The decline and eventual fall of the USA as world superpower?

[ralis]

My point is that the feds are out of line and have no business murdering anyone, much less family members of herders that have had their cattle on land for generations.

 

Your point is not in line with my statement but evades it. The ranchers are intentionally wanting to put women in harms way. That is a cowardly act and not one intended by the Feds. The voice in the audio is a rancher not a Fed. Stop flaming the discussion!

Edited April 15, 2014 by ralis

[joeblast]

Your point is invalid.

yeah, that just about sums up every single "debate" with you on the other side who's the troll?

[ralis]

yeah, that just about sums up every single "debate" with you on the other side who's the troll?

 

Please answer the question. Do you advocate the intentional use of women as human shields by the ranchers?

[joeblast]

"Bundy and his ilk" ...or was it some arizona sheriff? nah, those details are inconsequential

 

of course its reprehensible to put women and children up front like that....b-b-b-but what, what about equality?

 

doesnt seem like you have any problem with what the feds are doing and trampling on people's rights....but of course since they arent from your ideological spectrum, it becomes automatically necessary for you to take the opposite side, even if it is from an overreaching and despotic federal government...exercising "rights" it does not have yet illegally lays claim to...

 

sorry man, you've got blue team tattooed across you're forehead, and I think that's every bit as reprehensible.

[Brian]

 

Your point is not in line with my statement but evades it. The ranchers are intentionally wanting to put women in harms way. That is a cowardly act and not one intended by the Feds. The voice in the audio is a rancher not a Fed. Stop flaming the discussion!

How many of those ranchers you suppose are female, ralis? And how many of those are women are you suggesting are incapable of having an opinion of their own? Are women a "special" class or an endangered species to be protected from themselves?

 

EDIT: Are you seriously advocating in favor of the iron-fisted authoritarianism we've seen begin and will soon see renewed in Nevada?

Edited April 15, 2014 by Brian

[ralis]

How many of those ranchers you suppose are female, ralis? And how many of those are women are you suggesting are incapable of having an opinion of their own? Are women a "special" class or an endangered species to be protected from themselves?

 

EDIT: Are you seriously advocating in favor of the iron-fisted authoritarianism we've seen begin and will soon see renewed in Nevada?

 

I am referring to the statement made by former Sheriff Richard Mack. This guy is a misogynist and coward. He is willing to use his daughters and wife as a human shield. That is what I am discussing and will not be drawn into a tangential discussion.

 

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/15/former-sheriff-women-need-to-be-the-first-ones-shot-by-feds-in-bundy-ranch-standoff/

[Brian]

 

I am referring to the statement made by former Sheriff Richard Mack. This guy is a misogynist and coward. He is willing to use his daughters and wife as a human shield. That is what I am discussing and will not be drawn into a tangential discussion.

 

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/15/former-sheriff-women-need-to-be-the-first-ones-shot-by-feds-in-bundy-ranch-standoff/

LMFAO

 

But that IS the tangential discussion, ralis! THE tangential discussion of the occasion. The discussion itself is about an abusive and tyrannical central government using a mixture of the barrel of a gun and the grinding oppression of bureaucratic overreach to dictate "rule-of-man" land-management principles against a citizen of the state of Nevada under the guise of protecting an unthreatened species.

 

Fortunately, the interests of the state of Nevada and its citizens are being safeguarded by the loyal Senators from that state... :-%

[ralis]

LMFAO

 

But that IS the tangential discussion, ralis! THE tangential discussion of the occasion. The discussion itself is about an abusive and tyrannical central government using a mixture of the barrel of a gun and the grinding oppression of bureaucratic overreach to dictate "rule-of-man" land-management principles against a citizen of the state of Nevada under the guise of protecting an unthreatened species.

 

Fortunately, the interests of the state of Nevada and its citizens are being safeguarded by the loyal Senators from that state... :-%

 

I was making a specific point in regards to the situation and you fail to see it. A coward willing to put his wife and daughters in harms way as a human shield. I guess you advocate such infantile behavior.

[Brian]

Pretending for the moment that your tactics are not transparent, please explain the lines of force & authority which constitute this threat of harm against which this family felt a defensive posture was necessary? Please identify the agencies & individuals in positions of power responsible for this situation.

 

(I may choose to return to your tactics later...)

 

I predict things will get muuuuuch better once the EPA formalizes its extrajudicial authority over every square-inch of land in the Union -- that'll be in June or July, apparently. (see also: "Waters of the United States")

[joeblast]

hitlery 16

 

http://prorev.com/connex.htm

 

One of the best shows Limbaugh ever did was when he went down the gigantic list of all the people associated with the Clintons who are dead, suicided, in jail, under investigation, have fled the country, or have criminal backgrounds.

 

 

The Washington Times reports that in the portions of President Clinton's deposition that have been made public in the Paula Jones case, his memory failed him 267 times. This is a list of his answers and how many times he gave each one.

 

I don't remember - 71

I don't know - 62

I'm not sure - 17

I have no idea - 10

I don't believe so - 9

I don't recall - 8

I don't think so - 8

I don't have any specific recollection - 6

I have no recollection - 4

Not to my knowledge - 4

I just don't remember - 4

I don't believe - 4

I have no specific recollection - 3

I might have - 3

I don't have any recollection of that - 2

I don't have a specific memory - 2

I don't have any memory of that - 2

I just can't say - 2

I have no direct knowledge of that - 2

I don't have any idea - 2

Not that I recall - 2

I don't believe I did - 2

I can't remember - 2

I can't say - 2

I do not remember doing so - 2

Not that I remember - 2

I'm not aware - 1

I honestly don't know - 1

I don't believe that I did - 1

I'm fairly sure - 1

I have no other recollection - 1

I'm not positive - 1

I certainly don't think so - 1

I don't really remember - 1

I would have no way of remembering that - 1

That's what I believe happened - 1

To my knowledge, no - 1

To the best of my knowledge - 1

To the best of my memory - 1

I honestly don't recall - 1

I honestly don't remember - 1

That's all I know - 1

I don't have an independent recollection of that - 1

I don't actually have an independent memory of that - 1

As far as I know - 1

I don't believe I ever did that - 1

That's all I know about that - 1

I'm just not sure - 1

Nothing that I remember - 1

I simply don't know - 1

I would have no idea - 1

I don't know anything about that - 1

I don't have any direct knowledge of that - 1

I just don't know - 1

I really don't know - 1

I can't deny that, I just -- I have no memory of that at all - 1

 

 

I see hitlery has a nice new campaign prop on the way for her 2016 race

Edited April 18, 2014 by joeblast

[joeblast]

[joeblast]

I was making a specific point in regards to the situation and you fail to see it. A coward willing to put his wife and daughters in harms way as a human shield. I guess you advocate such infantile behavior.

the problem is fundamental, ralis, as usual.

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-20/martin-armstrong-asks-do-feds-really-own-land-nevada

 

regardless of the political trickery used to secure votes for both a presidential election an an upcoming amendment, and create a state that didnt meet requirements set by the law, the mere fact of conferring statehood upon Nevada was forfeiture of their claim that basically all the land in nevada could be declared as "federally owned."

 

The Supreme Court actually addressed this issue in Pollard’s Lessee v. Hagan, 44 U.S. 212 (1845) when Alabama became a state in 1845. The question presented was concerning a clause where it was stated “that all navigable waters within the said State shall forever remain public highways, free to the citizens of said State, and of the United States, without any tax, duty, impost, or toll therefor imposed by said State.” The Supreme Court held that this clause was constitutional because it “conveys no more power over the navigable waters of Alabama to the Government of the United States than it possesses over the navigable waters of other States under the provisions of the Constitution.”

 

The Pollard decision expressed a statement of constitutional law in dictum making it very clear that the Feds have no claim over the lands in Nevada. The Supreme Court states:

The United States never held any municipal sovereignty, jurisdiction, or right of soil in and to the territory of which Alabama, or any of the new States, were formed, except for temporary purposes, and to execute the trusts created by the acts of the Virginia and Georgia legislatures, and the deeds of cession executed by them to the United States, and the trust created by the treaty of the 30th April, 1803, with the French Republic ceding Louisiana.

 

So in other words, once a territory becomes a state, the Fed must surrender all claims to the land as if it were still just a possession or territory.

 

Sorry, but to all the left-wing commentators who call Bundy a tax-cheat and an outlaw, be careful of what you speak for the Supreme Court has made it clear in 1845 that the Constitution forbids the federal rangers to be out there to begin with for the Feds could not retain ownership of the territory and simultaneously grant state sovereignty. At the very minimum, it became state land – not federal.

[zerostao]

@joeblast, if question # 12 is solvable ramp up the loan to 200 grand there is grad school after all

what's a poor boy to do, anyways,('ceptin to play baguazhang) stick around town and beg for a job at the dollar store or try the luck at college? so far ive experienced mixed results heheh

besides if the big banksters take bailouts, why shouldnt students?

down in the woods , things like that get noticed,,

glad i locked in at 3.86 %, not that it will matter

hopefully the economy stays tanked coz i dont really want a job- that would interfere with bagua /qigong/ meditation time

not to mention fishin' and honky tonkin and have to keep the nature time available

i think todays economy its about be able to adjust.i reckon ima adjustin just fine

 

[joeblast]

"the students will"....at least the banks that hold the notes for the students...wait till that bailout comes around the corner. the students themselves, not so much, well at least you can discharge that debt when you die...

 

the economy will stay tanked, I think. too many excuses to keep wall st tanked. especially since they finally get around to cracking down on high frequency trading, but really, all this crackdown is, is getting those new upstarts kicked back down the hill, cant be encroaching on the casino owner's profits, now.

 

 

and what else ya read,

Justice Scalia: 'Foolish' to Have the Supreme Court Decide If NSA Wiretapping Is Unconstitutional

 

oh, seriously

 

[joeblast]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-19/next-shoe-just-dropped-court-denies-attorney-client-privelege

 

and now it seems that attorney-client privilege is about to go the way of the dodo, too....well, if it suits the governments desires, that is...

 

it used to bother me when people would say that america is a rotting carcass of what it used to be. I've seen way too many examples of it no matter what level of gov we're talking about.

 

consumerism and all that, nothing more than a distraction, like having a really good movie going on in your bedroom TV while the entire first floor gets thieved out.

[zerostao]

"at least you can discharge that debt when you die..."

there is that, and much more too, i just took my exit counseling, and i was like geesh, i shoulda taken more loans,

they sure dont tell ya all this at the beginning counseling

if ya make payments for ten years at a rate of 10% of your "disposable income" (whatever the heck that is?!)

but i never noticed i ever had any "disposable income", anyways make that payment for ten years and the rest is forgiven.

says so in black and white. and there is the 25 year option, and i doubt any of us will be here in 25 years, but i digress,,

yeah it sucks being poor and all without a job, ima gonna have to hang out at the lake all summer and wait for grad school to begin (in hawaii) in the fall, or maybe i'll wait til next january? no hurry, no worries

i wernt no math major but , let me figure , 10% of next to nuthin' is?

 

" attorney-client privilege" we cant trust lawyers now? aw cmon,,,

 

these same ol games been played out here in appalachia the past hundred years, we're pretty used to it by now..

 

heh

 

[joeblast]

well the specifics were part of the issue - apparently the feds think that if you discuss with your tax lawyer the best methods for eliminating as much of your tax burden as possible (...and since a tax lawyer will have spent the 900,000 hours studying the 17 quadrillion lines of tax code, who better to ask, right) is somehow not protected by the attorney client priv. yeah, a lot of lawyers are huckster scum, but when you hire one for advice, you'd at least think that eons of precedent would....oh, wait, what am I thinking...forgot that our new government just picks and chooses laws it deems worthy of recognition, or exploitation, whatever their aim is, that's how it gets applied.

[zerostao]

"government just picks and chooses laws it deems worthy of recognition, or exploitation, whatever their aim is, that's how it gets applied."

 

reminds me of a talking heads song? "you may ask yourself, well, how did i get here"

"into the blue again"

"you may ask yourself, how do i work this?"

"let the days go by, water flowing under"

"same as it ever was"

 

i do agree that the tax code is ridiculous..and no matter who has been elected , we still have the same ol govt,

replacing corrupts with corrupts doesnt change the equation. the democrats have one way to steal from us and the republicans choose a different way is all. i quit worryin about it, long long time ago.

if usa declines and falls wont matter that much to me really,

"you may ask yourself, how do i work this?"

same as it ever was--repeat until infinity

 

[joeblast]

you may ask yourself, why such a big suit?

you may ask yourself, can it be taken in a little?

you may ask yourself, are there any mirrors?

[Formless Tao]

http://mobile.news.com.au/world/us-homeowner-byron-david-smith-heard-taunting-dying-teens-in-audio-of-killings/story-fndir2ev-1226892908886

[joeblast]

*facepalm* a good clean finishing shot? cripes, there's a difference between defending oneself and executing someone after having neutralized a threat.

[joeblast]

[joeblast]

all over a desert tortoise, my ass

 

 

The Feds are gathering and have brought in hired guns. We are more likely than not headed into a military confrontation – the first since Waco. Keep in mind that Obama’s head of the Justice Department, Eric Holder now Attorney General, called the shots on Waco back then. He got away with it before – why not again?

 

 

There is a hope that if enough people show up the Feds will stand-down.

 

The likelihood of the Feds ever backing down is highly unlikely.

 

The Federal Government is severely disconnected from the people and views anyone who stands up to them as a criminal and domestic terrorist.

 

This is merely a dress rehearsal for the next 5 years that we face – a rising confrontation between the people and the government.

...now they are confiscating cattle and sending them immediately to the auction block. how is that not theft.

 

right, barrel of a gun and all that...

Edited April 24, 2014 by joeblast

[zerostao]

"Texas Gov. Rick Perry ® seemed to suggest Wednesday that any bloodshed spilled in the Bundy Ranch standoff will be the fault of the federal government."

strongly agree and to the NYT article saying bundy is a pro-slavery racist, what has that got to do with the price of tea in nevada? the fact is he doesnt own slaves, does he? so who cares a ranchers rambling thoughts.

edit>>isnt it in fact a fascist tactic to try and paint someone as the boogie man?

Edited April 24, 2014 by zerostao

[joeblast]

“The bottom line is that elected officials and those in positions of power or influence have a responsibility to unite behind the basic principle that we are a country of laws, and that whatever our differences, it is unacceptable for individuals to use violence or the threat of violence to advance their radical views.”

Reid

...but it is acceptable for the government to use violence or the threat of violence to advance their radical views?

 

 

 

the same harry that has a solar deal for his son with a chinese company for the land...

 

the same harry who praised obama as a "light-skinned" african-american "with no negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one."

 

the same harry that's been made preposterously rich off insider trading just like almost the entire rest of congress?

 

I'm sure with enough electoral fraud, reid will get "elected" again

 

because, when all else fails, cry 'racist'

Edited April 24, 2014 by joeblast