Convince me not to go out to nightclubs and sleep around

[becomethepath]

Someone please convince my why going out to nightclubs is bad, also sleeping around with strangers/ mutual friends. Why avoid the night club/ bar scene and the alcohol, the people, etc.

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

Cuz I do not have any reason to engage in good or bad, I cannot be honest in my response, but as a personal stance:

Peace, tranquility, and quietude, by natural definition, are nearly a prerequisite for my hearing loss, as ideal conditions.

As a naturalist, and as a humanist, I am not comfortable with the presence of hearing aides that do not offer a solution, but a trade. My comfort is particularly conductive to my own conductivity and communication. a night club is pointless, for someone who likes to engage in conversation and deep, meaningful discussions with a person they can relate to.



My inability to relate to other human beings leaves me alienated or alienating. from my perspective of mutual benefit and natural harmony, civilians are the aliens...


So why would I want to engage in practices which are conductive to civility when they only serve to manipulate humility and agitate humanity?
From my perspective, it isn't humane...

Not wrong... but not healthy in constant or repetitive doses...
which is why neither I nor anyone else, can convince you.

Edited July 31, 2013 by Northern Avid Judo Ant

[Flolfolil]

nvm

Edited July 31, 2013 by Flolfolil

[Protector]

You shouldn't do that because THIS might happen

 

You're WELCOME!!!

 

*drops the mic*

[hod]

Someone please convince my why going out to nightclubs is bad, also sleeping around with strangers/ mutual friends. Why avoid the night club/ bar scene and the alcohol, the people, etc.

 

Who ever said it was bad in the first place. If you feel like doing it, then do it. Eventually you won't feel like doing it anymore, then you won't do it.

[Bubbles]

My take on it is that if someone can convince you not to do it, someone can also convince you to do it. You would be better off finding for yourself what is good for you. I suggest you have a deep deep look into cause and effect and see from there what you want for you.

[Apech]

Do it .... no don't.

[Marblehead]

Don't go to nightclubs. That's the best I can do and still be honest.

[BaguaKicksAss]

Uhm considering that you just started a thread asking if entities and bad energy can be transfered from one person to another via sex... I think perhaps going to nightclubs is not for you.

[xor]

You want people to convince you of many things. Why?

[三江源]

My take on it is that if someone can convince you not to do it, someone can also convince you to do it. You would be better off finding for yourself what is good for you. I suggest you have a deep deep look into cause and effect and see from there what you want for you.

This one.

 

Your passivity at this stage of your development is the issue that is making you feel you are vulnerable to invasion from entities etc.

 

You are clearly ambivalent. You need to choose. YOU must choose. You must weigh up situation for yourself. Not go farming out to others, what is actually your own responsibility. Convince yourself of what you want to do and why yo think you want to do it. Converse with your own self. This way you will get to know yourself.

 

ie become the path

 

not just ask others for directions

[Thunder_Gooch]

If this is your aim, better off getting a legal prostitute at least they are tested for STDs monthly.

You are putting yourself at serious risk for infection, which I guess if you don't care then it doesn't matter.

Someone please convince my why going out to nightclubs is bad, also sleeping around with strangers/ mutual friends. Why avoid the night club/ bar scene and the alcohol, the people, etc.

Edited July 31, 2013 by More_Pie_Guy

[Thunder_Gooch]

[RiverSnake]

Depends on the atmosphere/energy of the bar or club. I have gone to some seedy bars and I just felt sick and wanted to leave as soon as possible. I have had the same experience with parties I just couldn't handle it, I just had to stand outside most of the time. Though I do occasionally go out for a drink with friends, i make sure its a decent place and I limit myself to 1 drink. Everything in moderation.

 

My 2 cents, Peace

Edited July 31, 2013 by OldChi

[Esteam'd Punk]

Eeeek! Eminem.

I gotz his posters in the garage cause I ran out of space in my room.

[Esteam'd Punk]

... Everything in moderation...

I knew a dude who used to say that until his wife decided to sleep around. But moderately of course.

 

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Edited July 31, 2013 by Esteam'd Punk

[Stosh]

Appropriate to the Tbums , I would say that none of it is 'bad' per se.

there is no 'bad'. But ..

The ramifications of those decisions however may not be things you like.

They may 'negatively' influence folks around you too.

again that would be in terms of whether you want the consequences to be such.

 

The other side of the same coin is that feeding in to hedonistic impulse undermines

that perspective which may provide you with a more abiding satisfaction.

Its fuel on a fire which is dragging you into it (of your own free will!)

 

Which, my friend, presents to you- that which is, purely a judgement call

but I see it as central to Tao and Buddhism ,,, to ,not overdo things,

instead the call is to look for internal peace and more freedom from ones own motivational chains.

 

Frankly I dont give a crap whether you sleep around

Edited July 31, 2013 by Stosh

[i am]

Yeah you'll know. I used to go to bars late night (not trying to get laid, just hanging out with friends). Then it just sort if faded away. Stopped doing it. For a while, when I'd drive home from a friends house late on a week night and pass by one of the bars I used to hang out at, and see people outside smoking cigarettes....ick. I'd just get a dirty feeling, and be SO happy I was not there. I actually avoided that block for a while. Now I dont get the shivers when I go by anymore, but Im so happy that its not me in there, buzzed at 11pm on a week night, surrounded by people, many of whom are lost, misguided, and just dirty, energy-wise. Bad energy in there, and people with unhealthy intentions and attitudes. Yucky places.

 

On the other hand some bars and breweries that I still go to are pretty healthy places. A least before 10pm or so.

 

If you have any interest at all in cultivation, you'll eventually realize that the club scene, meat market, hooking up with strangers thing is NOT where you want to be.

 

Sex with friends? It can work if there's mutual love, respect and honesty involved, and probably be fairly healthy. But most of the time, that's not the case.

 

Drinking and staying out late? How you gonna get up early and practice? Sleep deprived and swimming with toxins? With some stranger in your bed?

 

I realize that on this site there are those who actually cultivate, and those who, like me when I was in college, just think Taoism is cool and love the seemingly mystical nature of it and are looking for peak experiences, but have no concept of what actually living it and practicing it means, and probably won't till they get older. There are all sorts of in betweens and variations but it tends to break down into those categories, it seems to me.

 

That's cool. But your question, or your request, I guess, clearly puts you in one of those categories.

 

When you find that you're actually ready to cultivate, not just think stuff is cool and be looking for crazy tripped out experiences, you won't need to ask people to convince you of things. You'll have a pretty good handle on things so basic as staying out late at clubs and sleeping around.

Edited July 31, 2013 by i am

[Flolfolil]

If this is your aim, better off getting a legal prostitute at least they are tested for STDs monthly.

 

You are putting yourself at serious risk for infection, which I guess if you don't care then it doesn't matter.

i was waiting for you to post in this thread. i just didn't think your response would be so.......um......helpful?

[Thunder_Gooch]

i was waiting for you to post in this thread. i just didn't think your response would be so.......um......helpful?

Well it's true man.

[thelerner]

If you have to ask in public then a big part of you has already decided against it and is looking for reasons to justify a decision already made.

 

Whatever reasons mentioned here are things you've already thought of. STD's, emptiness of the experience etc., We're not going to come up with anything ground breaking.

Edited August 1, 2013 by thelerner

[Jadespear]

Dude, clubs and drinking are fun...I dunno about the sleeping around thing though...you do know that HPV can give you genital warts....and that 1 out of 3 people have it? It may show no signs for years, and then one day...... you have warts on your balls......ouch. Yeah not going to be clubbing it up after that are ya? Not to mention all of the other venereal diseases which are much worse...did you not go to sex ed class in high school?...what was that multiplier thing...oh yeah...for every person you've had sex with, they most likely have had sex with at least one other person....so you basically have to double the number for yourself....so if you've had sex with say 4 girls...you've also exposed yourself to 4 guys....so thats 8 people. And to top it all off, those clubs are the places where the sleasiest people congregate. People can have diseases they don't even know about and give them to you just because they want to have sex one time because they're so "free and adventurous" and your there are drunk and ready to be convinced of anything... Dude. Come on man. Get a girlfriend.

[becomethepath]

Dude, clubs and drinking are fun...I dunno about the sleeping around thing though...you do know that HPV can give you genital warts....and that 1 out of 3 people have it? It may show no signs for years, and then one day...... you have warts on your balls......ouch. Yeah not going to be clubbing it up after that are ya? Not to mention all of the other venereal diseases which are much worse...did you not go to sex ed class in high school?...what was that multiplier thing...oh yeah...for every person you've had sex with, they most likely have had sex with at least one other person....so you basically have to double the number for yourself....so if you've had sex with say 4 girls...you've also exposed yourself to 4 guys....so thats 8 people. And to top it all off, those clubs are the places where the sleasiest people congregate. People can have diseases they don't even know about and give them to you just because they want to have sex one time because they're so "free and adventurous" and your there are drunk and ready to be convinced of anything... Dude. Come on man. Get a girlfriend.

you're right, i totally forgot about those nasty sex diseases out there. Thanks for the heads up

[Immortal4life]

Here's a more statistical chart, on the chances of getting an STD

http://markmanson.net/std-guide

 

Chances are, if you’re reading this, you’re scared by the idea of catching some sort of STD. Or at least you have been in the past. That night you got drunk and didn’t have a condom but went for it anyway. Or the guy you hooked up with who had a reputation for sleeping with every third girl in the phone book.

 

Perhaps you freaked out and rushed to get tested the next morning. Maybe you started Googling around frantically to convince yourself that you’re OK, only to find horrifying images and statistics about how people lost internal organs, limbs and never, ever had sex again because they were so hideously deformed by some pesky infection… Your mind begins racing, your liver DOES hurt you think to yourself. It must be an early onset of AIDS. Obviously…

 

The unfortunate thing about STD “education” is that it focuses on very specific information: symptoms, treatments, and every worst-case scenario. Any real world experiences or likelihood is absent. Down-to-earth guidance on how this information should affect your behavior is usually glossed over — telling you to abstain from having sex (yeah right) and to use a condom (even though it doesn’t prevent everything).

 

As a result, people start getting paranoid and some serious social stigmas develop.

What’s never discussed is the actual prevalence of STD’s, the realistic chance of catching these STD’s or what the experience of catching them would be like.

 

I still remember the night a girl I was dating told me that she had HPV. I felt like I was going to vomit. I immediately imagined that my cock had morphed into a giant tumor, shooting pellets of cancer into girl’s cervixes. Or the time one of my best friends told me over the phone that he had what appeared to be a herpes breakout. I nearly cried for the guy. Holy shit. What was he going to do? No woman would ever date him again.

 

But as I learned more, got tested more, spoke to more doctors and did more research, I realized that the truth is STD’s are more complicated than previously assumed, and that getting many of them would be a far more benign experience than I ever imagined. For instance, there are over 100 strains of HPV, and only four of them lead to most cervical cancers in women, and that’s assuming it’s left untreated for a period of years or decades, and THAT is assuming she hasn’t already been vaccinated, and then even if she does get cervical cancer it’s very unlikely to be fatal. So what I assumed was my cancer-laden pee-shooter in my pants, actually had something like a 1/100 x 1/100 x 1/2 x 1/100 chance of actually killing a girl.

 

The more I’ve learned about STD’s, the more I’ve encouraged people to relax a little bit about them. I know that sounds crazy, but seriously, relax about them. Wear a condom. Get tested periodically. Stay away from the people with crack habits. Do that, and you’re going to be fine. Seriously.

 

For instance, the chance that any particular person has syphilis in the United States is about 1 out of 10,000. The chance of

being struck by lightning in your lifetime is 1 out of 8,434, just to give you some perspective. And the difference is syphilis can be cured with a little penicillin, lightning can’t.

 

The reason most STD information is absolutely terrifying is because 1) terrifying information sells in the media and 2) religious nuts don’t want anybody to have fun.

 

We do a dismal job of sex education in our culture. And one product of ignorance is fear.

 

What I aim to do with this article is to break down the most common STD’s in the most realistic way possible. Statistics, symptoms and treatments are listed. Sources are included. But I’m also going to list a couple of other things that you won’t find anywhere else: 1) what the experience of actually contracting that STD would be like; and 2) how likely you are to catch each STD if you had rampant unprotected sex.

 

In fact, I’ve put together a statistic of my own for each STD: the RAW Score. The RAW Score is a rough estimation of the average amount of single Americans you would have to have unprotected vaginal sex with to contract that particular STD. For STD’s which are cured, I did this by taking the amount of reported cases per year, and then factoring it into the amount of single individuals in the US (approx. 98 million) to get a percentage of single individuals who contract said STD each year. For STD’s which are incurable, I simply take the percentage of the American population with that STD. I realize this method is ridiculous and flawed, but the numbers are so stark that it gets the point across nicely: you’re not likely to catch anything serious any time soon.

 

And finally, I will say this again and again: use fucking protection. Don’t be an idiot. Use protection, get tested regularly. And one more time, in case some people can’t read: USE PROTECTION, GET TESTED REGULARLY

 

Chlamydia

Living With It: Uncomfortable… especially when they stick a cotton swab up your peehole. Then you take some pills and it’s gone.
Curable: Yes (2-4 Weeks)
RAW Score: 37 Partners
Condom Protects: Yes

Chlamydia is a minor bacterial infection mostly transferred through intercourse. In men it’s uncomfortable and generally harmless. In women, there’s a very small chance that if untreated, it can cause some damage to her reproductive system.

Symptoms include it burning pee and your aching balls. Although 25% of men don’t experience symptoms. 70% of women will also not experience any symptoms, which actually makes it more dangerous for them (most doctors recommend women screen for chlamydia at least once a year).

Sources: 1, 2

 

Gonorrhea

Living With It: Painful. Hope for no pus. Then you take some pills and it’s gone.
Curable: Yes (within a month)
RAW Score 141 Partners
Condom Protects: Yes

Gonorrhea is Chlamydia’s big brother. In fact, the two often occur together. The difference is that gonorrhea can be transferred via any orifice: penis, vagina, anus, mouth. It often takes a few weeks for symptoms to show up, and it’s even more unpleasant to deal with.

The symptoms for gonorrhea include it hurting to piss, aching balls, swollen urethra, sore throat, and pus coming out of your genitals. Yes, that was pus coming out of your genitals.

Apparently there’s a new strain of gonorrhea which does not react to antibiotics. So this STD has made a bit of a comeback in terms of riskiness. Be careful.

Source: 1

 

Syphilis

Living With It: Itchy. Then 15 years later you go insane and kill yourself… (no, seriously.)
Curable: Yes
RAW Score About 10,000 Partners (no, that’s not a typo)
Condom Protects: No

The famous philosopher Nietzsche was a bit of a lush and had a fondness for prostitutes. Somewhere along the way, he contracted syphilis and his body began to wither from the inside out. Over the course of this torturous process, he famously proclaimed “God is dead” and slowly slipped into dementia and died.

Syphilis was the 19th century’s version of the AIDS epidemic. It was famously cured by Alexander Fleming in 1928 and it hasn’t been much of an issue since. Pretty much nobody gets syphilis anymore. In fact, in 2006, every reported case of syphilis in the United States came from only two cities (no, I don’t know which cities).

Syphilis plays itself out in stages. The first stage is you get bumps or breakouts, not dissimilar to herpes I imagine (forgive me for not looking up images.) This happens a few weeks after contracting the virus. From there, after a few months, you break out into rashes. These rashes go on for weeks or months and eventually subside. From there, the you have no symptoms. Then 15-20 years later your internal organs start bleeding, you lose control of your motor functions, and you start losing your mind.

So the moral of the story? Get tested sometime in the next 15 years. Oh, and don’t live in one of those two mystery cities.

Sources: 1

 

HPV (High-Risk Strains)

Living With It: A nuisance. A few years of awkward conversations. One painful operation for women.
Curable: No, but it typically leaves on its own after a few years. There is also a vaccine for women (get it!)
RAW Score: 50 Partners
Condom Protects: No

HPV is where things begin to get interesting. HPV is the latest STD freak-out in the media. If all you’ve heard is the few tidbits that get passed around, it sounds horrifying. Over 50% of the population gets it at some point, that it causes cancer, condoms don’t protect it, that warts are going to cover your face and you’re going to suffocate to death.

This is all true. OK, the warts on the face and suffocation part isn’t, but the rest is. But what’s more important is the information you DON’T hear. And here it is: there are over 100 strains of HPV. All except for about six of them are basically harmless. And all but two have no symptoms in men. Feeling a little better? Good, let’s keep going…

The two that cause symptoms in men cause genital warts. Warts sound terrible, but they’re completely harmless and can be removed within the matter of days with basic surgery (a few weeks to few months with a self-applicated chemical treatment). The other four high-risk strains can, if left untreated, lead to cervical cancer in women. New studies are also showing that oral sex with someone who has these strains can potentially lead to throat cancer down the road. But HPV throat cancer rates are still insanely low and the other rare type of cancers caused by HPV are insanely uncommon and almost never fatal.

The good news is that women are getting checked more and more for lesions on their cervix these days. Also, women who do get lesions can have a minor but painful procedure that prevents them from getting cervical cancer, so it’s nothing to freak out about. The HPV vaccine is being given to just about every girl under 26 in most states these days. And when you factor in that HPV usually leaves your body naturally after a few years (assuming you’re healthy) chances are this is going to be almost a non-issue 5-10 years from now.

If you’re sexually active, chances are you’ve already got at least one strain of HPV. But again, only six out of over 100 are considered high-risk, and you’re far less likely to have those. Unfortunately, most places are unable to test men for HPV. The only way you can know if you have it is if a girl you’re dating tells you, or if you happen to find a wart. Either way, it sucks, kind of ruins your week, causes a lot of awkward conversations… but you move on and everything ends up being fine.

Sources: 1, 2, 3

 

Genital Herpes

Living With It: There’s a good chance you already have it.
Curable: No, but who cares?
RAW Score: 5 Partners
Condoms Protect: No

So I have good news and bad news. The bad news is that a shit-ton of people have herpes (including probably myself). The good news is that the vast majority of people never show symptoms and don’t have enough for it to show up in their blood levels.

I have to admit, Herpes was the big one I was terrified of getting (the reason I’m not worried about HIV is below). Then I started researching it for this article and realized I probably already have it. And chances are you have it too!

See, there are two types of Herpes: HSV-1 and HSV-2. HSV-1 usually causes breakouts around the mouth — we just call them canker sores or fever blisters. Over 80% of the population has HSV-1 although at any given time almost none of us have a break out. HSV-2 causes breakouts around the genitals. The majority of people never get breakouts or get such minor breakouts that they don’t even realize that it’s herpes. My friend who has had a breakout said that he originally thought his was just a bug bite. It wasn’t until a second one showed up that he decided to get it checked out. It’s been over three years and he hasn’t had another breakout since. He’s also in a monogamous relationship and his girlfriend has never had a break out.

Herpes never goes away, but it’s harmless. In fact, even if you do get breakouts, most people stop getting them after a couple years. And if you’re one of the unlucky few who actually does get a bad break out, you can take medication to suppress them. So there. Not worried about herpes anymore… After all, I probably already have it, and so do many of you.

Sources: 1, 2, 3

 

HIV

Living With It: Expensive and stressful, but assuming you’re not African, you’ll live.
Curable: No
RAW Score: 300 Partners
Condoms Protect: Yes

HIV is no longer the death warrant it once was. Don’t get me wrong, contracting it would be awful and surely life-altering. But you would live. I just hope you have good health insurance. As of 2011 the life expectancy of someone who contracts HIV is 40 years from the day they contract it. When in doubt, just look at Magic Johnson.

There are some demographics which are far more likely to catch HIV than others, primarily gay men and drug users. 80% of all HIV cases come from gay man sex or dirty needles. When it comes to vaginal sex, it’s almost impossible for a man to catch it from a woman, while a woman can catch it from a man. But anal sex seems to be the big culprit here.

Also, I hate to say it, but HIV positive cases are predominantly lower income classes. African-Americans account disproportionately for 42% of all HIV cases in the US. The disease practically doesn’t exist in Western Europe at this point. And as of 2013, we’re getting some very early accounts of people possibly being cured of the disease.

The symptoms of HIV are flu-like symptoms a couple weeks after contracting it. From there your immune system slowly shuts down over the period of years. There are a lot of therapies and treatments available and most people who contract it are able to live functional, normal lives, assuming they get the proper medical care. So the news on the HIV front over the past few decades has actually been mostly good.

But still, wear a damn condom.

Sources: 1, 2

 

Pregnancy

Living With It: Completely and irreversibly life-changing
Curable: Uhh… err…
RAW Score 100 sexual encounters
Condom 85% effective

Over the years I’ve had dozens of people ask me about STD’s, many of them looking for information, but many of them simply looking for reassurance that they were not going to shrivel up and die. I always tell them that 1) they’re going to be fine; and 2) they should be far more worried about babies. Notice the 1 in 100 times. That’s not 100 partners, that’s 100 occurrences of unprotected intercourse. That’s MUCH more likely than anything else listed here with the exception of Herpes.

I can tell you, in all of my years working as a dating coach, with all of my sexual partners, with all of the crazy hedonistic people I partied with, I’ve only known one person who had a herpes break out, a few people with HPV, and one person who had Chlamydia. I’ve never met or even heard of anyone who got HIV. I’ve never met or heard of anyone who got cervical cancer. I’ve never met or heard of anyone who contracted gonorrhea or syphilis. But I can think of probaby a dozen people who have dealt with unwanted pregnancy or had a major pregnancy scare.

Do not fuck around with this.

As a woman, welcome to the growing population of single mothers. Everything is about to change. If you’re lucky, the guy will stick around and help. But if he doesn’t, good luck. Not only do single mothers juggle some of the hardest responsibilities in society, but children of single mothers often grow up to have the most behavioral and academic problems.

If you’re a man and you don’t want to be a deadbeat and run off, then you’re not in for an easy time by any means either. Prepare to cough up half of your paycheck for the next 18 years, even if she marries someone else, even if she becomes financially self-sufficient and you’re broke. You have to pay. The paternity laws in many states are still heavily balanced in favor of mothers and so visitation rights, not to mention custody rights, can be hell to go through. If for some reason you and the mother don’t exactly get along, prepare to hire a good lawyer.

And even if the woman decides to not keep it, welcome to the most gut-wrenching experience of your life. I’m lucky in that I’ve never had to deal with a legitimate pregnancy, but I know people who have — staunch, hardcore, liberal, don’t-give-a-fuck party-goers — and shit gets real, real fast. It’s easy to walk around and say, “I would do this or that,” but when it comes time to walk the walk, many people can’t stomach it. Or even if they can, they live with the guilt for the rest of their lives.

So if you don’t want to be a mommy or daddy, get contraception. If you don’t know or trust someone, use protection. If you’re sexually active, get tested regularly. Have open conversations with your sexual partners about this stuff: “Have you been tested? Are you on birth control?” Yes, it’s awkward. But yes, it’s always worth it.

 

Stay smart and stay safe.

Edited August 8, 2013 by Immortal4life