The decline and eventual fall of the USA as world superpower?

[joeblast]

i am not ok with being conned

so i have no illusions about the shepherd.

i don't live with it, i deal with it.

not by formenting hatred for the shepherd

not by instigating the herd

 

grown ups don't curse the darkness

grown ups switch on the damn light.

you seem to be saying conning is the name of the game, just accept it and you'll be fine...basically exactly what a Conner wants to have his con-ees think!

 

cargill is doing what cargill does best.

you are living in the forest.

if you are the prey, watch out for predators.

antelopes don't whine, they run

be realistic like other animals

they deal with the situation

you should too.

AAnd if antelopes had opposable thumbs, big cortex, a constitution, and guns, what do you think theyd do to properly identified predators?

 

why didn't congress hear tice out if indeed there had been violations of the rights of american people?

in other words, why didn't the american people pay any heed to tice?

what makes you think kahngress as a whole.is even interested. Why else would it be the.case of veritable instant millionaire getting in?

[narveen]

you seem to be saying conning is the name of the game, just accept it and you'll be fine...basically exactly what a Conner wants to have his con-ees think!

 

no, that's not what i'm saying.

conning is indeed the name of the game.

and that's life;

you accept the terms that you are in the game

it's poker and everybody lies.

make sure you are not the worst at lying.

 

AAnd if antelopes had opposable thumbs, big cortex, a constitution, and guns, what do you think theyd do to properly identified predators?

 

stop dreaming.

accept your karma

run.

 

what makes you think kahngress as a whole.is even interested. Why else would it be the.case of veritable instant millionaire getting in?

 

take responsibility

stop making everybody wrong

if your dad is a layabout shit.

deal with it or move on.

[joeblast]

Conversing with you on this is worthless. Good day.

[zerostao]

[narveen]

Conversing with you on this is worthless. Good day.

 

i'm sorry you feel this way.

debate is the way of democracy

the mature way

 

when the talk stops

the bullets fly

this is not the american way

[idiot_stimpy]

i'm sorry you feel this way.

debate is the way of democracy

the mature way

 

when the talk stops

the bullets fly

this is not the american way

 

Then you can be mature, and I'll be immature

[idiot_stimpy]

governments are run by people

governments are corrupt because people are corrupt

we are the corrupt people.

 

would you prefer us corrupt people to be governed by a computer?

 

huh?

[ralis]

NSA Spying Lawsuit Advances Despite Long Odds, National Security Concerns.

 

Electronic Frontier Foundation brings suit to NSA spying.

 

Since when does a 'national security letter' from the FISA court become a warrant? Absolutely violates the 4th. amendment.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/12/nsa-spying-lawsuit_n_3574997.html

Edited July 12, 2013 by ralis

[Marblehead]

Funny. Three or four days ago I saw an article that stated that the USPS is doing work for the NSA in that it is keeping records of who is sending mail and receiving mail from whom. I saw it only once and then the next time I looked at the same news service the article was gone.

 

What irritates me a lot is that the government is using my tax dollars to spy on me. Ain't that a bitch?

[zerostao]

every piece of mail you receive has had the adress label of the sender photgraphed and stored into some bulk holding place that seems to be the way the governments runs it bizness anymore.

i saw the article too and i didnt find when this practice actually began.

[ralis]

Funny. Three or four days ago I saw an article that stated that the USPS is doing work for the NSA in that it is keeping records of who is sending mail and receiving mail from whom. I saw it only once and then the next time I looked at the same news service the article was gone.

 

What irritates me a lot is that the government is using my tax dollars to spy on me. Ain't that a bitch?

 

I posted that right here. The NY Times link is still valid.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/04/us/monitoring-of-snail-mail.html?_r=1&

 

http://thetaobums.com/topic/28815-the-decline-and-eventual-fall-of-the-usa-as-world-superpower/page-7#entry448861

[Marblehead]

That wasn't the article I saw but the basics are the same.

[narveen]

What irritates me a lot is that the government is using my tax dollars to spy on me. Ain't that a bitch?

 

it sure is a bitch also when they pat me down everytime i take a flight out or back into the country.

apparently, we americans have laws against discrimination by the government.

so the government says, "f*ck it! if they won't let us pin-point the likely ones then let's spy on everyone."

Edited July 13, 2013 by narveen

[narveen]

Then you can be mature, and I'll be immature

 

yours is the very attitude of the government.

let the people be mature, we will be immature.

 

as a government operative to protect america,

snowdon's job was not to practice democracy

his job was to preserve it.

[Marblehead]

his job was to preserve it.

And he was trying to do just that. Letting the POPLE know that the government is spying on them and actually violating a law they just recently passed.

[Apech]

And he was trying to do just that. Letting the POPLE know that the government is spying on them and actually violating a law they just recently passed.

 

 

Ah I see you americans are still rearranging the deck chairs as the ship goes down.

[Marblehead]

Ah I see you americans are still rearranging the deck chairs as the ship goes down.

You know what i've been saying recently about truth. If you're going down anyway you might as well go down your way.

[narveen]

Ah I see you americans are still rearranging the deck chairs as the ship goes down.

 

everybody wants to see the america ship go down.

maybe it will

as the last one going down

long after all ships are sunk

[narveen]

And he was trying to do just that. Letting the POPLE know that the government is spying on them and actually violating a law they just recently passed.

 

in doing his job,

he was supposed to play his part.

 

like the part your feet play

their job is to transport your body

not kick you in the butt

when you are not going their way.

Edited July 14, 2013 by narveen

[ralis]

For anyone interested in history, Toynbee's work is recommended. What is happening in the U.S. is what happens to all civilizations and empires without exception! Toynbee's work is in 6 volumes

 

http://www.scribd.com/search-documents?query=toynbee+a+study+of+history

 

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=ntt_athr_dp_sr_1?_encoding=UTF8&field-author=Arnold%20J.%20Toynbee&search-alias=books&sort=relevancerank

[rene]

ralis, hi, do you know how any of the other fallen empires compared with U.S. re geographical area? What I'm asking is... others fell because they got too spread out, couldn't support/control, yes? - whereas the US will likely implode under its own weight, etc. Thoughts?

 

Thanks for the links -

 

warm regards

 

p.s.. first link no results, typed in toynbee, got some dude wrote on bob marley. Amazon link worked fine.

Edited July 14, 2013 by rene

[ralis]

ralis, hi, do you know how any of the other fallen empires compared with U.S. re geographical area? What I'm asking is... others fell because they got too spread out, couldn't support/control, yes? - whereas the US will likely implode under its own weight, etc. Thoughts?

 

Thanks for the links -

 

warm regards

 

p.s.. first link no results, typed in toynbee, got some dude wrote on bob marley. Amazon link worked fine.

 

 

The link works for me. Maybe because I am a member. Type in Arnold J. Toynbee.

 

Will write more tomorrow when I have time.

Edited July 14, 2013 by ralis

[rene]

That worked -but it came up in italian lolol

 

Here's the link you want in your post:

 

http://www.scribd.com/search-documents?query=Arnold%20J.%20Toynbee%20&language=1

 

g'nite.

 

[narveen]

ralis, hi, do you know how any of the other fallen empires compared with U.S. re geographical area? What I'm asking is... others fell because they got too spread out, couldn't support/control, yes? - whereas the US will likely implode under its own weight, etc. Thoughts?

 

other empires were political structures

the us is a cultural empire that has covered the entire planet

and help lifted 300 million above the poverty line in china alone

eight of the top global brands are american

faltering europe and asia are now latching onto the powering up of the american economic engine

why would the us implode under its own weight?

[Marblehead]

in doing his job,

he was supposed to play his part.

Perhaps the role he was given to play was too dirty to play.

 

Some of us have drawn lines in the sand and we will not cross that line, no matter what.