teriyaki Posted June 27, 2013 This feels like a step in the right direction http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/community-space-legally-munching-magic-mushrooms-in-marvelous-melbourne?c=home 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chang Posted June 27, 2013 An entheogen ("generating the divine within")[4] is a psychoactive substance used in a religious, shamanic, or spiritual context.[5] Entheogens can supplement many diverse practices for transcendence, and revelation, including meditation, psychonautics, psychedelic and visionary art, psychedelic therapy, and magic. For those interested in the subject the link below will take you to a list of entheogenic substances. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_entheogenic/hallucinogenic_species 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eye_of_the_storm Posted June 27, 2013 (edited) Meanwhile... "legal" drug lords... controlling policy / gov / funding etc etc ... "health" hahahaWith a moral compass such as this... AN American billionaire celebrated his divorce from his wife of 43 years by having an orgy in the back of a limousine and releasing a sex tape of the tryst to his friends. Pharmaceutical mogul Stewart Rahr reportedly sent the tape of the act, which features himself and three young woman, to several of his New York contacts. The emergence of the tape comes just a month after the 67-year-old reached a $250 million divorce settlement with ex-wife Carol. In the tape, the self-titled "King Of All Fun" can be heard talking and instructing the three young women to perform a sex act, while the song I Don't Care, I Love It plays in the background. In the email message he wrote: "What a trip, what a crew!" Stewart Rahr was the owner of pharmaceutical and generics wholesaler Kinray, which was the largest[1] privately owned pharmaceutical distributor in the world. Kinray was bought out by Cardinal Health in 2010.[2] Edited June 27, 2013 by White Wolf Running On Air 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flolfolil Posted June 27, 2013 who cares who he was screwing? i don't. also, 4 people doesn't count as an orgy... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eye_of_the_storm Posted June 27, 2013 (edited) Just shows he has no integrity/ virtue / maturity... the largest[1] privately owned pharmaceutical distributor in the worldDoesn't make you wonder?No doubt some involvement in policy / lobby groups etc...They can freely distribute their toxic waste... 4 billion a year in phrama advertising...Many horrendous side effects...But ahhh... no God given plants etc allowed //Strange is all...World is upside down Edited June 27, 2013 by White Wolf Running On Air Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flolfolil Posted June 27, 2013 (edited) Just shows he has no integrity/ virtue / maturity Let's try this: If you just got out of a bad marriage, what would be the first thing on your mind? Sex with another woman, right? Then suppose that 3 women then wanted to sleep with you, you would sleep with them, right? What guy here that isn't celibate would HONESTLY turn down a foursome? Does being a successful businessman somehow make you a pure enlightened being? Hell no! He is just human, and is doing what humans do. Why you need to pick apart his core humanity when there are plenty of -actually- unjust things that he is doing is far, FAR beyond the scope of my understanding. At the risk of sounding immature myself, i see the need to belittle people for being people as being a lack of maturity. Edited June 28, 2013 by Flolfolil 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flolfolil Posted June 27, 2013 it is just like talking about retarded lizard people when they are obviously poisoning the food pointless and it makes you look really silly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Songtsan Posted June 27, 2013 its funny you guys are talking about 4-ways..I am writing a porn story right now about a 4-way lol 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flolfolil Posted June 27, 2013 I am writing a porn story right now i am too! kinda....by putting nonsexual video clips together in the right ways.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Songtsan Posted June 28, 2013 i am too! kinda....by putting nonsexual video clips together in the right ways.... that sounds neat! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eye_of_the_storm Posted June 28, 2013 (edited) Let's try this: If you just got out of a bad marriage, what would be the first thing on your mind? Sex with another woman, right? Then suppose that 3 women then wanted to sleep with you, you would sleep with them, right? What guy here that isn't celibate would HONESTLY turn down a foursome? Does being a successful businessman somehow make you a pure enlightened being? Hell no! He is just human, and is doing what humans do. Why you need to pick apart his core humanity when there are plenty of -actually- unjust things that he is doing is far, FAR beyond the scope of my understanding. At the risk of sounding immature myself, i see the need to belittle people for being people as being a lack of maturity. Playboy billionaire Stewart Rahr celebrates divorce by sending sex tape to mates ( I just find that kind of neurotic) Read more: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/playboy-billionaire-stewart-rahr-celebrates-divorce-by-sending-sex-tape- to-mates/story-fnet09p2-1226670769107#ixzz2XVG56gdH I am trying to say... This guy is at the top of the "health industry" ... and I guess has some role in the suppression of entheogens // just as other corps had a hand in the suppression of HEMP/ MJ etc... the reason for that suppression was simply due to it being an economic threat... threat to their control/ power... entheogens being much more likely to free humanity... physically / mentally / spiritually from the darkness of this world... Speculation for the most part... I found it ironic is all... as much of it is... Warfare... etc millions killed... initiated by our governments/ corps ... and they are dictating to us what is safe etc... haha Having 0 morality themselves... only reason being to keep the serfs in check. More or less taking instruction from the devil in what is right or wrong... // it is just like talking about retarded lizard people when they are obviously poisoning the food pointless and it makes you look really silly. I agree ^ It helps to know who is poisoning the food though // sometimes you can't come straight out and say who it is however... and for all we know... you'd be hard pressed to call these beings human..considering their actions. Problem is the "gov" + corps/ banks are so intertwined... I don't see much change coming from within that system... Without tremendous public pressure... Take note of the 2 + 3rd down... "Department of Justice" positions... @_@ // It is like the fiat money... it has no value... other than the value people perceive it to have / same goes for their power overall... People just need to withdraw consent... hahaha hmm Edited June 28, 2013 by White Wolf Running On Air 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eye_of_the_storm Posted June 28, 2013 (edited) / Edited June 28, 2013 by White Wolf Running On Air Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Songtsan Posted June 28, 2013 stuff basically Satan is in charge of the Abrahamic religions and God is in charge of the Eastern religions...nifty war, right? Slaves vs. masters, pawns vs. pawnbrokers...we should all create Buddha viruses to corrupt the corrupters..like, Shakti? perhaps... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eye_of_the_storm Posted June 28, 2013 (edited) basically Satan is in charge of the Abrahamic religions and God is in charge of the Eastern religions...nifty war, right? Slaves vs. masters, pawns vs. pawnbrokers...we should all create Buddha viruses to corrupt the corrupters..like, Shakti? perhaps... Some say the Abrahamic religions are an expression of "Archonic" alien inorganic beings (some may call them "fallen angels"/ or perhaps parasitic astral entities *shrugs*)... who basically turn the world upside down / anti human... create slave ideologies / systems / debt slavery etc ... chaos / fear / terror.... The "War on TERRA (Earth)" Suppress human spirit + natural human expression / cultures By taking away entheogens...which humans globally have used for 10000s of years... keys to infinity... they keep us collectively in this box... / opening to greater reality and totally shattering the programming / program / matrix Edited June 28, 2013 by White Wolf Running On Air 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Songtsan Posted June 28, 2013 Cigarettes + alcohol = more slaves to fodder....entheogens = people live longer, are happier and consume less...must keep the wheel grinding to produce more control for the topsters. Control=power=money=mansions=oilfields=boxofficehits=entertainment for the masses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flolfolil Posted June 28, 2013 you don't get to decide what is and isn't human. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eye_of_the_storm Posted June 28, 2013 (edited) you don't get to decide what I get to decide is and isn't human...for me... empathy is one fundamental quality of being humanPsychopaths don't make the cut...Some even refer to them as intraspecies predatorsI think looks can be deceiving though... is terms of what is and isn't... using human vessel.Nothing more than speculation / thinking out loud.If you a killing entire populations of people...poisoning food / water / air...Creating war east to west.... Chaos / Confusion..etc... for me I wouldn't call them human...What you call them is up to you. Edited June 28, 2013 by White Wolf Running On Air Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flolfolil Posted June 28, 2013 you only say they lack empathy because you lack empathy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
konchog uma Posted June 28, 2013 This conversation is absurd. And there's no evidence that entheogens cause ppl to live longer. According to shamans I have talked to some are toxic like datura and some are very difficult to seperate from toxins, like woodrose. I'm not advocating anti-entheogen policy, but there's a lot more to the situation than just decriminalizing them. I have never heard of a society which used entheogens openly, they have always been restricted and controlled to an extent. With the lack of shamanically trained people inwestern culture, and the proliferation of self-centered indulgent lifestyles, and the general endemic disconnect from nature, I think its dangerous to decriminalize powerful plants at this point. Sad to say, but I believe people lack the inherent respect for nature necessary to use those plants without destructive effect. Since they can cut to the root of neurosis and generate insight, two dangerous things from a control-freak government POV, Its hard to imagine a radical policy change in the near future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eye_of_the_storm Posted June 30, 2013 you only say they lack empathy because you lack empathy. good one... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Songtsan Posted June 30, 2013 This conversation is absurd. And there's no evidence that entheogens cause ppl to live longer. According to shamans I have talked to some are toxic like datura and some are very difficult to seperate from toxins, like woodrose. I'm not advocating anti-entheogen policy, but there's a lot more to the situation than just decriminalizing them. I have never heard of a society which used entheogens openly, they have always been restricted and controlled to an extent. With the lack of shamanically trained people inwestern culture, and the proliferation of self-centered indulgent lifestyles, and the general endemic disconnect from nature, I think its dangerous to decriminalize powerful plants at this point. Sad to say, but I believe people lack the inherent respect for nature necessary to use those plants without destructive effect. Since they can cut to the root of neurosis and generate insight, two dangerous things from a control-freak government POV, Its hard to imagine a radical policy change in the near future. My opinion is based on this: People who use entheogens are far more likely to be healthier in mind on average, because entheogens have, in my opinion, the ability to show one oneself...and the plant teachers often times teach us how horrible we have been to ourselves (health-wise), and this usually precludes people from continuing unhealthy behaviors, like smoking tobacco, drinking alcohol every day of their lives. This is from my own personal experience and observations as well as seeing it manifest during various trips when people tried to drink alcohol and take entheogens at the same time. The entheogens basically made the person spit that nasty toxic stuff out. Alcohol is far more toxic and lethal at any dose compared to most entheogens. I have about a masters degree in entheogen use. Take it from one who knows from experience vs. book knowledge. You can read all the scientists reports you want, but most of the dem dont know jack shit about entheogens. No intense offended. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
konchog uma Posted June 30, 2013 First, if you have a masters show me the science which correlates entheogens and longevity. Opinions don't interest me, people concoct all kinds of opinions to justify their self indulgence and reckless behavior. Second, when it comes to toxicity, you can't make statements about all entheogens bc they differ widely. What is your degree? From where? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Songtsan Posted June 30, 2013 personal experience and research of course - as far as I know they dont actually offer a masters degree in entheogens...I just know what I know. More people have died from alcohol and tobacco use than all entheogens combined - I don't even need to look this up, I know it for certain. Lets just agree to disagree - I dont come to this board to get involved in fruitless arguments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
konchog uma Posted June 30, 2013 That's all well and good but just because you've tripped a lot doesn't make your personal opinions worth anything. Not an insult, but supported by statements like "enthrogens make ppl live longer" and other blanket statements about all entheogens. Unfortunately, but inevitably, many impressionable and ignorant ppl read this forum to gain knowledge of such things so i encourage you to be more factual and careful with your words. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eye_of_the_storm Posted June 30, 2013 There are accounts of Aya curing cancer... + many reported cases of etheogens breaking addictions to hard drugs+ cures for depression and other psychological / spiritual dis-eases.All this would add to longevity / overall well being.+ greater understanding / connection with Nature / greater realities ...Symbiotic relationship 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
