Bias against New Age

[johndoe2012]

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Edited August 18, 2013 by chris d

[RongzomFan]

What is at stake here is the mind connecting to another mind directly. All the visualizations etc. are methods of doing this.

 

You may indeed be correct, but I've never really thought of it like that.

[Creation]

What is at stake here is the mind connecting to another mind directly. All the visualizations etc. are methods of doing this.

 

I think I may need to elaborate. When you go to a teacher of any kind, they can transmit knowledge to you in many ways. Through words, demonstrations, etc. Any particular method may or may not get the point across. One method is direct mind-to-mind communication. This isn't the most efficient way if the knowledge you are looking for is, say, how to fix your car, but if the subject pertains to the subtle levels of reality, this might be more effective, and at the very least accelerate your ability to understand.

 

In particular, if the knowledge you are seeking is knowledge of your real condition, and the teacher has this knowledge, the methods used like visualization the teacher above the head, blessings pouring down, mingling of the mindstreams, etc. are trying to facilitate this kind of psychic contact.

 

I'm no expert on Vajrayana, and I'm not trying to give teachings to anyone here, but to my way of thinking this is just as plain as day.

Edited August 8, 2013 by Creation

[Jeff]

 

I think I may need to elaborate. When you go to a teacher of any kind, they can transmit knowledge to you in many ways. Through words, demonstrations, etc. Any particular method may or may not get the point across. One method is direct mind-to-mind communication. This isn't the most efficient way if the knowledge you are looking for is, say, how to fix your car, but if the subject pertains to the subtle levels of reality, this might be more effective, and at the very least accelerate your ability to understand.

 

In particular, if the knowledge you are seeking is knowledge of your real condition, and the teacher has this knowledge, the methods used like visualization the teacher above the head, blessings pouring down, mingling of the mindstreams, etc. are trying to facilitate this kind of psychic contact.

 

I'm no expert on Vajrayana, and I'm not trying to give teachings to anyone here, but to my way of thinking this is just as plain as day.

Mind to mind and then it is possible to go deeper still... Heart to heart (or light to light).

[skydog]

Keeping heart open

I must edit post.

I like my heart open

SO I change what I wrote

Not really sure what I should change it to though

It is difficult to read.

 

I like shamanism.

Edited August 10, 2013 by skydog

[Creation]

Creation, do you happen to know what location in the body the mind-to-mind "transmission" is issued from?

I imagine it depends on the transmission. It could also be from no location in the body. As for any particular Vajrayana transmission, I don't know.

[SonOfTheGods]

Once something makes progress, someone exploits it to make financial gain.

 

Then it gets taken to other levels, to make it appear new, different, to repackage it and resell it again.

 

A good amount of the populace need to be held by the hand by some type of leader, and because they have been conditioned to feel worthless, will adopt someone, anyone, who stands up.

 

Naivety is a rich source to exploit for financial gain.

 

Religion has done this for so long, so now, other avenues were created.

 

Gurus, swamis,, etc, and selling kundalini, shaktipat, 56 flavours of Baskins & Robbins yoga and pretty shiny crystals with incence and tamborines.

 

Sufi P.T. Barnum said it best.

[ronko]

I call it house wife spirituality and I have met a lot of women into this shite.

Doreen virtue ..thats really your name ?????

Diana cooper , there is an abundance of these people out there just milking people for all they are worth ,

angel cards , tarot cards , archangel spray essence , crystals ,

arghhhhhh....

Visualise the violet flame around you for protection and see the archangel "insert chosen archangel here"

he is sorting out all your earthly problems , mmmm, now buy my new book about 2012 ,oh wait ,

2012 has passed , damm , ermmmm , k , the new ascension date is , errr , something coming up so I can write another book about it and hell , maybe take you on a tour of the earth vortex the ascension will take place at for a silly amount of cash.

 

My ex was actually into all this shit and can you believe Diana cooper advertised for artists to do free artwork for her site ,

my ex submitted her work and was accepted but the scam was ,

get all these women to donate free artwork so she could get out of paying for any original art and they in turn ,

would have the "honour" of having there work on her site.

Scamming little cunt.

All the while she was offering a trip to the pyramids with her for so many grand.

urghhhhhhh.

I hate this type of spiritual exploitation with all my heart.

[Captain Mar-Vell]

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No one likes spiritual exploitation of any kind from any source.

 

Nor does anyone like to see so much spiritual materialism, by which I largely mean the misappropriation of the spiritual sciences for egoistic purposes in the material plane.

 

I call it house wife spirituality.

 

I was a househusband for ten years.

 

I was kicked out and am now being divorced.

 

Que sera, sera.

 

The New Age is Begun.

 

Herald's gotta herald.

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[ronko]

Ahh ,

speaking of spiritual materialism ,

is it just me or is 90% of all this shite from the U.S based on wealth accumulation ?

How could it all go so so wrong.

Edited February 14, 2014 by ronko

[chegg]

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Edited March 14, 2015 by chegg

[ronko]

Thats a strange point of view mate.

But I would go with other .

How cool would it be if people stopped making millions for these cock suckers ,

stopped listening to the law of attraction shite , stopped visualising the violet flame and arch angel who ever

and actually put some work in to generate real energy with intent and power.

Ah one can only dream.

 

How cool would it be if these people who constantly hop from the alinging the cha-ka-raaas workshop

to the how to ascend in 7 days workshop realised , dammmmm ,

I just need to put some serious gong fu in and maybe , just maybe Ill get somewhere,

maybe if i stop going to that tantra class with all the middle class beautiful people

and actually conserve and transmute my energy then I might get somewhere.

 

If we could all just taste the tiniest fragment of truth we could see so clearly the lies and deceit laid out

before us on this multi million dollar path to enlightenment.

 

But , looking at it one way , least we know these frauds and spiritual sharks will indeed have to face the consequences of there actions of the blatant soul stealing one day.

Ahh happy happy.

Edited February 13, 2014 by ronko

[chegg]

Thats a strange point of view mate.

But I would go with other ,

its took me a Long time to realise that this is true , its not some bullshit spouted by beardy weirdys .

 

How cool would it be if people stopped making millions for these cock suckers ,

stopped listening to the law of attraction shite , stopped visualising the violet flame and arch angel who ever

and actually put some work in to generate real energy with intent and power.

Ah one can only dream.

 

 

I don't think its too strange. I believe that you are made in God's image. That means that you as a father would feel exactly the same way as God the father would feel.

 

Anyway, I understand what you are saying.

 

 

Bless you ronko

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Edited February 13, 2014 by chegg

[ronko]

Bless you too mate :-)

 

I hope your version of gods image isnt some catalog kid with chiseled features !

haha

No wait , thats the new age version ,

with every year he gets younger and younger

and his six pack seems to be developing at an alarming rate ,

not to mention the goddess , she went from sacred to looking like something from a reality tv show !

Edited February 14, 2014 by ronko

[Captain Mar-Vell]

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How cool would it be if people stopped making millions for these cock suckers ,
stopped listening to the law of attraction shite , stopped visualising the violet flame and arch angel who ever
and actually put some work in to generate real energy with intent and power.

 

Breathe deeply and think calm thoughts.

 

My only question is, if we generate real energy with intent and power, to what end is this directed?

 

What exactly are you suggesting?

 

I ask this in all humility and with respect.

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[ronko]

True intent as in linking to the higher levels.

So simple yet so misunderstood.

 

Its cool though cause if we aint being proper we aint getting to those levels :-)

So there is some justice in the multi dimensional universe after all :-)

[silent thunder]

I don't feel the need to rely solely on the insight of mostly men from thousands of years ago.

That doesn't mean I don't listen to/refer to classics and make use of what works.

Just like I don't discount going outside and using my senses in the present moment to make progress on my path.

 

Bias cuts you out of access points in the present moment.

[Nungali]

IMO 'New Age' stuff seems the bastard child of Hermetics bought up by hippy parents.

[chegg]

IMO 'New Age' stuff seems the bastard child of Hermetics bought up by hippy parents.

 

 

I read in a few places that Castaneda was regarded by many as "The Father of the New Age Movement"

 

It seems that others have suggested he borrowed 'his' teachings from other sources and fooled many people. Here is a possible list of the many books he got his material from......

 

(re-posted link)

http://sustainedreaction.yuku.com/topic/6006/Index-To-Castaneda-Sources?page=1

 

 

 

Blessings of following a 'True' Path

:wub: :wub: :wub: :wub:

Edited February 14, 2014 by chegg

[yabyum24]

I owe a lot to wooly new-agers and back-dated hippies. When I was a kid there was no alternative to the working class lifestyle which surrounded me and everyone I knew was unquestioningly signed up to it. You're at school only as long as necessary before you got a "proper" job. You find a girlfriend, get her pregnant, marry her, watch football and a few years (and marriages) later die of smoke, alcohol & lifestyle induced misuse.

 

That was it. But I always had a deep feeling that there had to be more to it than that. When I finally drifted into further education (the first in my family) it was an eye-opener. Here were young people (and lecturers) doing things, believing things and discussing stuff I'd never heard of and I wanted to know a lot more.

 

Nowadays 'alternative' is mainstream - everyone has heard of some kind of stuff, and there's the internet for the curious. Back then it was a mysterious door, opening on a whole new world. Rare books passed from hand-to-hand, small, informal groups meeting in flats.

 

So, no - give a new-ager a hug. They're courageous in their own way. The young ones get abuse from their trendy "clone" peers. The old ones just get scoffed at. I'd share my muesli bar with any of them, even if "$$alternative-plc.££" is a mass product and not what it used to be.

[Jetsun]

Everything was new age once, Buddhism, Christianity, Taoism.

[silent thunder]

Everything was new age once, Buddhism, Christianity, Taoism.

*deep bow*

[silent thunder]

I owe a lot to wooly new-agers and back-dated hippies. When I was a kid there was no alternative to the working class lifestyle which surrounded me and everyone I knew was unquestioningly signed up to it. You're at school only as long as necessary before you got a "proper" job. You find a girlfriend, get her pregnant, marry her, watch football and a few years (and marriages) later die of smoke, alcohol & lifestyle induced misuse.

 

That was it. But I always had a deep feeling that there had to be more to it than that. When I finally drifted into further education (the first in my family) it was an eye-opener. Here were young people (and lecturers) doing things, believing things and discussing stuff I'd never heard of and I wanted to know a lot more.

 

Nowadays 'alternative' is mainstream - everyone has heard of some kind of stuff, and there's the internet for the curious. Back then it was a mysterious door, opening on a whole new world. Rare books passed from hand-to-hand, small, informal groups meeting in flats.

 

So, no - give a new-ager a hug. They're courageous in their own way. The young ones get abuse from their trendy "clone" peers. The old ones just get scoffed at. I'd share my muesli bar with any of them, even if "$$alternative-plc.££" is a mass product and not what it used to be.

Yea, those wooly hipsters, opened doors in the west that may have lain shut for who knows how long.

[Nungali]

All traditions have had their stages and bad side ... with New Age its the combination of that side of things with a 'spirit of the age' ( economic rationalism and superficiality) that can make it extra pukey .

 

Law of Attraction was mentioned above ?

 

here ya go then :

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNO97wUlKUk

[chegg]

All traditions have had their stages and bad side ... with New Age its the combination of that side of things with a 'spirit of the age' ( economic rationalism and superficiality) that can make it extra pukey .

 

Law of Attraction was mentioned above ?

 

here ya go then :

 

 

 

@2:00

 

ROFL !

 

 

 

 

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Edited February 15, 2014 by chegg