"Trip" Report

[Tomer]

Hello ladies and gentleman:)

 

So I have been retaining semen for around 40 days – expect of one release during sex a week ago! A mistake not to be repeated soon!

 

As well – No masturbation nor watching/reading ANY form of Porn/ Sexual content .

 

I feel healthy and regrets for not finding this method YEARS ago…The benefit is not only sexual/macular….

 

Lets start with the opposite sex:

 

I now date around 5-10 girls all together…but don’t sleep with any of them…

 

Mental:

Strong like never been before

 

Gym:

Much more power

 

Emotional:

Much more balance

 

Social and sense of humor and increased, sense of well being and concentration.

 

I would suggest that to all my friends.

 

Would like to hear your feedbacks and hear from people gaining benefits as well.

 

I know that this subject is controversial and some ppl may say that all benefits have a “placebo” effect or such, so what ever is your opinion if you don’t believe in this route or think it has negative or minor gains please do not reply.

 

I would like to hear from ppl who have gained positive things in their life and have benefited/transform their life from retention, its not that I am narrow minded or don’t want to hear about the other side of the coin/other arguments…I just prefer to hear the good things and not let criticism or doubts influence my development in any way (knowledge/psychological etc - lets dot that later!! ))

 

Thank you in advance!

 

Tom

Edited August 10, 2013 by Tomer

[voidisyinyang]

good start - focus on ionizing or burning the energy into electromagnetic force.

 

Empty the mind to do that.

 

Try small universe and standing exercises.

 

Also try going vegetarian.

 

But you would also want to avoid females.

 

But anyway at least you get health benefits with what you're doing - probably the best you would want unless you want a more radical change in life perceptions, etc.

[Tomer]

Ok will make it short.

 

Last night 1 hour sex no ejaculation - Amazing feeling of spirituality, natural "high" and a feeling of superiority and enlightenment....

 

12 hours later the "high" is still present - This is Tao energy my friends the essence of life the feeling of living!

 

Tom

[voidisyinyang]

Just one hour? I used to have sex all day long for five years! haha. Only no physical contact -- in full lotus. Burned out my jing energy but .... still ... experienced a lot of real love, kept my mind focused, cleared out emotional blockages, etc.

[Tomer]

Admin:

 

Is it please possible to move this post to the General Discusion area of the site?

 

I don't feel like this is analysis is suitable to be at the Taoist Disscusion.

 

Thanks in advance

 

Tom

[Green Tiger]

I now date around 5-10 girls all together…but don’t sleep with any of them…

 

 

Last night 1 hour sex no ejaculation - Amazing feeling of spirituality, natural "high" and a feeling of superiority and enlightenment....

 

12 hours later the "high" is still present - This is Tao energy my friends the essence of life the feeling of living!

 

Tom

 

*drops to knees and bows repeatedly* We're not worthy, we're not worthy! We're scum!

[Ish]

Tao energy ≠ feeling of superiority

[RiverSnake]

Lol, congrats Tomer, both on your ability to retain and also being able to juggle that many women. Ahhh, the wonders of youth!!! . This topic has been talked about a great deal on the forum. Here are two threads you may find handy:

 

http://thetaobums.com/topic/22912-semen-retention-100-days-and-my-experiences/

 

http://thetaobums.com/topic/26533-great-spiritual-physical-mental-benefits-from-semen-retention-celibacy-and-mental-emptiness-my-experience-and-thoughts/

 

 

My 2 cents, Peace

Edited August 22, 2013 by OldChi

[Tomer]

Hi Guys,

 

So let me give you an update......

 

 

Since the abode i have had a couple of problems in life, hence " rewarded" myself with ejaculation - Greatly regretted after !

 

 

During sex with 3-4 various girls, didn't practise Tantric but quickly came......Not good my friends.

 

Two weeks ago I said, enough is enough, so now my goal is until 1/01/2014 is to retain everything plus, no porn, no masturbation and during sex no cum.

 

Sorry for being so explicit, I am getting to a point.

 

I think that retention is not only a physical thing but also emotional, control, self esteem and courage to be different then the rest and challenge yourself against natural urges.

 

 

Nice weekend to all.

 

T

[Aetherous]

 

I now date around 5-10 girls all together…but don’t sleep with any of them…

I cracked up.

[Tomer]

 

 

*drops to knees and bows repeatedly* We're not worthy, we're not worthy! We're scum!

 

Why don't you retain for few weeks and then tell us how you feel.

 

I wasn't arrogant over you or anybody, i was referring to the girls and how suddenly, the battle of sexes has changed, and for once, me the guy, was ins control as I didn't want sex due to my retention.

 

This girls flipped and they found me more attractive as I was different than most men and my conversations where not only about getting them to bed - this put you in a stronger situation as you are not perceived as needy or chasing after her...

 

If you feel like scum or below me, you have a problem, not me.

 

 

Tao energy ≠ feeling of superiority

 

 

 

You are totally right - its about calmness and unity.

 

 

What I feel when retaining is being ALPHA all the time - at the supermarket, at work, on the bus, everywhere....

 

You feel strong and somehow everybody look weak.....Sorry for saying that.

Edited October 4, 2013 by Tomer

[juliank]

Why don't you retain for few weeks and then tell us how you feel.

 

I wasn't arrogant over you or anybody, i was referring to the girls and how suddenly, the battle of sexes has changed, and for once, me the guy, was ins control as I didn't want sex due to my retention.

 

This girls flipped and they found me more attractive as I was different than most men and my conversations where not only about getting them to bed - this put you in a stronger situation as you are not perceived as needy or chasing after her...

 

If you feel like scum or below me, you have a problem, not me.

 

 

 

 

 

You are totally right - its about calmness and unity.

 

 

What I feel when retaining is being ALPHA all the time - at the supermarket, at work, on the bus, everywhere....

 

You feel strong and somehow everybody look weak.....Sorry for saying that.

 

Tomer good on you for experiencing the first taste of retention.

 

However, I must say from your writings that you are still in "taste" mode. A full 8 course meal awaits you if you wish it.

It's not healthy to view other people as weak as that is just a mental projection that says more about your own internal perception of yourself than about others. Yes, its true that feeling more ALPHA is a byproduct of retention but its just that a BYPRODUCT, a skillful means but its not the goal. The goal if I may be so bold as to state one is absolute stillness, to move beyond the conditioned nature of the mind-body complex. But that's neither here nor there.

 

It sounds to me like you are still young and experiencing women if it's done with a level of detachment isn't so bad. Just make sure to observe yourself and your own ego's reaction to women, and also to make sure that if you do feel STRONG well then brother use that strength to lend a hand to those who are weaker instead of casting a cold eye towards your perceived view of lesser beings. Also, use that new found vitality to enlarge your own being and its spiritual capacity and not only as a means to BE MORE ATTRACTIVE TO CHICKS.

 

I don't mean to be harsh. I commend you on your path. Most never even reach this stage, I am sure much good will come of it as long as you observe yourself with detachment, wisdom and view these new found benefits moreso as a gift and less as something you own and hoard over others.

[Tomer]

Tomer good on you for experiencing the first taste of retention.

 

However, I must say from your writings that you are still in "taste" mode. A full 8 course meal awaits you if you wish it.

It's not healthy to view other people as weak as that is just a mental projection that says more about your own internal perception of yourself than about others. Yes, its true that feeling more ALPHA is a byproduct of retention but its just that a BYPRODUCT, a skillful means but its not the goal. The goal if I may be so bold as to state one is absolute stillness, to move beyond the conditioned nature of the mind-body complex. But that's neither here nor there.

 

It sounds to me like you are still young and experiencing women if it's done with a level of detachment isn't so bad. Just make sure to observe yourself and your own ego's reaction to women, and also to make sure that if you do feel STRONG well then brother use that strength to lend a hand to those who are weaker instead of casting a cold eye towards your perceived view of lesser beings. Also, use that new found vitality to enlarge your own being and its spiritual capacity and not only as a means to BE MORE ATTRACTIVE TO CHICKS.

 

I don't mean to be harsh. I commend you on your path. Most never even reach this stage, I am sure much good will come of it as long as you observe yourself with detachment, wisdom and view these new found benefits moreso as a gift and less as something you own and hoard over others.

 

 

First of all thank you for taking the time to craft an intelligent and well structured post.

 

I do take all ideas and wisdom from other people in order to continuously grow as a person - I use the " new profound" wisdom to grow my business, and I think that confidence is key to start a new venture and attract clients.

 

I am not young in the sense of age nor sexual experience ( I am 31), i just think that by preventing yourself of doing something, you can become much stronger.

 

How long have you been in the process, if?

[juliank]

I am currently on day 87 of my retention. I will draw up a long post when I reach 100 about my insights into the matter. I plan on posting the update on Old Chi's thread as his initial post and the subsequent posts solidified what had been a latent but unmanifested decision.

 

I agree that preventing yourself from doing certain things as well as engaging in new activities increases mental and physical strength. It's been a long held passion and interest of mine to understand how this is all works on a cellular level. If you are interested in getting stronger both physically and mentally (as an addendum to your retention) you might look into hormetism.

I follow many of the protocols outlined in this blog and it supercharges your retention as well as ameliorating many of the unwanted effects.

 

http://gettingstronger.org/hormesis/

[Tomer]

I am currently on day 87 of my retention. I will draw up a long post when I reach 100 about my insights into the matter. I plan on posting the update on Old Chi's thread as his initial post and the subsequent posts solidified what had been a latent but unmanifested decision.

 

I agree that preventing yourself from doing certain things as well as engaging in new activities increases mental and physical strength. It's been a long held passion and interest of mine to understand how this is all works on a cellular level. If you are interested in getting stronger both physically and mentally (as an addendum to your retention) you might look into hormetism.

I follow many of the protocols outlined in this blog and it supercharges your retention as well as ameliorating many of the unwanted effects.

 

http://gettingstronger.org/hormesis/

 

 

Thanks Julian,

 

I guess for me its back to day 0.

 

Just met an 18yo off a dating site...........3 hours later she is jumping on me in my bed.....Most men would be happy, but I am not.

 

My essential life force was emitted twice....Its crazy how depressed I got, brought me to tears actually....Casual sex is shit....That is my epiphany.

 

Maybe I am over exaggerating but, how can one retain if practising sex with many partners, or with a GF? Are you single? What is the take of Tao on sex, should u emit or not?

 

Can you still get strong by not masturbating but having lots of sex? Too many insecure questions, i know, but im still learning, 1 year ago i would feel "The Man" for having a quickie, but today is just empty phisical need, feel good don't get me wrong, especially when she is 18!!!

 

I guess it all part of the learning experience - But i will delete my account on the dating site - Lovvo - only casual sex - had around 15 girls..........If thats your things guys go for it..

 

Tak care

 

T

[SonOfTheGods]

The energy, as I am understanding here, from You--- is not Taoism `IMO

 

The only long term result I feel you will receive is prostate problems, if you continue in said fashion.

 

There are correct ways to do this, but you, are not.

 

Again just my opinion.

[voidisyinyang]

yep tomer celibacy is full of secrets. mind celibacy is first.

 

paul in bible taught that thinking is same as doing.

[Tomer]

The energy, as I am understanding here, from You--- is not Taoism `IMO

 

The only long term result I feel you will receive is prostate problems, if you continue in said fashion.

 

There are correct ways to do this, but you, are not.

 

Again just my opinion.

 

Care to elaborate and share your wisdom of the correct ways or suggestions?

 

Thanks

 

yep tomer celibacy is full of secrets. mind celibacy is first.

 

paul in bible taught that thinking is same as doing.

 

Much easier said then done!

[voidisyinyang]

Care to elaborate and share your wisdom of the correct ways or suggestions?

 

Thanks

 

 

Much easier said then done!

 

early church monks did the 40 days of fasting in the desert just like sufis do.

 

even jesus was tempted during that test.

 

study final part of taoist yoga alchemy and immortality book

 

i'm not saying jesus was a real person but that this training is archetypal.

[juliank]

Tomer,

 

Don't feel bad. You are human. It happens to all men. Remember you are attempting something that most men on this planet have never tried or think is crazy. Maintain awareness. Look into what conditions caused you to just let go if that's not what you actually wanted.

 

If you really wanted to emit well then fine. But if you didn't and you allowed her to control the frame well now you know for the next time. The spiritual process is not a path of perfection but one of incremental progress and hopefully at some point even the idea of progress is removed.

 

In reference to your question:

 

Can I have many sexual partners and still get the strength benefits that is bestowed by brahmacharya or retention ?

 

If you are ejaculating, no.

Even if you are retaining it's still unlikely but some may say its possible. I personally would beg to differ. However its certainly preferable to ejaculating with many partners. The reason as to why I think its not possible is that retention; that is the preservation of vital fluids is only one reason as to why you are feeling increased vitality. Much of it has to do with the mind. If you are servicing 4-5 females how can you concentrate and not become scatterbrained in relation to your spirituality not to mention daily life. Remember everything is energy. Every thought form is an energetic component. When you are scattering thousands of thought forms to 1,2,3,4,5....females ad infinitum vitality is not optimized.

 

However, if you are actually retaining and practicing Tantra or karezza with another female who is also spiritually cultivating then it can assist with your own cultivation. The trick is finding that female, and also learning the proper Tantric techniques from a guide, not some new-age charlatan or sexual deviant selling you a half baked protocol that he devised after a cursory reading of half a Mantak Chia book.

 

As fas as Son of the Gods comment, yes prostate problems can become an issue if you are doing retention for long periods over and over. There are exercises one can engage in to prevent such effects.

[Tomer]

Tomer,

 

Don't feel bad. You are human. It happens to all men. Remember you are attempting something that most men on this planet have never tried or think is crazy. Maintain awareness. Look into what conditions caused you to just let go if that's not what you actually wanted.

 

If you really wanted to emit well then fine. But if you didn't and you allowed her to control the frame well now you know for the next time. The spiritual process is not a path of perfection but one of incremental progress and hopefully at some point even the idea of progress is removed.

 

In reference to your question:

 

Can I have many sexual partners and still get the strength benefits that is bestowed by brahmacharya or retention ?

 

If you are ejaculating, no.

Even if you are retaining it's still unlikely but some may say its possible. I personally would beg to differ. However its certainly preferable to ejaculating with many partners. The reason as to why I think its not possible is that retention; that is the preservation of vital fluids is only one reason as to why you are feeling increased vitality. Much of it has to do with the mind. If you are servicing 4-5 females how can you concentrate and not become scatterbrained in relation to your spirituality not to mention daily life. Remember everything is energy. Every thought form is an energetic component. When you are scattering thousands of thought forms to 1,2,3,4,5....females ad infinitum vitality is not optimized.

 

However, if you are actually retaining and practicing Tantra or karezza with another female who is also spiritually cultivating then it can assist with your own cultivation. The trick is finding that female, and also learning the proper Tantric techniques from a guide, not some new-age charlatan or sexual deviant selling you a half baked protocol that he devised after a cursory reading of half a Mantak Chia book.

 

As fas as Son of the Gods comment, yes prostate problems can become an issue if you are doing retention for long periods over and over. There are exercises one can engage in to prevent such effects.

 

 

Thanks Julian,

 

You certainly know what you are talking about.

 

From now on I will not beat myself up for sharing energy with females - I think its natural, but I will seriously look into Tantric Sex and retention: Could you recommend proffesional and reliable books / sources?

 

You retain for 90 days - what next? emit and redo? How long can one go whist remaining healthy?

 

I have never managed to pass the 50 days mark as I'm sexually active - but you know what, last night was a good lesson for me, and I wrote my post whilst "down" on purpose.....

 

This is a journey for me, thereforeI deleted my online dating account and immediately dropped 5-7 girls I had on my phone and told them them goodbey no more !

 

So now I will look for the " One " - time to settle down I think.

 

I dont know if Tao Bums is the right forum for me to write these adventures, but I feel that via spiritual /physical retention "invented" by Taoist I have become more enlightened and connected to my instincts.

 

One more thing, I don't think its about ejaculating that made me feel bad, its the lack of emotional connection to these, sorry to say, bitches.

 

Good night,

 

T

 

 

" The spiritual process is not a path of perfection but one of incremental progress and hopefully at some point even the idea of progress is removed "

 

* Very nice, is this from a book / teacher or your own original tought?

Edited October 6, 2013 by Tomer

[juliank]

Mantak Chia is an author that deals with sexual practice so is Bruce Frantzis and Daniel Reid.

 

However, many men have followed some of the Mantak Chia methods and have hurt themselves. Sexual energetic practices as learned from a book is a very tricky proposition and one that I personally would not advise. You can certainly read some of these books and get a general sense and "atmosphere" of what they are talking about and apply that "awareness" mindfully in sexual practice but once you start getting into energy locks, breathing complexities etc things get dicey as learned from a book.

 

Yes, I agree with you that it's not simply the emission of fluid that is the issue its the conditions that surround it that has a massive effect on the psyche especially one that is spiritually sensitive. In my first relationship with a woman who I loved very much I certainly emitted and never felt any sense of guilt or had any traumatic scarring from it. At least none that I am aware of. We were together for a very long time and I still think of her fondly. Sure I was tired all the time and in a mental cloud haha but I just thought that was "normal".

 

You have crossed the rubicon my friend. Casual sex when you are trying to retain is not necessarily "wrong" but is energetically speaking unwise. I would advise for you to minimize and streamline your interactions with women, in fact not just with women, but with others in general even yourself. Sounds like you are already planning on doing that.

[voidisyinyang]

90 days is nothing. I can't remember the last time. i burn it off as qi energy -- still sucked up by females. haha. qi is what activates the vagus nerve connection to the cervix.

[Tomer]

Hey guys I'm Back!

 

Well, what crazy days I have been going trough.

 

Its now 16 (112 days) weeks since i have last ejaculated, watched porn, had sex or masterbated - The longest in my life!

 

I think that if i maintain this until the end of 2014 all go my objectives will be fulfilled - but I REALLY want to cum -like never before.

 

Silly question, but if one masterbate then consume the sperm will its still be retrained in the body or there won't be any effect?

 

And yes I feel and look like my avatar now - silver back all the way!!

 

Best Regards to all,

 

T

Edited March 2, 2014 by Tomer

[RiverSnake]

Hey guys I'm Back!

 

Well, what crazy days I have been going trough.

 

Its now 16 (112 days) weeks since i have last ejaculated, watched porn, had sex or masterbated - The longest in my life!

 

I think that if i maintain this until the end of 2014 all go my objectives will be fulfilled - but I REALLY want to cum -like never before.

 

Silly question, but if one masterbate then consume the sperm will its still be retrained in the body or there won't be any effect?

 

And yes I feel and look like my avatar now - silver back all the way!!

 

Best Regards to all,

 

T

 

You need to get an internal alchemical practice. Retaining shouldn't be frustrating and feeling like you have to hold back. It may begin like this....but it's important to go beyond this and simply dwell in the void or to say practice mental celibacy. Thus all of your energies are constantly being refined. Trust me, it's worth dedicating the time to an alchemical practice.

 

My 2 cents, Peace