haven't laid out ground rules with that part of your self yet.

[Dzogchen]

On a different note..

 

What exactly is the difference concerning OBE's, Lucid Dreaming, and Astral Projection?

 

From my experience they are all very similar, but still each with their own special unique magick. Due to sharing many of the same undertones, it is safe to say that each of these states results more than likely from pronounced pineal activity. After my last post it is odd using this analogy, but to me they are like taking LSD, 4-ho-DMT(psilocybin), and mescaline. All three feel very much alike, but are still exquisitely different.

 

ChiForce wrote:

 

Hmmm, this has gotten me to wondering... yes I know many beleive this way, and it makes sense... however I have seen many folks who could do some really odd stuff who were most definitely not enlightened (as far as I could tell). It seems that practicing certain things a LOT can lead to abilities, but only working on oneself can lead towards anything resembling enlightenment. I have not necessarily seen these coincide all the time. Then there are the folks who are just born with some funky abilities as well.

 

I would have to agree here; I have seen this first hand. One of the most amazing people I know was a girl met in elementary school. She could do things at 12 years old that I have never seen since (although she really did not like it when I asked her to do them, and she would very seldom show me these powers). Things that are what the scientific community would call impossible. Simply amazing. She was 100% Native American, her family lineage were composed of chiefs/spiritual leaders and her father is a very well known Native American spiritual leader, so there might have been something aiding her but I have yet to figure out what. I am sure she was being "assisted" by somethings I could not see at the time. Personal acquaintances often tell me how they think I am amazing, on another level, ect. but this girl is just profound, just astounding.

 

...and oh yeah I remember this other time I was fasting, I was meditating, then images/visions came, it was about a great chinese warrior who played an active role in a war, he learnt and taught chi (he was captured by the enemy, but learnt their secrets which one them was chi, and he escaped)...do you think that could be my past life? And I wish I could get a past life reading...

 

He is spirit guide. He is also not only your guide, but he watches out for many. Very very wise, old soul. He was also manifested as David from the bible (King David, the one who fought Goliath).

 

But in all honesty I must agree with ChiForce on this. If you ever do develop 'powers' make sure you use em' for the benefit of others. You will only cultivate more misery for yourself and others by not doing so and no one can save you from yourself in the long run.

 

I am mostly an extreme empath, I have never bent anything or made anything move (well I have fried electronics/lighbulbs that have blown up but that's it). When I first started "using" my powers I would get very tired and have headaches. If anyone is starting to develop powers and going to use them to benefit others I would caution you to take preventative measures to ensure nothing happens to you mentally or physically. There is plenty of info in these forums about how to do that (trust me, I have been a lurker for years )

 

Another side note: ​ Since it has come up a few times, know that a lot of those who are very familiar with astral projection actually discourage it for many reasons. You can go really far out, and some say your body can attract negative entities. I personally seem to usually ward off negative entities, they do not like me much, but I remember hearing recommendations of building a strong "tether" and starting off slow/close. I don't have any resources, just google "Astral Projection Tethering" or something similar, I have heard that is a very safe way to practice AP for beginners.

[ChiForce]

ChiForce wrote:

 

Hmmm, this has gotten me to wondering... yes I know many beleive this way, and it makes sense... however I have seen many folks who could do some really odd stuff who were most definitely not enlightened (as far as I could tell). It seems that practicing certain things a LOT can lead to abilities, but only working on oneself can lead towards anything resembling enlightenment. I have not necessarily seen these coincide all the time. Then there are the folks who are just born with some funky abilities as well.

Well, again, I am speaking from what I understand from reading the Buddhist text. These special abilities of theirs are the result of the merits they gained from their past lives. Practice in this case is only allowing them to "remember" what they could do.

[Guest Jason Croft]

Has anyone thought of confirmation experiences ?

I use the interior of friends homes that I've never been inside of as well as returning to my hometown as a visible projection - which is more common than one may think - traditionally it is more commonly called a Doppelganger .

 

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