if reincarnation is real do certain races require more

[mantis]

i've felt for some time now that from a reincarnation standpoint some races require a higher lottery ticket, if you will, than others. this can quickly fall into some kind of strange strain of racism but the basic idea is that some races require a higher karmic level of sorts to reincarnate into than others.

 

is this at all possible or feasible according to people who know more than i?

 

hmm...

[Wayfarer]

Although reincarnation is a viewpoint of many religions Karma is mainly Buddhist and Hindu (?). It is said that a Buddha is a person who in awakening steps off the wheel of cause and effect and ends karma. There is also no-birth and no-death. In Taoism there is immortality and also in Christianity (read the opening lines of the Gospel of St Thomas for instance).

 

So if we cannot die and cannot be born we cannot reincarnate. If there is no cause or effect then there can be no karma.

 

Also we are told there is no-self. So in our practice if 'we' think of a 'we' there is a self, so we have to question this, if we trust the teachings. If there is no-self what happens to karma or reincarnation, birth or death?

 

Does that help?

[Jetsun]

i've felt for some time now that from a reincarnation standpoint some races require a higher lottery ticket, if you will, than others. this can quickly fall into some kind of strange strain of racism but the basic idea is that some races require a higher karmic level of sorts to reincarnate into than others.

 

is this at all possible or feasible according to people who know more than i?

 

hmm...

What races do you think are higher? Why do you think they are higher?

 

There has been strains of this sort of thinking in the past in Theosophy and others that certain races have advantages, but one of the consequences of this line of thought from such esoteric teaching was Nazi ideology, and I see no evidence there is any sort of truth in such teachings.

 

Although it is difficult to talk about without sounding racist there are differences in race, it might be true that black Africans have more kidney energy for example. Europeans may have more jing than Asians. The highest number of teachings and enlightened beings come from India.

 

How this all correlates to real spirituality I don't see any difference in race as I believe it has little to do with energy or jing or anything like that, its more about having the karma to come into contact with legitimate teachers and teachings which is individual rather than racial.

[Marblehead]

Let's just be careful that this discussion doesn't turn into something negative agains certain races of man. That would be sad.

 

All are special in their own way. There really is only one race of man: human. (That's because humans killed off all the Neanderthal.)

[Bubbles]

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Let's just be careful that this discussion doesn't turn into something negative agains certain races of man. That would be sad.

Yes. Thank you Marblehead.

 

Should this thread be an opportunity to post racist content, it would be locked and sent to the Pit.

 

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[Seeker of Wisdom]

Different karma would cause rebirths in different places, so there would be a correlation with race because the different races aren't spread equally over the world.

 

But it would take the same karma to be born one race in a particular area as it would to be born a different race in an identical area and situation. Race itself is entirely irrelevant.

[Apech]

There are groups of people who share superficial genetics traits such as eye colour, hair and skin colour but 'race' is a vague term which has no real application in the real world. The idea of some kind of spiritual connection to this is a fantasy.

 

The 'races' mentioned in Theosophy by Blavatsky and other have nothing to do with human characteristics but are a spiritual hierarchy posited by her as part of her world view.

[zanshin]

One race, we are all related.

 

http://www.genetic-genealogy.co.uk/supp/ancestor_paradox.html

[Stosh]

Knowing that folks are all basically the same ,

That children are innocent

from your daily life experiences and hard won insight

should suggest that the idea-

that a person reincarnates to a situation which

Fosters the attatchments they had in a previous incarnation..

May not be a correct .

Edited August 19, 2013 by Stosh

[Seth Ananda]

You might be able to get away with saying that you would need better positive Karma to be born among whichever race is currently doing very well for itself..

 

This of course would be completely arbitrary though. For instance the Egyptians {black} once had the height of civilisation, then the Persians maybe, Chinese for a period, Romans, English...

 

Now though Its all multicultural, so as long as you are born in an affluent country how would it matter what race you are?

 

 

Also the above examples are only relevant to the idea that it is better to be born in a so called 'civilised' culture...

[RiverSnake]

I was reading Magical Knowledge by Josephine McCarthy recently. She says that the energy level or the vibration we put out when we are having sex attracts a certain BEING depending on the frequency. If the sex is violent in nature then that will pull in a certain type of Being. If it is of a higher and subtler vibration then it could attract a more enlightened individual. Don't know if what she says is true, but it is definitely food for thought.

 

My, 2 cents Peace

Edited August 19, 2013 by OldChi

[SonOfTheGods]

Maybe adjust your thinking a little.

 

Maybe different races are different Species, created for different purposes.

 

The Canine family, have working dogs, hunting breeds, toy breeds,etc

 

Each group with a specific design to perform a certain function or duty.

 

A Rottweiler is a good working breed, but the Breed is also not very social around others unless taught otherwise. So by the Breed's nature, if not socialised, it can be destructive, most of the times (there is always a small amount that are not)

 

If I put a harnass on a Chihuahua, and it can not pull it, I would hesitate to say this is a worthless dog. This breed is different and useful for something else.

 

Lions eat Gazelles.

Does Nature like Lions more?

Were Gazelles incarnated just to be lion's food?

Gazelles low on the Karmic scale?

 

Maybe each Race was designed, with similar intentions - by what some call gods, or some call Alien.

 

Research Theosophy

Sumerian Writings

 

 

I'm going to end it here

 

[FokusFyre]

Whether you reincarnate or ascend depends on the vibration of your soul energy. If you have to little you will be stuck incarnating, if you gain enough through meditation, then you will ascend. There are no major differnces in any of the races on how easy this is, that would be terribly unfair. Races have minor differnces.

[doc benway]

I think that most people misunderstand the concept of reincarnation.

When looked at from the relative perspective there are all sorts of judgements, expectations, desires, and aversions.

When viewed from the perspective of spaciousness and clarity, there are no such distinctions.

[Marblehead]

You might be able to get away with saying ...

Good points in that post.

[Apech]

@sonofthegods and fokusfyre ... there are no human races there is one human race ... as Marblehead pointed out we wiped out the other human species either 40,000 or 28,000 years ago depending on which evidence you go on.

 

There are different groups of people who share characteristics - just as you look like other members of your family but that's as far as it goes.

[Flolfolil]

One could argue that it is detrimental to spiritual development to be born into civilised society and benefical to be born into a less developed one. People do tend to learn through hardship

[Apech]

One could argue that it is detrimental to spiritual development to be born into civilised society and benefical to be born into a less developed one. People do tend to learn through hardship

 

... or by being more in touch with nature.

 

Also my experience is that increased wealth does not = increased spirituality.

[Marblehead]

Hi Flolfolil,

 

As much as I would really like to disagree with you I think that if we gathered the data you would be shown to be correct.

Edited August 19, 2013 by Marblehead

[Flolfolil]

hehe, notice how i said "one could argue" instead of stating it as fact? everyone has equal opportunity

[Friend]

I understand it so : "Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way."

from the novel Anna Karenina by Tolstoy.

 

We are all in one familiy.

[thelerner]

One kinda hopes heart and deeds

over ride colors and creeds.

Edited August 19, 2013 by thelerner

[LCH]

Outside linear time, the concept of re-incarnating doesn't completely jive as things can be perceived as happening simultaneously in "parallel" existences, until perhaps one aspect of "shen" pulls enough experience together in a single life time to move beyond a karmic condition, perhaps thus freeing all other aspects of the karmic condition as well.

 

Perhaps some of these parallel existences are not even of the Earthly system.

 

Robert Monroe speaks of this in his accounts.

 

It is all pure speculation for me, so I won't spend much more energy thinking about it. :-)

[Marblehead]

Outside linear time, ...

Well, I don't even accept the concept of reincarnation but here I am in this thread anyhow for other reasons.

Edited August 20, 2013 by Marblehead

[yondaime109]

You might be able to get away with saying that you would need better positive Karma to be born among whichever race is currently doing very well for itself..

 

This of course would be completely arbitrary though. For instance the Egyptians {black} once had the height of civilisation, then the Persians maybe, Chinese for a period, Romans, English...

 

Now though Its all multicultural, so as long as you are born in an affluent country how would it matter what race you are?

 

 

Also the above examples are only relevant to the idea that it is better to be born in a so called 'civilised' culture...

You serious? I thought we're just tribal savages that did nothing for 100,000 years straight. Elaborate please?