The decline and eventual fall of the USA as world superpower?

[zerostao]

How long did you live in a country illegally? How did you earn money? How much money did you earn? How did you find a place to stay?

 

 

did I say I did anything illegal?

how much money did I earn? well, I didn't starve to death obviously and I had enuff to move on when I chose to do so.

how did I find a place to stay? the usual ways, example> I rented a house. I found a landlord who had an available property.

how did I earn money? you don't have to have millions like you suggest to do bizness.

have you ever traveled outside the usa mpg?

[johndoe2012]

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Edited August 18, 2013 by chris d

[zerostao]

 

If passports in and of themselves are not proof that greed is king and humanity are pawns,then I don't know what is.

Hey pawns, make me your new king. fuck greed up the ass with a jagged rusty broken machete.

 

Oh, would you rather be pawns for a superpower and gaurentee your wretched continued suffering, or at least fight back and die on your feet instead of on your knees?

 

 

Scared?

Knees it is... you make me sad.

zen nomad, drink smarter not harder. sometimes you have to adapt to the environment.

besides I have entered and left countries without ever having been asked to present a passport,

I do understand things may not be as wide open as they once were,,,,,

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

if smarter is playing the game, then I will stick to harder and break it. its not worth my time, and in spite of what the physiological egoic brain thinks, its not worth anyone's time. it is more valuable to see the ruins of epic civilizations fallen than it is to build any civility at all.

If smarter only builds civility, then I pray harder can break it.

[voidisyinyang]

houses can be bought in detroit already for 1,500-5,000$.

these are american houses and no one is rushing in to buy them or live there.

 

Actually Detroit is now offering to pay people to move into abandoned houses.

 

They are giving over $20,000 forgiveable loans and other incentives....

[zerostao]

Actually Detroit is now offering to pay people to move into abandoned houses.

 

They are giving over $20,000 forgiveable loans and other incentives....

I wonder if anyone will venture into Detroit for those incentives?

there was a time when many left the hills here to go find their American dream in Detroit,,,,

seems long ago now

[Thunder_Gooch]

Well if you were there legally then I assume you stayed there as long as your passport allowed for, something like 90 days?

 

You must have a visa of some sort to stay there long term, that's how it works.

 

You get a visa by speaking the language, having a BS relevant to your field, having credentials that prove you can do your job, and having a job offer from a company willing to work through the bureaucratic red tape.

 

or

 

You find someone to marry you.

 

or.

 

You have enough money to come with an investors visa.

 

 

Expecting to be able just pick up and stay in a country as an illegal immigrant and not get deported isn't realistic, unless you are in some third world hell hole.

 

 

did I say I did anything illegal?

how much money did I earn? well, I didn't starve to death obviously and I had enuff to move on when I chose to do so.

how did I find a place to stay? the usual ways, example> I rented a house. I found a landlord who had an available property.

how did I earn money? you don't have to have millions like you suggest to do bizness.

have you ever traveled outside the usa mpg?

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

I wonder if anyone will venture into Detroit for those incentives?

there was a time when many left the hills here to go find their American dream in Detroit,,,,

seems long ago now

 

 

 

 

of course there are... it's a field of superdimensional thought.

 

you have gradual rises and declines in many various (and often academically compartmentalized) methods of thinking, or "minds".

 

 

you can compare these thought processes, or logic centers, to animal behavior, in most cases.

 

Chemistry is something utilized by most insects for communication and colony control. apt comparisons.

 

 

You can find "lounge lizard" to be more literal than figurative if you study the behavior patterns. "Hound" male mentality, but the honest to god question you have to ask yourself and have only your own self to answer:

 

 

Do you (wish to) emulate an animal?

Do you know how to emulate Humanness?

 

 

What kind of animal gobbles up every perceived opportunity without discretion?

Hint: its a type of frog.

 

Edited August 4, 2013 by Northern Avid Judo Ant

[zerostao]

zen nomad I think you went super dimensional abstract thought on me??

I am gonna have to think your post over lol

@mpg,

to be honest , some of the travels I referenced were b4 9/11 or not long after and it wasn't so uncommon, especially in the western hemisphere to travel in and out without having to show one's papers. I know things have tightened up for the entry/exit.

I wouldn't necessarily marry someone just to stay in a country, I am single, but I could decide to move on to another country, so that doesn't seem like sth I would consider. my current reality; I am thinking of a grad school outside of usa

[Thunder_Gooch]

If you are at place in your life you think you could possibly get out, run buddy run.

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

zen nomad I think you went super dimensional abstract thought on me??

I am gonna have to think your post over lol

@mpg,

to be honest , some of the travels I referenced were b4 9/11 or not long after and it wasn't so uncommon, especially in the western hemisphere to travel in and out without having to show one's papers. I know things have tightened up for the entry/exit.

I wouldn't necessarily marry someone just to stay in a country, I am single, but I could decide to move on to another country, so that doesn't seem like sth I would consider. my current reality; I am thinking of a grad school outside of usa

 

 

oy.. okay simple.

 

 

 

let's say you have a linear sliding bar graph.

 

 

0-100

 

100 being smart, 0 being absent faculties.

 

 

now, let's say you have 21 of these bars. each representing different areas of knowledge, thinking, logic, belief, etc.

 

 

you have a lot of "intelligence factors" fighting for decision making. so naturally if the focus on thinking is just right, the right combination of bars are slid closer to 100 and others to 0, then people will make "bad decisions" - which are also perceptions - opinions, based on individual 'slider combinations'

 

 

 

said simpler:

 

in an RPG you have an intelligence stat that you increase as you level up... the higher it is, the 'better' your responses are to situations, the better the outcomes.

 

in life your intelligence is just a bit more complex. less linear than even my description... beyond cubic, I think... (cant say I know! ha!)

 

 

[zerostao]

If you are at place in your life you think you could possibly get out, run buddy run.

mpg, good point about 'at a place in one's life'.

some countries also offer pension status. if one has a monthly income of as low as 700$-1000$ a month

they can qualify for permanent residency. it doesnt have to be a govt or corporate check either, just demonstrate you can support yourself. is the main idea.

the main point i was trying to make earlier is, that having friends can be every bit as valuable as being in strict compliance with

bureaucratic laws. an example. i was once illegally in a country and needed to leave thru conventional means, fly out on a commercial flight, i didnt have any travel documents. i did have a friend who had a friend who had a friend that could give me an official pass out. it cost me a half a gallon of jim beam whisky that i was able to purchase at the duty free kiosk at the airport. i know of countries that will allow one entrance without passport if you renounce your us citizenship.

my future travels with not include renouncing anything or leaving as any criminal. but there are havens of all sorts out there. they may not be broadly advertised. can everyone expect to have the experience/results that i have had?

perhaps not, but having friends certainly increases the odds.

 

edit results not resluts haha

[ralis]

DEA Special Operations Division Covers Up Surveillance Used To Investigate Americans: Report

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/05/dea-surveillance-cover-up_n_3706207.html

 

Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse. The NSA is the new Stasi!

[voidisyinyang]

[ralis]

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/05/watch-why-you-should-be-very-worried-about-the-deas-spy-program/

 

 

 

[gendao]

Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse. The NSA is the new Stasi!

And that's just the tip of the iceberg...the US is nearly completely infested with parasites who have taken it over now. It has become a completely hypocritical Freudian projector.

Inside the NSA's Ultra-Secret China Hacking Group

 

Deep within the National Security Agency, an elite, rarely discussed team of hackers and spies is targeting America's enemies abroad.

 

BY MATTHEW M. AID | JUNE 10, 2013

Foreign Policy

 

This weekend, U.S. President Barack Obama sat down for a series of meetings with China's newly appointed leader, Xi Jinping. We know that the two leaders spoke at length about the topic du jour -- cyber-espionage -- a subject that has long frustrated officials in Washington and is now front and center with the revelations of sweeping U.S. data mining. The media has focused at length on China's aggressive attempts to electronically steal U.S. military and commercial secrets, but Xi pushed back at the "shirt-sleeves" summit, noting that China, too, was the recipient of cyber-espionage. But what Obama probably neglected to mention is that he has his own hacker army, and it has burrowed its way deep, deep into China's networks.

 

When the agenda for the meeting at the Sunnylands estate outside Palm Springs, California, was agreed to several months ago, both parties agreed that it would be a nice opportunity for President Xi, who assumed his post in March, to discuss a wide range of security and economic issues of concern to both countries. According to diplomatic sources, the issue of cybersecurity was not one of the key topics to be discussed at the summit. Sino-American economic relations, climate change, and the growing threat posed by North Korea were supposed to dominate the discussions.

 

Then, two weeks ago, White House officials leaked to the press that Obama intended to raise privately with Xi the highly contentious issue of China's widespread use of computer hacking to steal U.S. government, military, and commercial secrets. According to a Chinese diplomat in Washington who spoke in confidence, Beijing was furious about the sudden elevation of cybersecurity and Chinese espionage on the meeting's agenda. According to a diplomatic source in Washington, the Chinese government was even angrier that the White House leaked the new agenda item to the press before Washington bothered to tell Beijing about it.

 

So the Chinese began to hit back. Senior Chinese officials have publicly accused the U.S. government of hypocrisy and have alleged that Washington is also actively engaged in cyber-espionage. When the latest allegation of Chinese cyber-espionage was leveled in late May in a front-page Washington Post article, which alleged that hackers employed by the Chinese military had stolen the blueprints of over three dozen American weapons systems, the Chinese government's top Internet official, Huang Chengqing, shot back that Beijing possessed "mountains of data" showing that the United States has engaged in widespread hacking designed to steal Chinese government secrets. This weekend's revelations about the National Security Agency's PRISM and Verizon metadata collection from a 29-year-old former CIA undercover operative named Edward J. Snowden, who is now living in Hong Kong, only add fuel to Beijing's position.

 

But Washington never publicly responded to Huang's allegation, and nobody in the U.S. media seems to have bothered to ask the White House if there is a modicum of truth to the Chinese charges.

 

It turns out that the Chinese government's allegations are essentially correct. According to a number of confidential sources, a highly secretive unit of the National Security Agency (NSA), the U.S. government's huge electronic eavesdropping organization, called the Office of Tailored Access Operations, or TAO, has successfully penetrated Chinese computer and telecommunications systems for almost 15 years, generating some of the best and most reliable intelligence information about what is going on inside the People's Republic of China.

 

Hidden away inside the massive NSA headquarters complex at Fort Meade, Maryland, in a large suite of offices segregated from the rest of the agency, TAO is a mystery to many NSA employees. Relatively few NSA officials have complete access to information about TAO because of the extraordinary sensitivity of its operations, and it requires a special security clearance to gain access to the unit's work spaces inside the NSA operations complex. The door leading to its ultramodern operations center is protected by armed guards, an imposing steel door that can only be entered by entering the correct six-digit code into a keypad, and a retinal scanner to ensure that only those individuals specially cleared for access get through the door.

 

According to former NSA officials interviewed for this article, TAO's mission is simple. It collects intelligence information on foreign targets by surreptitiously hacking into their computers and telecommunications systems, cracking passwords, compromising the computer security systems protecting the targeted computer, stealing the data stored on computer hard drives, and then copying all the messages and data traffic passing within the targeted email and text-messaging systems. The technical term of art used by NSA to describe these operations is computer network exploitation (CNE).

 

TAO is also responsible for developing the information that would allow the United States to destroy or damage foreign computer and telecommunications systems with a cyberattack if so directed by the president. The organization responsible for conducting such a cyberattack is U.S. Cyber Command (Cybercom), whose headquarters is located at Fort Meade and whose chief is the director of the NSA, Gen. Keith Alexander.

 

Commanded since April of this year by Robert Joyce, who formerly was the deputy director of the NSA's Information Assurance Directorate (responsible for protecting the U.S. government's communications and computer systems), TAO, sources say, is now the largest and arguably the most important component of the NSA's huge Signal Intelligence (SIGINT) Directorate, consisting of over 1,000 military and civilian computer hackers, intelligence analysts, targeting specialists, computer hardware and software designers, and electrical engineers.

 

The sanctum sanctorum of TAO is its ultramodern operations center at Fort Meade called the Remote Operations Center (ROC), which is where the unit's 600 or so military and civilian computer hackers (they themselves CNE operators) work in rotating shifts 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

 

These operators spend their days (or nights) searching the ether for computers systems and supporting telecommunications networks being utilized by, for example, foreign terrorists to pass messages to their members or sympathizers. Once these computers have been identified and located, the computer hackers working in the ROC break into the targeted computer systems electronically using special software designed by TAO's own corps of software designers and engineers specifically for this purpose, download the contents of the computers' hard drives, and place software implants or other devices called "buggies" inside the computers' operating systems, which allows TAO intercept operators at Fort Meade to continuously monitor the email and/or text-messaging traffic coming in and out of the computers or hand-held devices.

 

TAO's work would not be possible without the team of gifted computer scientists and software engineers belonging to the Data Network Technologies Branch, who develop the sophisticated computer software that allows the unit's operators to perform their intelligence collection mission. A separate unit within TAO called the Telecommunications Network Technologies Branch (TNT) develops the techniques that allow TAO's hackers to covertly gain access to targeted computer systems and telecommunications networks without being detected. Meanwhile, TAO's Mission Infrastructure Technologies Branch develops and builds the sensitive computer and telecommunications monitoring hardware and support infrastructure that keeps the effort up and running.

 

TAO even has its own small clandestine intelligence-gathering unit called the Access Technologies Operations Branch, which includes personnel seconded by the CIA and the FBI, who perform what are described as "off-net operations," which is a polite way of saying that they arrange for CIA agents to surreptitiously plant eavesdropping devices on computers and/or telecommunications systems overseas so that TAO's hackers can remotely access them from Fort Meade.

 

It is important to note that TAO is not supposed to work against domestic targets in the United States or its possessions. This is the responsibility of the FBI, which is the sole U.S. intelligence agency chartered for domestic telecommunications surveillance. But in light of information about wider NSA snooping, one has to prudently be concerned about whether TAO is able to perform its mission of collecting foreign intelligence without accessing communications originating in or transiting through the United States.

 

Since its creation in 1997, TAO has garnered a reputation for producing some of the best intelligence available to the U.S. intelligence community not only about China, but also on foreign terrorist groups, espionage activities being conducted against the United States by foreign governments, ballistic missile and weapons of mass destruction developments around the globe, and the latest political, military, and economic developments around the globe.

 

According to a former NSA official, by 2007 TAO's 600 intercept operators were secretly tapping into thousands of foreign computer systems and accessing password-protected computer hard drives and emails of targets around the world. As detailed in my 2009 history of NSA, The Secret Sentry, this highly classified intercept program, known at the time as Stumpcursor, proved to be critically important during the U.S. Army's 2007 "surge" in Iraq, where it was credited with single-handedly identifying and locating over 100 Iraqi and al Qaeda insurgent cells in and around Baghdad. That same year, sources report that TAO was given an award for producing particularly important intelligence information about whether Iran was trying to build an atomic bomb.

 

By the time Obama became president of the United States in January 2009, TAO had become something akin to the wunderkind of the U.S. intelligence community. "It's become an industry unto itself," a former NSA official said of TAO at the time. "They go places and get things that nobody else in the IC [intelligence community] can."

 

Given the nature and extraordinary political sensitivity of its work, it will come as no surprise that TAO has always been, and remains, extraordinarily publicity shy. Everything about TAO is classified top secret codeword, even within the hypersecretive NSA. Its name has appeared in print only a few times over the past decade, and the handful of reporters who have dared inquire about it have been politely but very firmly warned by senior U.S. intelligence officials not to describe its work for fear that it might compromise its ongoing efforts. According to a senior U.S. defense official who is familiar with TAO's work, "The agency believes that the less people know about them [TAO] the better."

 

The word among NSA officials is that if you want to get promoted or recognized, get a transfer to TAO as soon as you can. The current head of the NSA's SIGINT Directorate, Teresa Shea, 54, got her current job in large part because of the work she did as chief of TAO in the years after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, when the unit earned plaudits for its ability to collect extremely hard-to-come-by information during the latter part of George W. Bush's administration. We do not know what the information was, but sources suggest that it must have been pretty important to propel Shea to her position today. But according to a recently retired NSA official, TAO "is the place to be right now."

 

There's no question that TAO has continued to grow in size and importance since Obama took office in 2009, which is indicative of its outsized role. In recent years, TAO's collection operations have expanded from Fort Meade to some of the agency's most important listening posts in the United States. There are now mini-TAO units operating at the huge NSA SIGINT intercept and processing centers at NSA Hawaii at Wahiawa on the island of Oahu; NSA Georgia at Fort Gordon, Georgia; and NSA Texas at the Medina Annex outside San Antonio, Texas; and within the huge NSA listening post at Buckley Air Force Base outside Denver.

 

The problem is that TAO has become so large and produces so much valuable intelligence information that it has become virtually impossible to hide it anymore. The Chinese government is certainly aware of TAO's activities. The "mountains of data" statement by China's top Internet official, Huang Chengqing, is clearly an implied threat by Beijing to release this data. Thus it is unlikely that President Obama pressed President Xi too hard at the Sunnydale summit on the question of China's cyber-espionage activities. As any high-stakes poker player knows, you can only press your luck so far when the guy on the other side of the table knows what cards you have in your hand.

What all are they trying to censor here with our own dollars?

Tsarnaev subscribed to publications "espousing white supremacy and government conspiracy theories" specifically, that the September 11 terror attacks and the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing were both orchestrated by the U.S. government. Another article Tsarnaev apparently had in his possession was about "the rape of our gun rights." He also had "material about U.S. drones killing civilians, and about the plight of those still imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay."

Lol, how are any of these issues "white supremacist," "radicalized" or most importantly, necessarily UNTRUE facts??

 

Drones aren't killing civilians? People aren't unfairly indefinitely detained and tortured at Gitmo without trial for years on end? 9II, and other possible false flag attacks, weren't very likely inside jobs used to justify Big Bro? Gun rights aren't relentlessly being threatened by the Obama administration?

Edited August 6, 2013 by vortex

[eye_of_the_storm]

anti-white agenda.

[ralis]

http://warisacrime.org/content/secret-court-it-constitutional

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

while WE are all in here discussing what 'they' are doing, we remain in here doing nothing while "they" continue to affect our lives on a daily basis!

we can either talk about propaganda, or we can stop buying into it, talking about it, justifying it, and start ending it.



would you like to see an end of propaganda?







SIMPLE QUESTION, YEA OR NAY?

Edited August 6, 2013 by Northern Avid Judo Ant

[zerostao]

knee jerk reactions are not gonna work

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

you bring up a lot of unhealed karma there... do you really want to heal those souls, or are you suggesting their pain is in vain and will never be healed?!

[johndoe2012]

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Edited August 18, 2013 by chris d

[zerostao]

its all just a big bluff?

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

civilization? yes. its all one big bluff... sad that I don't know many people who can look past the smoke and mirrors...

[zerostao]

is all this overkill surveillance , a big bluff?

we are watching your every action so behave and stay out of trouble with us, idea

like saddam was bluffing iran and us apparenetly