norbu Posted June 20, 2013 I have noted different systems seem to start the orbit from Different places around the circuit. I don't know which one to use. In my attempts to try it, I just relax and breathe softly, and the circuit seems to run Along on its own. Is this simple way to run the circuit ultimately the best for me? Norbu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seeker of Wisdom Posted June 20, 2013 You don't need to do anything with your chi. Â The old masters focused almost exclusively on their minds and behaviour, and wrote down the stuff they noticed happening to their chi. Later generations read about things like MCO, inverted cause and effect, and now everybody thinks enlightenment is all about chi - a form phenomenon, so hardly directly related to Tao - and puts so much emphasis on chi practices, when chi practices should just be an auxiliary to speed up the natural transformation that results from shamatha, virtue and wisdom. Â Get 'The Attention Revolution' by Alan Wallace if you really want to go far! With this book you'll know how and why to practice the shamatha aspect of cultivation. Virtue speaks for itself, and as you advance in shamatha you'll naturally be drawn to wisdom so don't worry too much about that now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Inspired bum Posted June 23, 2013 MCO is in Lesson 4 (I would do the first 3 though). http://www.chikung.com/wp-content/files/CKBChpt3.pdf  Good luck! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thelerner Posted June 23, 2013 Not that I know of. Its easy to get the 'feeling' of the MCO, though that might be just heightened awareness of the nerves along the circle. For many it stops as just a physical sensation mantra, with the 'real thing' a much more powerful kundaliniesque experience. I tend to think even after years, that's where I am still. Â I agree w/ Michael Winn and others that the best approaches go beyond mental and have physical components. As someone who is admitted 'not there' I like the guided meditation by Minke DeVos (SilentGrounds.com) on her Tao Basics CD called Microcosmic Orbit. Best to train live with a teacher who's been there ofcourse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Republic Of Zen Posted June 24, 2013 (edited) There might be a temple or a dude somewhere better than Mantak Chia but he has so much material you can get online. Got a spare 3hours 40mins? *edit* This links to a long playlist. Edited June 24, 2013 by Republic Of Zen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norbu Posted June 28, 2013 Thanks for the advice guys. I guess I'll check out Mantak Chia's website. Like he's the leper with the most fingers I guess. When I did Yin Xin qigong, the circuit just took off on its own This time I wanted to resume working with it and wasn't sure who to use as a source. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Republic Of Zen Posted June 28, 2013 "the leper with the most fingers" I dont understand this phrase. People dont seem to like his material but he has a lot and there isnt really anyone else to follow? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted June 28, 2013 Could try this: Â http://www.amazon.com/Qigong-Meditation-Circulation-Yang-Jwing-Ming/dp/1594390673/ref=sr_1_10?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1372434006&sr=1-10 Â haven't actually read it yet but everything else by this teacher is good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jetsun Posted June 28, 2013 For me the most useful was the Small Universe MCO of Spring Forest Qigong, simply because they provide a recording to do it by so you can't go wrong with the tempo, breathing and route, plus you have the bonus of calling on the masters energy to help you and healing sounds to aid. If I was to do it on my own from a book I would probably do it too fast and without the right breathing rhythm and miss out on other benefits. Â https://soundcloud.com/rolf-h-corneliussen/01-sitting-meditation-small Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norbu Posted June 29, 2013 Thanks for the info re Spring Forest. I've ordered the CD you mentioned and will give it a try. Norbu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites