Nocturnal Emission Prevention Techniques

[Universal]

Hello Everyone,

 

I'm 33 years old and had maybe two or three nocturnal emissions over the course of my live. Then, around late January of this year I started to have them every two or three weeks.

 

Does anyone know what could be causing this? I want it to stop more than anything. I normally like to retain for spiritual/mental/physical reasons and this has been very frustrating.

 

Has anyone had a succession of nocturnal emissions happen in their 30's like this?

 

Does anyone know any techniques for preventing this?

 

I know the topic has been touched on here before and there was even a dedicated thread at one point. I thought I'd renew the focus since it has been such a problem for me recently and to see if there are any new perspectives/solutions.

 

Thanks in advance for your help.

[ChiDragon]

May I ask you this...??? Maybe it'll give me a rough idea about your health condition.
Are you easily aroused....??? Do you consider that your body has a great urge for sexual activity...??? Do you think about the opposite sex in your sleep when that happens....???

Edited May 3, 2013 by ChiDragon

[Universal]

Hi ChiDragon,

 

I would say I have a normal level of arousal mentally. I think retaining heightens it a bit, but I've been doing that off and on for years without this problem. As far as physically, I'm able to control my digit without a problem.

 

I would say my sexual urges have decreased since this started.

 

I always dream about the opposite sex in my sleep when this happens.

 

 

Edited to say "Hi ChiDragon"*

Edited May 3, 2013 by Universal

[voidisyinyang]

dreams of desire are from your subconscious thoughts and so only meditation will sublimate the energy by making you aware of the subconscious blockages.

 

So the brain works by association --

 

Sublimation through reverse breathing and standing active exercises -- but even exercise like push ups, etc.

 

But you want to then purify what is sublimated.

 

Retention is not enough.

 

It takes mind concentration to purify -- to ionize what is sublimated -- so it goes to the heart to create the chi energy more.

 

So you need to be able to control the dreams.

 

the more you build up the jing energy then the more difficult it is to not lose it at sleep.

 

So then it takes more meditation - or else people around you also will be sucking off your energy - and this is picked up by you subconsciously.

 

So then going vegetarian as you increase your energy or if the lower tan tien gets real hot then try fasting and meditating even more.

 

The spiritual and the mundane do not mix. Most can not break into the spiritual without being pulled back into the mundane by the people around them.

 

So the jing energy should be creating more and more electromagnetic chi energy.

 

Retention is the wrong goal - it will only just stay there without transformation.

 

The goal is the chi energy and the spirit energy - and so you visualize light to burn the jing energy into chi energy.

 

Standing active exercise should be three times as much as sitting passive exercise - this will burn the energy more.

 

If you can sit in full lotus make sure to do full lotus.

 

You need to be able to wake yourself up from your dreams before losing the alchemical pill.

 

Then go into full lotus right away to sublimate the fluid up to the brain. Then concentrate the mind to purify the fluid back to the heart as the chi energy.

 

But it takes mind celibacy to create the chi energy - and so this is why the mundane and spiritual do not mix.

 

So cut off the subconscious sources of mundane reality -- like mainly images -- like t.v. or movies, etc. But if necessary also the internet.

 

I sit in full lotus as much as possible at the computer - most of the time unless I just ate or bladder is full, etc.

 

But body posture is not as good as mind concentration -- so the mind celibacy is key - combined with body posture - the two together with the deep reverse breathing.

 

You can train to feel that the jing energy has been converted to chi for safe storage as sleep.

[Alchemistgeorge]

I suggest you try 'the deer exercise.' Its in all of Stephen Chang's books and there are many sites on the net that describe the techniques. Yes, there are a lot of variations. I don't remember which book contains the variant I practice.

 

General principles

• This is about feeling what is happening in your body, not about imagining or visualizing something.
• When the exercises call for strength, do so gently.
• As with any exercise, don’t overdo it. Of all of the parts of your body, do you really want to injure your crotch?

The first thing is to strengthen your PC muscle. When you are peeing, gently stop, and then resume, and stop and resume. There is a very small muscle that you can build up by exercising. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pc_muscle As with many small muscles, don’t overdo the exercise, maybe once a day at first.

Deer Exercise, step 1 (Stephen Chang)

• Rub the palms of your hands together vigorously. This creates heat in your hands by bringing the energy of your body into your hands and palms.
  
• With your right hand, cup your testicles so that the palm of your hand completely covers them. (The exercise is best done without clothing.) Do not squeeze, but apply a slight pressure, and be aware of the heat from your hand.
• Place the palm of your left hand on the area of the pubis, one inch below the navel.
• With a slight pressure so that a gentle warmth begins to build in the area of the pubis, move your left hand in clockwise or counterclockwise circles eighty-one times.
• Rub your hands together vigorously again.
• Reverse the position of your hands so that your left hand cups the testicles and your right hand is on the pubis. Repeat the circular rubbing in the opposite direction another eighty-one times. Concentrate on what you are doing, and feel the warmth grow.

 

Deer Exercise, step 2 (dunno which book I got it from)

 

To do this, sit in a chair or on the edge of a chair.

• Inhale slowly, drawing air into your belly – push your belly out gently as you inhale – instead of expanding your chest.
• Inhale slowly through your nose down to your belly to the count of 15, and as you do, gently contract your perineum and pull your anus in and up. [the perineum is the area between the base of your penis and your anus]
• Then hold your breath and continue to contract/pull in&up for 10, then relax your muscles and exhale quickly but calmly through your mouth. The exact counts don’t matter – inhale slowly, hold for a while, exhale.
• While you are inhaling and holding, you can use your breath to gently push down on your prostate while you are gently pulling up on the perineum and anus.

 

Do this about 10 times. At the end, notice if you feel any heat or pressure in your head, if you do, imagine that it is all draining down the front of your body to your navel.

 

This exercise is strengthening your muscles and massaging your prostate gland at the same time. You should notice a change in your muscle strength in a couple of weeks.

 

When you are having intercourse, and you feel like soon you will need to ejaculate – before you need to ejaculate – pause for a moment, inhale, push down and contract your muscles (perineum, anus, pc muscle) for a couple of seconds and relax. Just like the deer exercise Maybe do this a second time. This should reduce the urge to ejaculate. While you are pausing, tell your partner how much you enjoy them, etc.

 

In taoism, one of the causes of nocturnal emissions and premature ejaculation is that your ‘lower gates’ are open, so that the sexual energy can’t be contained. Strengthening these muscles strengthens and closes the ‘lower gates’.

 

[ChiDragon]

Hi Universal....
According to what you are telling me, you are completely normal.

"I always dream about the opposite sex in my sleep when this happens."
As a matter of fact, I think you are a very healthy man. I think you have mentioned that you had broke up with your gf in another thread. Please keep in mind, when your reservoir was full, it will spill since you have no place for drainage. IMO It is very natural to have nocturnal emissions in your case for most males.

"I would say my sexual urges have decreased since this started."
Your urges have decreased is because your energy was used up at night. Therefore, it decreases your normal urges in the regular basis.

If you want to keep the libido in tact and to compensate the energy from the nocturnal emissions, what you can do is practice static Chi Kung. I know someone is feeding you a lot of information that you might not be able to grasp. Actually, all the names had given for Chi Kung are just fancy names. Believe it or not, the basic principle is the same and has the same effect on your body internally.

I think I had given you an offer to assist with the Chi Kung practice, but you had declined because you were interested in the "Spring Forest Qi Gong". Indeed, it is fine as long as you practice it diligently. If you have any question I am glad to assist you through PM.......

Here is my advice. If you have decided to practice Chi Kung and learn it form someone, then stay with one style and one instructor. So, you won't be confused with the flooded information that someone was given you.

Edited May 3, 2013 by ChiDragon

[Harmonious Emptiness]

You might be interested in the list of "herbs to prevent loss of essence" near the bottom of this page. I would strongly recommend taking the list to a qualified Chinese herbalist who can do pulse diagnosis, explain your situation, and ask if he would recommend any of them for you.

[Maddie]

Hey, according to TCM this is caused from Kidney Yin def. In addition to the nocturnal emissions do you have lower back pain, sore/weak knees, and/or night sweats? The formula Liu Wei Di Huang Wan is the classic Yin def. formula, try it.

 

http://www.activeherb.com/yinvive/

[Antares]

Hey, according to TCM this is caused from Kidney Yin def. In addition to the nocturnal emissions do you have lower back pain, sore/weak knees, and/or night sweats? The formula Liu Wei Di Huang Wan is the classic Yin def. formula, try it.

 

http://www.activeherb.com/yinvive/

 

I think that NE is normal for every man as only excessive amount of sperm is released at night. But if it goes along with back pain and prem. ejac. then it might be yin kidney def.

[Maddie]

I think that NE is normal for every man as only excessive amount of sperm is released at night. But if it goes along with back pain and prem. ejac. then it might be yin kidney def.

According to TCM its never normal, but then again neither is PMS but since its so common in the west we just think its normal lol. I've had one nocturnal emission in my entire life, when I was 16..... I have no idea why, but just stating the facts haha.

[Antares]

According to TCM its never normal, but then again neither is PMS but since its so common in the west we just think its normal lol. I've had one nocturnal emission in my entire life, when I was 16..... I have no idea why, but just stating the facts haha.

 

If man has sex or masturbates often then NE does not happen. But if one has no sex for 2-3 weeks then it is "normal". Because body produces excess amount of sperm. This is self regulation. Why is it not healthy?

[Maddie]

If man has sex or masturbates often then NE does not happen. But if one has no sex for 2-3 weeks then it is "normal". Because body produces excess amount of sperm. This is self regulation. Why is it not healthy?

 

I guess because 5000 years of TCM says its not haha.

[Antares]

When to seek medical advice?

 

Talk with our doctor when nocturnal emissions occurring twice a week or more

 

http://www.roymedical.com/english/nocturnal.htm

[Antares]

I guess because 5000 years of TCM says its not haha.

According to western medicine NE is a feature of GOOD health of sexual glands. Lol.

 

But one should consider the regimen of the day. Not to eat late, exercise, no alcohol, no porn, no meat...

Edited May 3, 2013 by Eugene

[Maddie]

According to western medicine NE is a feature of GOOD health of sexual glands. Lol.

That is true according to western medicine lol

[ChiDragon]

I guess because 5000 years of TCM says its not haha.

 

Yes, NE is not healthy was just a myth from the ancient Taoists who thought they were loosing Jing. Loosing Jing will cause them to shorten their lives for longevity.

 

@ dmattwads...I believe in western science(not medicine) more than the concepts in the TCM.

[Antares]

That is true according to western medicine lol

Will you give a link where it is stated that NE ALONE is feature of kidney def.? I only find info that it is not normal when goes along with back pain, fatigue, headache, joint ache, impotence, stomach bloating...

[Maddie]

 

Yes, NE is not healthy was just a myth from the ancient Taoists who thought they were loosing Jing. Loosing Jing will cause them to shorten their lives for longevity.

 

@ dmattwads...I believe in western science(not medicine) more than the concepts in the TCM.

 

That's fine. Ironically most of my friends I hang out with do not go to my school and are totally western and totally skeptical of eastern lol, who'd-of-thunk-it. Of course western science / medicine does not believe in qi, yin, yang, jing, ect... either. I had started off pre-med biology and worked for several western doctors and in a hospital because I wanted to help people, but became extremely disillusioned with the pharmaceutical industry (itself and its products).

[Maddie]

Will you give a link where it is stated that NE ALONE is feature of kidney def.? I only find info that it is not normal when goes along with back pain, fatigue, headache, joint ache, impotence, stomach bloating...

Sure. The cause is given under Etiology and Parthenogenesis

 

http://www.acupuncture.com/Conditions/noctemission.htm

[Antares]

 

That's fine. Ironically most of my friends I hang out with do not go to my school and are totally western and totally skeptical of eastern lol, who'd-of-thunk-it. Of course western science / medicine does not believe in qi, yin, yang, jing, ect... either.

 

Yeah, but you have to study it very carefully. I could not find any info that NE WITH SEX. DREAM is NOT normal.

It is not normal when happens WITH NO sex. dream and along with other symptoms. Such as:

 

 

 

A nocturnal emission is an involuntary discharge of semen during sleep, usually accompanied by spiritlessness, soreness and weakness of lumbus and knees, dizziness, tinnitus, palpitation, insomnia, etc. This disorder, occurring in cases of neurasthenia, prostatitis, spermatocystitis and other chronic diseases in modern medicine, may be differentiated and treated as mentioned in this section.

http://www.acupuncture.com/Conditions/noctemission.htm

Edited May 3, 2013 by Eugene

[Maddie]

 

 

Yeah, but you have to study it very carefully. I could not find any info that NE WITH SEX. DREAM is NOT normal.

It is not normal when happens WITH NO sex. dream and along with other symptoms. Such as:

 

 

 

http://www.acupuncture.com/Conditions/noctemission.htm

 

Yes, I guess they said "usually" to cover their ass lol, cause there is like the 1% other explanation but its even more weird than the Yin def. one, so usually never mentioned. lol

[ChiDragon]

.......Of course western science / medicine does not believe in qi, yin, yang, jing, ect... either. I had started off pre-med biology and worked for several western doctors and in a hospital because I wanted to help people, but became extremely disillusioned with the pharmaceutical industry (itself and its products).

 

The problem with the term "Qi", in the west, only has one definition as "energy" and refused other possible definitions. Thus that is their only hing up. "Jing" is an ambiguous term, even an ordinary Chinese still couldn't come out with a definite explanation. Before the "semen retention", the original idea was "essence retention". However, once, it was mistakenly though that 精, Jing(essence) were semen(精液) by some Taoists. Since then, they came up with the idea about semen retention. Unfortunately, somehow the whole conceptual idea about "essence retention" were twisted to become "semen retention".

 

Note: The character 精 was used for essence(精) and semen(精液). It was easily to be mistakenly understood the difference between the two. I believe sperms were not known by the Taoists, at the time, because semen was only visible to them. Maybe that is why they came up with the idea of "semen retention".

 

Edited May 3, 2013 by ChiDragon

[Maddie]

 

The problem with the term "Qi", in the west, only has one definition as "energy" and refused other possible definitions. Thus that is their only hing up. "Jing" is an ambiguous term, even an ordinary Chinese still couldn't come out with a definite explanation. Before the "semen retention", the original idea was "essence retention". However, once, it was mistakenly though that 精, Jing(essence) were semen(精液) by some Taoists. Since then, they came up with the idea about semen retention. Unfortunately, somehow the whole conceptual idea about "essence retention" were twisted to become "semen retention".

 

Note: The character 精 was used for essence(精) and semen(精液). It was easily to be mistakenly understood the difference between the two. I believe sperms were not known by the Taoists, at the time, because semen was only visible to them. Maybe that is why they came up with the idea of "semen retention".

 

 

I understand the point your making, but its important not to muddle two distinct concepts which are taoist retention practices and TCM for the lay person.

 

The taoists as you correctly stated did not want to loose semen during sleep or any other time so they could not loose jing, but rather convert that jing into higher forms of energy for spiritual practice.

 

The idea of nocturnal emission for the lay person from a TCM point of view is different. This perspective is not assuming someone is a taoist but just your average joe. All TCM is saying is that if you have a nocturnal emission then its because your kidneys don't have enough yin to hold it in.

 

Of course this discussion is not new lol. At my school my professors were talking about this and how in their experience 99.99% of every case they treated of nocturnal emission was due to kidney yin def. Nocturnal emission is common in the west, as is PMS which TCM also states is not normal. Now is suppose if you define normal as common then perhaps it is normal, but if you define normal as in the way your body is supposed to function in an optimal state then it is not normal. It's also been my personal experience as an intern (and all the other interns I know) that in every single case of nocturnal emission any of us has ever treated its ALWAYS with out exception been Kidney yin def. It's also noteworthy that in these cases of "normal" nocturnal emission that once treated they almost always stop.

 

Now I have one professor who is particularly interesting. He is from Taiwan and his family lineage in TCM goes back many generations. They have quite a reputation in Taiwan. Any how as I mentioned this debate is not new at all, and one day in class a few of the students who were of the "nocturnal emission is normal camp" were discussing with the professor all the same points that have been made in this thread today. Anyways they finally got him to concede that technically not every single case of nocturnal emission was always 100% from Kidney yin def. But the answer that followed did not make any of them feel any better about it lol. At first the professor looked hesitant and then told us to never tell patients this because they would think we were nuts. He said that there are a few cases where a patient will have nocturnal emission but when you check out their Kidney yin it is fine. He said in this case sometimes the patient is the victim of a succubus attack at night. Apparently the succubus wants to steal the mans jing so it has sex with the man while he is sleeping. He said in Taiwan this is considered very serious, but again emphasized that this is very rare and to not worry about it.

 

But personally I have as of yet to see a man who has nocturnal emissions who does not have Kidney yin def.

[xor]

A little OT but to comment on the succubus thing, medieval europeans often thought that nocturnal emissions were caused by succubi, a type of demon that feeds on spirit of men and may result in weakening or worse. For women the demon was called incubus.

Edited May 3, 2013 by Guest

[Antares]

Yes, I guess they said "usually" to cover their ass lol, cause there is like the 1% other explanation but its even more weird than the Yin def. one, so usually never mentioned. lol

I can not agree with you here. Saying this you admit that if example somebody has back pain it means that diagnose is the same - kidney def. LOL. And then you as doctor put this diagnose to a man and who knows how it will affect him. May be he will get drunk and kill somebody. I stand for careful study of such subtle things. You missed some points here IMO. Even this you should consider:

 

 

 

(a)Differentiation between the physiological emission and the pathologic emission: Nocturnal emission occurring once during a period of 15-30 days is considered physiological

This is already not kidneys

 

And

 

( Identification of the diseased position: Generally speaking, the case due to overthinking or hyperactivity of prime-minister fire mostly involves the heart, while that due to the failure of holding the semen and not associated with dreams suggests the involvement of the kidneys.

 

But you do not bother LOL