The decline and eventual fall of the USA as world superpower?

[Marblehead]

 

I'm here. I matter. You're here. You matter.

WE'RE ALL here, we ALL matter.

 

 

I will be avoiding these negaive threads for a while. My attitude has grown a little negaive and I don't like it.

 

And you are right, we all matter.

[voidisyinyang]

If you care to read, William Shirer's account of the rise and fall of Nazi Germany goes into detail as to why Hitler hated the communists and Jews. It all began in Munich Germany.

 

You have derailed this topic from the OP. Why not participate?

 

http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Fall-Third-Reich-ebook/dp/B005Z57E18/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1374420988&sr=8-1&keywords=rise+and+fall+of+the+third+reich

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXyaNHPogpY

 

Yeah I've never read this book - but Sam Cook read it!!

[voidisyinyang]

the nigerians don't know how to get that oil out of the ground

and that is why they hired the oil companies to get the oil out

western oil companies are contractors hired by the nigerian government

 

 

Even before the consolidation of British control over all of present day Nigeria's borders in 1914 from the protectorates of Southern and Northern Nigeria, British forces had begun imposing drastic political and economic policies on the Nigerian people which would lead to important consequences in the future. Originally this was done primarily through the government-owned Royal Niger Company. The company was crucial in securing most of Nigeria's major ports and monopolised coastal trade; this resulted in the severing of ties which linked the area to the flourishing West African regional trade network, in favour of the exportation of cheap natural resources and cash crops to industrialising nations. Most of the population eventually abandoned food production for such market-dependent crops (peanuts and cotton in the north, palm oil in the east, and cocoa in the west).^[10] From the beginning divide and rule tactics were employed by both traders and administrators by highlighting ethno-religious differences and playing groups against one another. After 1914, the north was permitted a system of indirect rule under authoritarian leaders, while in the south the British exercised control directly.^[10]

 

Interest in Nigerian oil originated in 1914 with an ordinance making any oil and mineral under Nigerian soil legal property of the Crown. By 1938 the colonial government had granted the state-sponsored company, Shell (then known as Shell D'Arcy) monopoly over exploration of all minerals and petroleum throughout the entire colony.^[10] Commercially viable oil was discovered by Shell roughly 90 km west of the soon-to-be oil capital of Port Harcourt at Oloibiri (now in Bayelsa State) in 1956; initially a 50–50 profit sharing system was implemented between the company and the government. Until the late 1950s concessions on production and exploration continued to be the exclusive domain of the company, then known as Shell-British Petroleum. However, other firms became interested and by the early 1960s Mobil, Texaco, and Gulf had purchased concessions.^[6]

Westerners did steal the oil.

 

It's called genocidal colonialism.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_industry_in_Nigeria

[ralis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXyaNHPogpY

 

Yeah I've never read this book - but Sam Cook read it!!

 

Not following you on that one.

[voidisyinyang]

http://www.zcommunications.org/fantasies-by-noam-chomsky

 

Chomsky on the Zizek "clown"

[narveen]

If you care to read, William Shirer's account of the rise and fall of Nazi Germany goes into detail as to why Hitler hated the communists and Jews. It all began in Munich Germany.

 

i read that a long time ago along with tons of other material

practically all are as biased as the history channel

none has anything good to say about hitler's germany

i won't accept evaluations based on other people's sentiments

 

You have derailed this topic from the OP. Why not participate?

 

derailed?

that's your opinion.

you should focus on the topic

instead of playing sheep-herder

[narveen]

I will be avoiding these negaive threads for a while. My attitude has grown a little negaive and I don't like it.

 

NAJA does come on strong and his views are moving you

the way a catholic priest get moved by a real hot chick in a bikini

 

the priest doesn't like that either

even though we love it.

[ralis]

i read that a long time ago along with tons of other material

practically all are as biased as the history channel

none has anything good to say about hitler's germany

i won't accept evaluations based on other people's sentiments

 

Are you asserting that Germany was benevolent in the holocaust and invading Russia?

[Apech]

i read that a long time ago along with tons of other material

practically all are as biased as the history channel

none has anything good to say about hitler's germany

i won't accept evaluations based on other people's sentiments

 

What should they say that was good? The trains ran on time? They built volkswagons and lots of autobaans? Lovely line in black chic uniforms? Oh yes and raged catastrophic war in Europe and tried to exterminate the Jews (amongst others) who they labeled as sub-human and so on.

[narveen]

What should they say that was good? The trains ran on time? They built volkswagons and lots of autobaans? Lovely line in black chic uniforms? Oh yes and raged catastrophic war in Europe and tried to exterminate the Jews (amongst others) who they labeled as sub-human and so on.

 

if the jews were exterminated and you feel bad

then you need to take responsibility for that

yes, you! personally you!

don't blame hitler and don't blame the germans

if you do that, then you are racist to the core!

and you should indeed find that mindset hateful

 

every time a black man is killed by another black man in america

it's called black on black violence

everytime a human being is killed by another human being in the world

it's should be called human on human violence

none of us is innocent of the crime

don't discriminate

you are bad and i am holy

i study the tao and you are a beast

what crap!

 

you know what?

i never did understand what the jews had to do with anything.

to me, that - what happened to those folks - sad as it was, should have been a footnote

within the historical context of human on human brutality

and we are still at it!

nuclear weapons stockpiles in their thousands have all our names on them

each is more lethal than the two that fried the japanese in 1945.

 

the second world war was a colossal social phenomenon

like the mother of all hurricanes

i know the first world war was no small rumble

but it doesn't move me as much as the second world war

 

don't get me wrong

it bothers me when people - regardless of ethnic origin - get killed

the brutality that the "chinese" suffered at the hands of the "japanese"

was unbelievably horrible

it's disingenuous to finger point the japanese

we are evil

all of us

[Apech]

if the jews were exterminated and you feel bad

then you need to take responsibility for that

yes, you! personally you!

don't blame hitler and don't blame the germans

if you do that, then you are racist to the core!

and you should indeed find that mindset hateful

 

I was under the impression that the Nazis designed and implemented the 'final solution' ... I didn't do that ... so why should I take responsibility for it? I don't blame all Germans just Mr. H and his mates. I blame them cos they did it ... simple as that. I am not racist ... I know this about myself ... I don't need your opinion.

[narveen]

I was under the impression that the Nazis designed and implemented the 'final solution' ... I didn't do that ... so why should I take responsibility for it? I don't blame all Germans just Mr. H and his mates. I blame them cos they did it ... simple as that. I am not racist ... I know this about myself ... I don't need your opinion.

 

nobody needs anybody' opinion

that's why we go on implementing final solutions

when we target the blameworthy solely based on the impression

that they did it.

 

this is why power is so important

we hate it when we don't have it

and we are hated when we do

 

"i don't need your opinion"

and that's when the panzers roll

[voidisyinyang]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cScj74I5P8M

 

 

Professor Sutton stated, "Western textbooks on Soviet economic development omit any description of the economic and financial aid given to the 1917 Revolution and subsequent economic development by Western Firms and banks." "In the Bolshevik Revolution we have some of the world's richest and most powerful men financing a movement which claims its very existence is based on the concept of stripping of their wealth," declared Allen. "[M]en like the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Schiffs, Warburgs, Morgans, Harrimans, and Milners."

Perloff agreed, "Jacob Schiff, the head of Kuhn, Loeb and Co., heavily bankrolled the [Communist] revolution. This was reported by White Russian General Arsine de Goulevitch in his book Czarism and the Revolution." "According to his grandson John," described Allen, "Jacob Schiff ... long-time associate of the Rothschilds, financed the Communist Revolution in Russia to the tune of $20 million." He continued, "According to a report on file with the State Department, his firm, Kuhn Loeb and Co. bankrolled the first five year plan for Stalin," and added, "Schiff's descendents are active in the Council on Foreign Relations today."

Referring to the emergence of a communist dictatorship which resulted from the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917, Professor Marrs wrote that they were funded by "Germany and America. ... Their repugnant campaign to purify and cleanse Mother Russia and to seek world domination resulted in ... [millions of] human beings wiped out and brutally purged..." He attested, "Brown Brothers Harriman" helped finance it with "money made possible by it and the affiliated Guaranty Trust Company." Professor Sutton agreed, writing "W. Averell Harriman was a director of Guaranty Trust Company" and "was involved in the Bolshevik Revolution."

On February 3, 1949, the New York Journal-American stated, "Today it is estimated even by Jacob's grandson, John Schiff, a prominent member of New York Society, that the old man sank about $20,000,000 for the final triumph of Bolshevism in Russia. Other New York banking firms also contributed."

Referring to a June 15, 1933, Congressional Record, Allen wrote "Congressman Louis McFadden, chairman of the House Banking Committee, maintained in a speech to his fellow Congressman: "The Soviet government has been given United States Treasure funds by the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks acting through the Chase Bank and the Guaranty Trust Company and other banks in New York City. ... Open up the books of Amtorg, the trading organization of the Soviet government in New York, and of Gostorg, the general office of the Soviet Trade Organization, and of the State Bank of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and you will be staggered to see how much American money has been taken from the United States' Treasury for the benefit of Russia."

"Now our textbooks tell us that the Nazis and Soviets were bitter enemies and their systems are opposites," observed Professor Sutton. But in the "1920s, W. Averell Harriman was a prime supporter of the Soviets with finance and diplomatic assistance ... [and] participated in RUSKOMBANK," which was "the first Soviet commercial bank. Furthermore, Max May, the Vice President of Guaranty Trust, which was dominated by Harriman and Morgan, became the first Vice-President of Ruskombank." However, declared Professor Sutton, "Averell Harriman, his brother Roland Harriman, and ... E.S. James and Knight Woolley, through the Union Bank ... were prime financial backers of Hitler." He asked, "How could a rational man support Soviets and Nazis at the same time?"

A curious dilemma arises when faced with the documented fact that Wall Street funded both Communists and Nazis.

Before Winston Churchill became Prime Minister of Great Britain, he acknowledged a conscious effort of wealthy people to install a communist dictatorship in Russia. He wrote in the February 18th, 1920 issue of the London Illustrated Sunday Herald, that "From the days of Spartacus [Adam] Weishaupt ... to those of Karl Marx, to those of Trotsky, Bella Kuhn, Rose Luxembourg, and Emma Goldman, this world-wide conspiracy has been steadily growing." He affirmed, "It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century; and now at last, this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically undisputed masters of that enormous empire."

Edited July 22, 2013 by pythagoreanfulllotus

[voidisyinyang]

In 2010 Goldman Sachs bankers received $15.3 billion in bonuses alone, enough to feed every hungry person on the planet.

[ralis]

Wall Street banks hoarding commodities in order to drive up prices. I doubt the CFTC will do anything about it.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/21/wall-street-metal_n_3632428.html?utm_hp_ref=business

[zerostao]

"no revolution without blood" , a chinese saying

 

this is meant to tell the difference between

the inconsequential riff-raffs of activism

and true revolutionaries

ghandhi apparently missed the memo

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

NAJA does come on strong and his views are moving you

the way a catholic priest get moved by a real hot chick in a bikini

 

the priest doesn't like that either

even though we love it.

 

All I can say about this is that so long as free will is not treated as sacred law, everyone and everything is and will be wrong.

I cannot comprehend any semblance of "justice" that does not consider free will, consent, and personhood as validation factors.

 

 

a law that is validated by money is an unjust law.

 

[zerostao]

http://www.zcommunications.org/fantasies-by-noam-chomsky

 

Chomsky on the Zizek "clown"

take your blinders off,, wouldnt it be great to see them in the same room, face to face and debating?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ1ylGxGBF4

[Apech]

"i don't need your opinion"

and that's when the panzers roll

 

 

Yep I have unleashed the blitzkrieg ... open the window and listen for that rumbling, squeaking thunder coming down the road.

[voidisyinyang]

take your blinders off,, wouldnt it be great to see them in the same room, face to face and debating?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ1ylGxGBF4

 

yeah this is what Chomsky wrote the above response for. Thks - I had not heard Zizek's original "response" to Chomsky....

 

BTW -- Zizek sent me a postcard in 1996 saying a monograph I sent him was "fascinating" and he would read it and get back to me.

 

He never got back to me but his next book - the Plague of Fantasies - -focused on the specific criticisms I made of Zizek -- criticisms not found in his previous books - on my ecofeminist and paranormal and music critique of Zizek. Of course he didn't name me. haha.

 

His rejection of my criticism was based on Zizek setting up a strawman argument - by not naming me he didn't have to directly deal with my argument.

 

So anyway I knew right then that Zizek was not a sincere intellectual - he is a careerist.

 

Chomsky though has always been sincere - he and I had an email exchange in 2000 - I then later told him the results of that - how I had said his book "War Against Asia" was out of print and it was a shame and he said how his books are not read that much in the U.S. except for the lighter interviews with him and so it was difficult to get stuff reissued. So then AK books reissued At War with Asia the following year. I was not sure if my email helped in that regards but when I mentioned this to Chomsky years later he responded he was not even aware that At War with Asia had been reissued!! haha.

 

I critique both Chomsky and Zizek in my masters thesis which is online - http://reocities.com/Area51/starship/9201/epicenters/preface.html based on qigong, of course.

Edited July 22, 2013 by pythagoreanfulllotus

[voidisyinyang]

http://t.co/CLHVBoYn99

 

Wasn't this thread just in the pit?

 

Oh well....

 

U.S. weapons create Hiroshima-style birth defects in Iraq....

 

oh gotcha - fake narveen thread in the pit.

Edited July 22, 2013 by pythagoreanfulllotus

[voidisyinyang]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyEErQb8PQ8&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLCgAvMVVPYYkW7xfjRv_L59t_IOKCyJOA

 

FBI agent exposes the government cover-up of JFK assassination.

 

kicks in at 40 mns

Edited July 22, 2013 by pythagoreanfulllotus

[BaguaKicksAss]

The thread was split so that we could keep the good bits out of the pit.

[ralis]

This could easily be put in the Zimmerman thread or here but I chose here. More divisiveness from LImbaugh which is not needed nor welcome in this culture. Another example of poorly educated ignorance.

 

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/22/limbaugh-on-white-guilt-its-preposterous-that-caucasians-are-blamed-for-slavery/

 

Virginia attorney general promoting anti-sodomy law. When will these people stop?

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/cuccinelli-looks-to-go-on-offense-against-mcauliffe-over-virginia-sodomy-law/2013/07/16/da514daa-ee5e-11e2-a1f9-ea873b7e0424_story.html?hpid=z2

Edited July 22, 2013 by ralis

[ralis]

Instead of the corporate media engaging in real journalism to inform the public as to the real problems we face, the royal baby is focused upon. I have never understood the fascination with the 'royals'.