Just so everybody knows...

[三江源]

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[narveen]

Though folks often look to see if an author is "credible"

that determination itself is made on criterion other than if the views put forth are sound.

If one cant judge for themselves the quality of what they read they should not read.

 

maybe we are arguing about nothing as there is neither book nor author to review and evaluate.

if you are talking about a book on engineering written by the unabomber, his personal life has no bearing on the book.

but if the book is on fiduciary duty and responsibility written by bernie madoff, only God would be in the position to judge for himself the quality of what he reads.

[Stosh]

Thats fine cat , you dont have to , but they may know what they are talking about anyway.

If their understanding is from the testimony of many, than it could carry even more appropriate

consideration to your individual chances of success than if you were just to copy them as an individual.

Testimony that it worked for your tipster can also be suspect because even they may not know why their diet worked,

( they just think they do), especially when it comes down to things so complex.

As in "Im skinny , you should eat green beans."

[Stosh]

maybe we are arguing about nothing as there is neither book nor author to review and evaluate.

if you are talking about a book on engineering written by the unabomber, his personal life has no bearing on the book.

but if the book is on fiduciary duty and responsibility written by bernie madoff, only God would be in the position to judge for himself the quality of what he reads.

Ok yes, and therefore you have no reason to read it , its just subjective opinion , no better or worse, necessarily ,than your own.

Edited July 5, 2013 by Stosh

[narveen]

Ok yes, and therefore you have no reason to read it , its just subjective opinion , no better or worse, necessarily ,than your own.

 

please note, we are not passing judgment on our budding writer.

we have been invited to argue with brutal honesty to assist in the writing of the book.

[Stosh]

Ok if you can hold it to that , the Ol' " undermining the character of the witness, because one cant undermine the validity of the testimony" ploy, is known far and wide.

And even a cursory examination of that, should suffice to decry its value. Might as well flip a coin, IMO.

[Flolfolil]

Great idea!

 

I'm very interested in your own stories. How did you grow up? How was it like in schools? How did your parents treat you? How did your siblings fight? How did you end up in prison? How was life like in prison for five years? How did you get into spiritual path?

 

It'll be an interesting read.

Yeah i wanna see him type out his whole life story, it will give me a good idea if i want to read the rest

[Ish]

Yeah i wanna see him type out his whole life story, it will give me a good idea if i want to read the rest

 

Same, anyone can regurgitate or make up stuff based on the thousands of books that are already out there.

 

Personal experience and achievement are what interest me.

[三江源]

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[hydrogen]

If you are speaking of diet tips collated by a fat editor, then you are shifting away from author to editor/collator ... I'm sure there are heaps and heaps and yet more writhing heaps of people who dont walk their talk but who collate the wisdom of others for public consumption.

 

I'd rather take diet tips from someone clearly fully inhabiting what they speak.

 

ie a person of integrity.

 

Same here.

 

I won't buy a grow hair over night portion from a bald guy, no matter how convincing the guy telling me that he likes the bald look on himself.

[rene]

 

Ish, on 05 Jul 2013 - 04:34, said:

What is the aim or result of the cultivation that you present?

 

 

Great power, great knowledge, great health, great longevity, great bliss, great shakti, great speed, great gongfu skills, great spontaneous movements skills, great wuwei, great dantien elixir field, great great stuff

 

 

One who knows he is enough - has already 'great'.

 

 

Best of luck with your book!

 

warm regards

[Stosh]

If you are speaking of diet tips collated by a fat editor, then you are shifting away from author to editor/collator ... I'm sure there are heaps and heaps and yet more writhing heaps of people who dont walk their talk but who collate the wisdom of others for public consumption.

 

I'd rather take diet tips from someone clearly fully inhabiting what they speak.

 

ie a person of integrity.

You dont know , based on what they weigh whether the people have the integrity that you expect them to have.

I know my cat likes to eat IAMS cat food ,, I am not a cat. My integrity is not discernable if you expect me to be a cat in order to speak from my understanding with integrity.

 

in·teg·ri·ty (n-tgr-t)

n.

1. Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code.

2. The state of being unimpaired; soundness.

3. The quality or condition of being whole or undivided; completeness.

Going by that randomly selected definition,

1) The fat dietitian hasnt broken any strict moral or ethical code that you know of.

2)The soundness of the thing that was related, is also not here suspect, since you are looking at only the fatness of the dietician.

3) on count number three you gain some ground , because there is reasonable evidence to say that the dietitian is divided about the behavior that is appropriate.

 

But you still dont know if the data related was sound or not- depending on the divided or undivided opinions of the fat dietitian.

A dietitian could give a pro athelete advice on health and yet not be a pro athlete, they could tell diabetic folks about low carb diets yet not be diabetic.

As for collating the wisdom of others , yes folks do that , but it doesnt change the validity of that which they collated.

I say "George Washington was the first president of the United States", I wasnt alive then. I have passed on to another, that factoid. Its still true.

 

Looking for this integrity is looking for a rigidity in behavior , that is all.

I know some Christians who have a lot of integrity regarding their religion , and they are still wrong about a good many things.

 

One, who only eats junk food , is thin as a rail , are you going to look to him for dieting advice ? and if you think not ,, then you already think you know what the right things to do are, and you prefer to operate according to the understanding of the topic which you already have ( I cant say I blame you for that - it is first rate thinking)

 

Like I already said , you can use whatever thing you want to determine whether you take advice or not, but if you are looking at criteria that are other than the quality of the data you are offered ,that is the second rate judgemental process, IMO.

[Stosh]

Same here.

 

I won't buy a grow hair over night portion from a bald guy, no matter how convincing the guy telling me that he likes the bald look on himself.

Do I really need to point out ,,

 

1) You shouldnt buy "grow hair overnight" potion from folks who have a full head of hair either !

 

2) Would you rather buy a car from a used car salesman, or a little old lady from pasadena?

[Songtsan]

Has your "instruction manual for living" been proven effective? Have you tried the "manual" on yourself? If you have, have it been working for you?

 

It's complicated, but yes. I learn from the best, including you guys. Don't worry - this isn't a case of "those who can't do, teach." I am just organizing a lifetime's worth of learning into something that will come from my very own soul. It also comes from a lifetime of breaking down and starting over again. I have re-started over and climbed back up so many times that I know what works well. It will be good.

[Songtsan]

in another thread, silas said that the buddha's conduct was as materially significant as his teaching. since you are writing a book on cultivating stuff, your conduct would have impact on the credibility of your hypothesis.

 

hydrogen asked important questions about your jailbird experience. why don't you answer those questions and argue with us about the connection between you and your book?

 

what would everyone like to know? I am an open book. I am simply not going to be writing this into my book, as my book isn't going to be about me directly.

[Songtsan]

Though folks often look to see if an author is "credible"

that determination itself is made on criterion other than if the views put forth are sound.

If one cant judge for themselves the quality of what they read they should not read.

 

FYI, anyone here can have my book for free when it comes out...I will release as an E-book, maybe even at a name-your-own-price after you have read it deal...so don't worry about how good it will be - it's going to happen, you will be able to criticize it when its done and I can always put out new updated versions...just help me refine my ideas as I present them here and you will assured all the input you can desire, and with my utmost gratitude. I am an arrogant bastard I know, but I need to keep my confidence if this is going to turn out well. People listen to confident authors more than they do wishy washy ones.

[Songtsan]

I dont follow diet tips from fat people.

 

I can send you a picture of my six pack lol

[Songtsan]

maybe we are arguing about nothing as there is neither book nor author to review and evaluate.

if you are talking about a book on engineering written by the unabomber, his personal life has no bearing on the book.

but if the book is on fiduciary duty and responsibility written by bernie madoff, only God would be in the position to judge for himself the quality of what he reads.

 

The unabomber was actually pretty damn smart too.

[三江源]

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Edited July 25, 2014 by cat

[Songtsan]

Thats fine cat , you dont have to , but they may know what they are talking about anyway.

If their understanding is from the testimony of many, than it could carry even more appropriate

consideration to your individual chances of success than if you were just to copy them as an individual.

Testimony that it worked for your tipster can also be suspect because even they may not know why their diet worked,

( they just think they do), especially when it comes down to things so complex.

As in "Im skinny , you should eat green beans."

 

I worked in the personal training industry for years, had practically the best certifications and degrees you could get, was in the top 1% of knowledge based levels, and what I found was that some of the best trainers were some of those who werent in the best shape, but had the most approachable personalities, whereas some of the worst trainers were the superfit ones who thought because they had it all, that they knew what was best for everyone (generally they thought their own training regimen was best for everyone else). The skill of a good trainer is the ability to adapt a program design to each individual, based upon his/her natural predilections, genetics, etc. The best program you can design for someone is the one that they will do! Not the one that's best for you. My book will not be for everyone, because not everyone learns in the same way. One of the reasons I post so long half the time is that I am practicing different styles, as I already stated. Another is that sometimes you have to belabor the point in order to make it sink in. Y'all feel me?

[Songtsan]

Ok yes, and therefore you have no reason to read it , its just subjective opinion , no better or worse, necessarily ,than your own.

 

it's also what i like to call groupmind opinion...I am trying to gather the most fact based, proven to be useful information and present a combined synthesis in one book. The book will discuss everything from exercise, nutrition, psychology, neuroscience, spirituality, self-cultivation, and other things. It will incorporate teachings from most major religions/spiritualities. It is non-denominational.

[Songtsan]

Same, anyone can regurgitate or make up stuff based on the thousands of books that are already out there.

 

Personal experience and achievement are what interest me.

 

Short summary:

 

-On spiritual path from age of 7

-Associates degree liberal arts (studying mainly anthropology, psychology, biology, art, and computers)

-B.S. Exercise Prescription

-B.S. Community Health Education

-minors in psychology (needed only 6 more courses to get a B.S. in psych)

-equivalent of a minor in nutrition (taken graduate level nutrition courses - they simply didn't offer a minor in nutrition where I went, so it is assumed)

- Massage therapy 800-hour training at one of the countries top schools (east-West college Portland, OR)

-Worked in the top spa in Portland, OR for 1.5 years, was considered one of the top therapists in the spa (I gave the mayor of the city his massages - he always came to me)

-Massage skills focused on Deep Tissue, Trigger Point, Thai massage, myofascial technique, Ayurvedic modalities, and more.

-Owned my own massage practice

-Worked in the health & wellness industry for most of my life (4 different gyms, my own private business)

- Have read 1000s of books on all of the above subjects

-Was a technical writer, documentation support specialist - I have written books before

-Was told by more than one professional writers that my writing style was at a professional level

-Studied polarity therapy, Reiki, and other energy healing modalities, used to give Reiki attunements (I do not believe in Reiki anymore - haven't for years)

-Took a 200 hour Yoga teacher training course, taught yoga classes at the YMCA

-Took various Yoga classes for years (Iyengar, Ashtanga, Kundalini, Anusara, and many others)

-studied various martial arts systems (listed in another post somewhere on here)

-took dance for years (soul motion, hip-hop, Lindy hop, NIA, African dance, and a bunch of others)

-I do posture assessments, range of motions assessment, gait analysis, and I am an advanced exercise tester...meaning I am less of a personal trainer and more of an exercise scientist

-Was an avid cyclist and jogger

-Have designed and am still perfecting a complete bodyweight system of exercise (I need no gyms - I intend never to go to one again)

-I have an advanced knowledge of human anatomy & physiology and kinesiology...I used to know the muscular skeletal system better than most physicians do (I have since forgotten much factual info, but remember all that is necessary for teaching purposes)

 

enough of a resume? I could probably go on, but I don't think it's time worthy - I am not asking you to have me prove myself - just critique my analysis. Not critique me personally, as I am plenty good at doing that myself.

[Songtsan]

If you are speaking of diet tips collated by a fat editor, then you are shifting away from author to editor/collator ... I'm sure there are heaps and heaps and yet more writhing heaps of people who dont walk their talk but who collate the wisdom of others for public consumption.

 

I'd rather take diet tips from someone clearly fully inhabiting what they speak.

 

ie a person of integrity.

 

Sometimes the people with the most integrity are those who learned said integrity the hard way. You haven't walked my path, you don't know why i did what I did. Your condescending, judgmental attitude simply makes you look like a shark. I am not the only one who has noticed this by the way.

[Songtsan]

Integrity means Whole. complete, unimpeded, sound.

 

ie not fractured, not suffering cognitive dissonance, not schizid,not bi - polar, not in any way lacking or impaired.

 

The value of what I have to teach others is not based on my integrity - it is based upon what the combined wisdom of the world has taught me. My book isn't about me at all. It is about the systems of learning that have been taught for centuries.

 

At this point, you have been such a negative person to me here, that I have decided to not read, and block if I am able to, your posts from this point on. Please know that I also judge your integrity as well - I consider you a pretender and a person with a shallow heart. I don't like you, you don't like me, it's best if we simply stay away from eachother, unless you are seeking to add negativity to your life? Please do not harass me further.

Edited July 5, 2013 by Songtsan

[Songtsan]

A little bit about me and my life:

 

My mother got married at a young age to a man who had various mental disorders (schizophrenia and maybe others). She left him soon after I was born because he was using all kinds of drugs and not working and moved back up to NY, where she lived on welfare because he wouldn't help support us at all. She later remarried a man who she didn't know was illiterate, and who molested me. I was embarrassed and didn't say anything. It was an unhappy marriage, and our family was extremely disfunctional. There was little love in our house and she had to work overtime for years because her husband was a layabout piece of shit who she found out later was stealing from her. Why did she stay married with him? That is a complex issue, and I would like to leave my relatives their privacy as much as possible. So basically I was left to grow myself up, I had no little to no parental supervision. By the time I was 14 I was staying out all night with hoodlums, sleeping under 18-wheeler trucks, breaking into boats at the marina, basically getting loco. We lived in one of the worst areas of the city, in one of the worst cities you can live in. I grew up as the only white person on just about any of the streets we lived on. In short I lived in 'the hood.' My friends were all inner city youth - black, latino, asian, turkish, etc. Every boy in those parts of the city was into crime...Every single one that I knew. I stole car steroes, bycycles, did home invasions, many times. I had no self-esteem because of sexual issues, including interest in other men. I did not make friends in school - I was a nerd, and an introvert, and my family was very poor, so I could not afford good clothes and we had very poor nutrition, so I was often undernourished, and extremely skinny and gawky. My self-esteem being so low, when I was given a chance to hang out with the cool neighborhood kids who were in gangs and who pulled licks (stole stuff), did tagging (graffiti painting), and petty vandalism, I accepted because I needed friends. It boosted my self-esteem to make me feel like I belonged. When I finally got caught selling stolen goods at the age of 16 I quit that for many years, although the urge was always there - it is a learned taste, and extremely thrilling and addictive (it produces a dopamine rush the likes of something like skydiving probably). I was a good boy in school and got good grades, as my IQ is about 145. I went to college and finally started making friends. Started doing drugs for the first time here. My heart finally started opening. Taking LSD more than a few times, I became extremely spiritual (something I had always been, but the door was wide open). After graduating from community college I moved to NM. I had many spiritual experiences here, and became an avid devotee of mindbodyspirit medicine. I worked at a holistic healing center, ran my own juice bar, and was able to meet many healer-types, who influenced me to become a healer myself. I eventually studied Reiki for starters. Had been reading many books by this time on healing arts and spirituality. Was initiated into Kriya yoga in Albuqerque, NM in 1997, and soon moved up to Portland, OR. Worked in warehouses, but was studying dance, martial arts, yoga, singing, meditation, etc. as well as doing spiritual drugs only - no ego drugs. Had a full blown Kundalini awakening in 1999...my story is online if you search [email protected] and kundalini you will find it on El Collie's site, letter #4. After the Kundalini episode, i was pretty abnormal, having delusions of grandeur...moved around the country with little to no money in my pocket, working odd jobs and shoplifting food as needed. Yes, I began stealing again. I was having delusional beliefs that the world was entirely an illusion and that i soon would become immortal and change bodies into a woman I got caught shoplifting in NY and had to stay there for over 2 years until probation was over. During this time I worked as Patient Service Rep and spent time talking to thousands of people over the phone about their health issues. I moved up in the company and became in charge of printing and disbursing patient educational material. I moved back to Portland in 2001 and attended college. I was a good boy and did no bad things for many years. In 2009 I was laid off due to the economy and was on unemployment. I had a terrible break up with a girl I was in love with that lasted months, she cheated on me, I hurt her, it was fucked up. It so messed with my head that I was driven into a crazed, nearly psychotic mania. I moved in with an old friend who had a younger daughter who was 22 whose boyfriend was a petty criminal. We co-encouraged eachother to do various hardcore ego drugs like crystal meth. Like I said I was out of my head. I didnt find out I had schizoaffective disorder, bipolar type until later. I bacme full blown manic during this time, and was officially classified as psychotic. This guy was a hip-hop skateboarding graffiti tagger, whose association took me back to my childhood days. He asked me if I wanted to go burglarize this coke dealers house and so I did. The thrill took hold of me and I was out again doing crime. I didn't care what I was doing, because I felt that life had failed me, that spirituality was all a lie. I was definitely in a dark night of the soul - again. After doing about 10 burglaries from upper income houses, I was caught in the act with another roommate. I willingly gave all the information about the hidden stuff I had stolen (about a quarter million in jewelry, rugs, electronics, etc.) Everyone received most of their stuff back for the most part. I am paying a small amount of restitution currently. Going to prison was an amazing teacher. Being in such close quarters with hundreds of people who had had messed up childhoods and mental illness was a real teaching tool. I read over 500 books on spirituality, meditation, etc, during this time. I formally adopted a Buddhist/Sufi/Tantrik/and other path, and took vows in my head not to steal, or do other bad things. I was also very depressed because they would not prescribe dopamine related medication in prison, because people would cheek it (hide it in med line) and take it to snort/sell. Dopamine is one of the chemicals my brain lacks, and is why I tend to be a thrill seeker. I have substandard levels of it. I was very suicidal during the whole time I was in prison. My self-esteem was the lowest it has ever been. I spent thousands of hours planning how to kill myself when I got out. I was planning on doing it just a few days after I released. In another post on the dark night of the soul I describe this in more detail. So here I am now, cannot get a job with my felony and mental illness - have applied hundreds of places, including Walmart and McDonalds. I finally gave up and decided to pursue my life's goal - write a book! I am doing well...I have about 100 pages so far..I am aiming for around 1000. I am putting all of myself and what I have learned into. I know why people do crime, I know why people fuck up. I know why people hurt, better than most people who haven't had to deal with life the way I did. I have been well before. During my time as a personal trainer I was thriving. I was involved in many relationships with very beautiful and talented women. I owned my own businesses, and had much respect in the healing community. My failure to understand my past, coupled with mental illness, drug use, and blind chance, caused me to wreck myself. I intend not to let it happen again. That is just about it.

Edited July 5, 2013 by Songtsan