50 Jewish Messiahs & Who Invented Jesus?

[SonOfTheGods]

It is a little known fact that there have been more than fifty prominent Jewish Messiahs. These characters, though unrenowned today, inspired messianic fervour that at times seized the whole Jewish, Christian, Muslim and even secular worlds. The stories of these fifty Messiahs, both male and female, are unknown -- suppressed by Jewish religious authorities or ignored by historians of all religions. Until now. In this book, these Jewish Messiahs are remembered, and now their forgotten stories -- whether humorous, bizarre, tragic or solemn -- are finally told. The Messiah who killed the Pope; The Messiah who was saved from the Inquisition when the Pope hid him in the Vatican; The Messiah who demanded that his head be cut off in order to prove his immortality The Messiah who defied the Holy Roman Emperor; The 17th century Messiah whose followers continued their secret society into the 20th century. And to contemporary times and the story of the late Lubavitcher Rebbe, Menachem Mendel Schneerson, and how he inspired a passionate and devoted following. Above all, Fifty Jewish Messiahs examines humanity, not divinity, and history rather than theology. Taken together, these intriguing stories paint a vivid portrait of the universal and timeless human need for optimism, and hope in a better future.

http://www.amazon.com/50-Jewish-Messiahs-Stories-Christian/dp/9652292885

 

Edited August 21, 2013 by SonOfTheGods

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http://jerryrabow.com/page3.html

[Apech]

Typical ... you wait 2000 years and 50 show up at once!

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List of messiah claimants

• 1 Jewish messiah claimants

• 2 Christian messiah claimants

3 Muslim messiah claimants

4 Other/combination messiah claimants

5 See also

6 References

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The Formation of the New Testament Canon (2000)

 

I. Early Development II. Ambiguous Pre-Canonical References III. Clear Pre-Canonical References IV. The Need to Canonize V. The Gnostics Make the First Move VI. The Old Testament Canon VII. Other Canons VIII. Justin Martyr IX. Tatian and the Four Gospel Tradition X. Theophilus and Serapion XI. Dionysius, Athenagoras and Irenaeus XII. Pantaenus and Clement: the Seminary at Alexandria XIII. The Muratorian Canon XIV. Origen: the Seminary at Caesarea XV. Tertullian, Cyprian, and the Century of Chaos XVI. Eusebius, the First History of the Church, and the Earliest Complete Bibles XVII. Cyril of Jerusalem, Athanasius of Alexandria, and the Eastern Synods XVIII. The Eastern Canons XIX. The Western Canons

 

[SonOfTheGods]

ROMAN PISO FAMILY WROTE THE NEW TESTAMENT, INVENTED "JESUS"

 

"We Jews and Church Leaders have known since the beginning of Christianity that it was synthesized by the Roman Piso family for the purpose of maintaining control over the masses and to placate slaves. And, this is why we Jews are the "Chosen People" and why we have endured so much for so many years; we are witnesses to the lie. Our ancestors wrote what they could about this in our texts."

FROM CHAPTER I (The True Authorship of the New Testament)

"The New Testament, the Church, and Christianity, were all the creation of the Calpurnius Piso (pronounced Peso w/long "E") family (a), who were Roman aristocrats. The New Testament and all the characters in it -- Jesus, all the Josephs, all the Marys, all the disciples, apostles, Paul, and John the Baptist--are all fictional."

"The Pisos created the story and the characters; they tied the story into a specific time and place in history; and they connected it with some peripheral actual people, such as the Herods, Gamaliel, the Roman procurators, etc. But Jesus and everyone involved with him were created (that is, fictional!) characters."

"In the middle of the first century of our present era, Rome's aristocracy felt itself confronted with a growing problem. The Jewish religion was continuing to grow in numbers, adding ever more proselytes. Jews numbered more than 8,000,000, and were 10% of the population of the empire and 20% of that portion living east of Rome. ( Approximately half or more of the Jews lived outside Palestine, of which many were descended from proselytes, male and female." ©

"However, Judaism's ethics and morality were incompatible with the hallowed Roman institution of slavery on which the aristocracy fed, lived and ruled. They feared that Judaism would become the chief religion of the empire. The Roman author, Annaeus Seneca, tutor and confidant of Emperor Nero, suggested in a letter to his friend Lucilius (a pseudonym of Lucius Piso) that lighting candles on Sabbaths be prohibited. (d) Seneca is later quoted by St. Augustine in his City of God (e) (although the quotation does not exist in Seneca's extant writings) as charging that: "the (Sabbath) customs of that most accursed nation have gained such strength that they have been now received in all lands, the conquered have given laws to the conqueror.""

"The family headed by Seneca's friend, Lucius Piso, was confronted with an allied problem more personal to it. They were the Calpurnius Pisos, who were descended from statesmen and consuls, and from great poets and historians as well. Gaius and Lucius Calpurnius Piso, leaders of the family, had both married Arria the Younger (from her grandfather's name, Aristobulus). This made Gaius and Lucius Piso's wife the great-granddaughter of Herod the Great."

"Repeatedly, religious-minded Judaean zealots were staging insurrections against the Herodian rulers of Judaea who were Piso's wife's relations. Piso wished to strengthen his wife's family's control of the Judaeans. The Pisos searched for a solution to the two problems. They found it in the Jewish holy books, which were the foundation both for the rapid spread of the religion and for the zealot's refusal to be governed by Rome's puppets. The Pisos mocked, but marveled at, the Jewish belief in their holy books. Therefore, they felt a new "Jewish" book would be the ideal method to pacify the Judaeans and strengthen their in-laws' control of the country."

"About the year, 60 A.D. (C.E.), Lucius Calpurnius Piso composed Ur Marcus, the first version of the Gospel of Mark, which no longer exists. He was encouraged by his friend Seneca (f) and assisted by his wife's kinsman, young Persius the Poet. Nero's mistress (later his wife) Poppea was pro-Jewish, and Nero opposed the plan. The result was the Pisonian conspiracy to assassinate Nero, detailed in the historian Tacitus. But this attempt failed when he aborted the plot. Instead, Nero had Piso and Seneca and their fellow conspirators executed by forcing them to commit suicide."

"He exiled Piso's young son Arrius (spelled "Arius" herein), who appears in Tacitus under several names, including "Antonius Natalis." (g) Nero sent young Piso to Syria as governor. That post also gave him command of the legions controlling Judaea. His own "history" records his service in Judaea in the year 65 under the name of Gessius Florus, and in 66 with the pseudonym Cestius Gallus."

"This Arius Calpurnius Piso deliberately provoked the Jewish revolt in 66 so he could destroy the Temple in Jerusalem (h)--for the Jews were unwilling to accept his father's story and thereby become pacified by it as it was intended. However, his 12th legion was caught by the zealots in the Pass of Beth Horon and almost lost. Nero's reaction was to exile him instead to Pannonia, to command a legion there; and to send Licinius Mucianus to serve in Syria, and Vespasian to Judaea to put down the Jewish revolt."

"Then in 68 Nero was assassinated by his own slave Epaphroditus (I) --who unknown to his master was young Piso's lackey. Galba became emperor and named Piso's cousin, Licinianus Piso, (j) as his intended successor; but Galba in turn was soon overthrown by Otho. Otho was then overthrown by Vitellius-at which point Piso and his friends began to flock together against the latter. The Pisos, Mucianus, and Tiberius Alexander all joined ranks behind Vespasian to seek to overthrow Vitellius. (k) The were joined by Frontinus and Agricola."

"Arius Calpurnius Piso was still commanding the 7th legion in Pannonia (l) (Austria-Hungary), and Vespasian sent him (m) (now appearing in Tacitus with the name Marcus Antonius Primus (n)) south across the Alps to overthrow Vitellius. Meanwhile, the main body of Vespasian's legions marched overland under Mucianus from the east towards Rome. Piso succeeded in defeating Vitellius' army and secured Rome for Vespasian.(o) Mucianus arrived and promptly sent him to Judaea to help Titus at the siege of Jerusalem. He did so, and in 70 they assaulted the city, then the Temple, burned it, slaughtered many thousands, sent thousands more to slavery and gladiatorial combat and death." "Then, Arius Calpurnius Piso wrote, in sequence, the following: Gospel of Matthew (70-75 C.E.) Present Gospel of Mark (75-80 C.E.) Gospel of Luke (85-90 C.E., with help of Pliny the Younger) In the gospel story he inserted himself by playing the role of not only Jesus, but of all the Josephs, as well. He particularly enjoyed assuming the identity of Joseph. Wishing to create a Jewish hero, a savior, in fictional form, he (and his father before him), felt the identity of a second Joseph secretly, but very aptly, fit them. For their name Piso had the same four letters, rearranged, as the four Hebrew letters (Yud Vov Samech Fey) which in that language spelled the name Joseph. Thus they saw themselves as the new Joseph. That is why so much of the story of Joseph in Egypt is secretly redone and inserted into the gospel story of Jesus."

Reference

(a) The vowels are pronounced as in "veto" and "me so".

 

( Klausner, Joseph, From Jesus to Paul, Macmillan Co., 1943, pp 33-34.

 

© Baron, Salo, A Social and Religious History of the Jews, Columbia Univ. Press, N.Y., and Jewish Publication Society, Philidephia, 1952, vol. 1, pp 170-171.

 

(d) Seneca, Ad Lucilium Epistulae Morales, Vol. III, Epistle XCV.47, pp 87-89.

 

(e) St. Augustine, City of God, Modern Library, Random House, 1950, 6.11, p 202.

 

(f) Seneca, Ad Lucilium Epistulae Morales, Vol. I, Epistle XLVI, pp 299-300.

 

(g) Tacitus, Annals, XV.54,71.

 

(h) Having destroyed the Temple, Piso could then have Jesus (whom he was predating to 40 years before the Temple's destruction) prophecy the destruction because of the Jews' rejection of him! (Mat. 23.37-38).

 

(i) Roman historians (Suet. Nero 49, and Dio Cassius 63.29) explain merely that Epaphroditus assisted the emperor's suicide. See also Tacitus, Annals XV.55, footnote 2.

 

(j) Tacitus, Histories I.14.

 

(k) Tacitus, Histories II.74-81.

 

(l) Tacitus, Histories III.2, footnote 1.

 

(m) (Tacitus) Vespasian relied on Piso because he was grandson of his own brother--Vespasian's brother, T. Flavius Sabinus, had married Arria Sr., who was Piso's maternal grandmother. Piso's identity as thus also a Flavian is decipherable from the appearance in the Flavian family line of L. Caesennius Paetus (Townend, Gavin, Some Flavian Connections, Journal of Roman Studies LI.54,62, 1961). That was an alias (like Thrasea Paetus) of Piso's father, L. Calpurnius Piso. See page 20 supra, wherein Piso himself also is mentioned as a Caesennius Paetus. That is the true reason Piso used the literary pseudonym of Flavius; it was not because of his alleged-but untrue and hardly necessary-adoption by Emperor Flavius Vespasian. He was in fact a Flavian.

Piso humorously used the three basic consonants of the Flavians' Sabinus name, SBN, in revised sequences for some of his fictional literary identities:

(1) BarNaBaS who appears in Acts 4.36 and there specifically stated as another name of a Joseph (Josephus!),

(2) BarNaBazoS in Antiq. XI.207, (3) BaNnoS in Vita 11, the mirror-image of John the Baptist.

The same device of rearranging consonants was used in recreating Afranius Burrus, the friend of Seneca (Tacitus, Annals XIII-XIV)-and therefore of Lucius Piso. He was Nero's Praetorian Prefect, and then several years before Seneca's death, was himself a victim of the emperor. Burrus reappears as BaRaBbaS, the fictional brigand in Mat. 27.16.

 

(n) (Tacitus, Histories III.6). The realization that Marcus Antonius Primus was a pseudonym of Arius Calpurnius Piso is based on these factors:

1. The name in Pliny's letters under which Piso is the latter's wife's grandfather is Arius Antoninus.

2. According to Suetonius (Lives of the Caesars, Book IV. XXV), Emperor Caius Caligula appropriated Gaius Piso's wife at Piso's marriage. That would have been about the year 36--the year before Arius' birth. Caligula is known to have been a descendant of Mark Antony (Marcus Antonius). Seemingly Suetonius was teasing at the questioned paternity of Piso's alter ego creation.

3. Tacitus' caustic description of Marcus Antonius Primus remind one of Piso.

4. The idea to call Piso "Antonius Primus" --was his own. It was Piso himself in his Jewish War IV.495 who first detailed Antonius Primus' campaign for Vespasian against Vitellius. Also Josephus inserts "Antonius" (himself!) as a centurion who dies at the capture of Jotapata (Jewish War III.333).

5. Marcus Antonius Primus' colleague in the campaign against Vitellius is named Arrius Varus (Tacitus, Histories III.6). This is yet another alter ego of Piso himself. In the mid-50's (C.E.), while in his late teens, young Piso was a prefect of a cohort of legionnaires in the campaign against Vologeses, King of Armenia--serving there (in Tacitus, Annals XIII.9) under the name of Arrius Varus.

6. His exploits as General Marcus Antonius Primus account for his absence from Judaea in the years 67-69, between his defeat as Cestius Gallus and his reappearing to assist Titus as the siege of Jerusalem in 70. Rather than being Vespasian's prisoner in chains, he was his general, advancing on Rome in his behalf.

 

(o) Tacitus, Histories, III.82-86. Also "the supreme authority was exercised by Antonius Primus" (Tacitus, Histories, IV.2).

 

http://www.konformist.com/blasphemy/piso.htm

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A Short Synopsis of Piso History

http://www.fargonasphere.com/piso/synopsis.html

 

This site is about THINKING, not about SUPERSTITION or FAITH.

All resources used to prepare this site are historically validated based on actual documents written by authors who lived during the period from 100 BCE to 150 CE. The original King James Version of the Bible is used for all quotes in English because it was the earliest commonly known translation. Later versions contain Christian interpretations that are not literal translations of the original languages of authorship. The Latin Vulgate used by the Roman Catholic Church is used for all quotes in Latin. The works of Suetonius, Pliny (younger and elder), Tacitus and Flavius Josephus are quoted and referenced from commonly accepted English translations. It is important to note that original documents exist for most of the corroboration, and the translations are independent of any work done here. In other words,

known, independent, and commonly accepted historians provide the scholarly basis for all information used in this site

.

One thing that comes out of this research is that superstitious or "mystical" interpretations are given rational explanations. You will see how this is explained by knowing who wrote the New Testament, and who the central figure of the New Testament really is. The New Testament contains references to many historical persons. Julius Caesar seems to be a key player. The Roman emperor Titus Flavius Vespasiani is also represented, and in fact the exploits of Titus as described by Flavius Josephus mirror events in the (fictional) life of Jesus as portrayed in the New Testament.

In 47 BCE Caesar was in Egypt being seduced by Cleopatra. Most of us know something about Caesar and Cleopatra. Caesar must have been notified that Pharnaces II, king of Pontus, was planning an invasion of the city of Rome, for he abandoned Cleopatra and sped to Pontus with two legions of Roman troops. There they found Pharnaces' troops in battle regalia ready to march on Rome. Caesar's troops had just finished defeating the city of Alexandria. Although they were fatigued from battle they nevertheless easily routed Pharnaces and utterly negated his plans for conquest. The fact that Cleopatra was a Piso relative may have meant that she was participating in a conspiracy to distract Caesar, which may help to explain her somewhat bizarre efforts at seduction. The Zoroastrian temple at Zela (located on a high prominence) was destroyed. Caesar defended the Jews in Rome. The Pisos hated the Jews (all but the Herodians, who were relatives) because they had supported Caesar, and because their leaders did not believe in slavery. As Royals, the Pisos depended on slaves, as did nearly all Roman aristocrats.

When Caesar was assassinated three years later, in 44 BCE, his father-in-law Lucius Piso read Caesar's

testament

to the people of Rome that same day, while the body was still warm. This "old testament" gave most of Caesar's land and huge fortune to the citizens of Rome, to be divided equally. The substantial balance went to Caesar's son Octavian. The Piso family, his inlaws, inherited only the portion given to them as citizens.

 

The sequence of events is illustrated if you follow this link to:

Caesar/Piso Timeline

The Pisos had many reasons to hate Julius Caesar. He had made war against their homeland. He had betrayed his wife Calpurnia, who was a Piso, with another Piso relative: Cleopatra. He had written the Pisos out of his will. In addition to all this, he was a Populist and was against the Royals, who suspected that if he were to become dictator he might even abolish slavery. The Piso family were Royals. Sixty percent of the people in the Roman Empire were slaves.

So, in 66 CE, a Piso/Flavian named Vespasian, a Roman emperor, waged war against Judea. He tore down the temple at Jerusalem with the help of a Piso relative named Titus Flavius in 70 CE, just as Caesar had torn down the temple at Zela. To commemorate his victory and to create a religion to keep the slaves humble, he and his family authored the New Testament, cleverly inventing a Jesus Christ who would replace Caesar as the head of what was to become the new state religion of Rome: Christianity.

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Published in November 1979, The True Authorship of the New Testament is the first book in history that explains the true authorship of the New Testament. This historically important book was written by an author who was wondering why slick former Jews were getting into the evangelism business and fleecing Christians of their money, all in the name of Jesus. His 35 year research has uncovered the whole horrible truth, namely that Christianity was created by the Calpurnius Piso's of Rome. It is a fictional story used by the Piso's to take over Rome, which they eventually did after 136 c.e. They also forced the Jews to insert into their religious books many of Piso's own works to create prophecies for the coming of his fictional character, Jesus. If you are a priest, pastor or muslim, this book is a must read if you are to get a head in your respective organizations. All your top leadership know this information--why not you? For those Christians and Muslims that are worried about Satan, we will put your mind at ease. The name and the concept of Satan, the Devil, Lucifer etc. was created by Arius Calpurnius Piso. What's interesting is he also played the part in the story.

 

http://www.vectorpub.com/True_Authorship_of_the_New_Testament.html

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The Roman Piso family wrote the New Testament-invented Jesus

 

http://www.trueauthorship.blogspot.com/

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New Testament Bible Authored by the Calpurnius Piso's of Rome Part 1/5

 

 

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Every day, almost 16,000 children die from hunger-related causes

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[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

you sayin jesus didnt exist in the old testament? lol

[thelerner]

It doesn't read right to me. Feels made up. Nobody writes 'We Jews & Church Leaders(church?) know X'. That's how a racist writes about a group they know shit about. Kinda like the KKK finding a documents that says 'We Blacks have decided to X' or We Catholics have decided to take over America by running Kennedy for President'. It written like a wet dream from people who are trying to sell an agenda to bigots.

 

Simply put, nobody writes in that style. It's clearly made up from sentence one. The language feels wrong, too modern. Jews were considered a crazy backwards people by most Romans, common and elite. First thing you need to do is cut off a piece of your penis, is simply not a selling point, nor is a couple hundred pages of rules and regulations. Simply put, with Christianity you get heaven, murky but decent theology, and 1/100 the rules. There was no threat of mass proselytization with Judaism.

 

There was no We Jews back then, there were denominations, a few main ones, and dozens of smaller off shoots. Herod destroyed the Sanhedrin, shattering its validity. Jews remember the Pharisees far more kindly then Christians, but it was mixed bag depending on who and when.

 

I think there was a 'Jesus'/Yeshua/Joshua. There may have been a dozen of them, radicals caught in a dangerous turbulent very superstitious time. He was probably a mystic and faith healer. Older myths got tied to his name, in the usual way 'telephone' is played. Then massively once it became institutionalized and you needed to prove your god is bigger and better then other gods.

 

Certainly once Constantine got involved it became a method of control. At its earliest, not so much, it could have gone a different way if other gospels and sects had emerged as number one. There are pivot points in history that are easy to miss, but often the scales are weighted so evenly only a few key people are the fulcrum by which mighty stream of history is led.

 

I don't think Piso was one of those.

Edited August 21, 2013 by thelerner

[SonOfTheGods]

It doesn't read right to me. Feels made up. Nobody writes 'We Jews & Church Leaders(church?) know X'. That's how a racist writes about a group they know shit about. Kinda like the KKK finding a documents that says 'We Blacks have decided to X' or We Catholics have decided to take over America by running Kennedy for President'. It written like a wet dream from people who are trying to sell an agenda to bigots.

 

Simply put, nobody writes in that style. It's clearly made up from sentence one. The language feels wrong, too modern. Jews were considered a crazy backwards people by most Romans, common and elite. First thing you need to do is cut off a piece of your penis, is simply not a selling point, nor is a couple hundred pages of rules and regulations. Simply put, with Christianity you get heaven, murky but decent theology, and 1/100 the rules. There was no threat of mass proselytization with Judaism.

 

There was no We Jews back then, there were denominations, a few main ones, and dozens of smaller off shoots. Herod destroyed the Sanhedrin, shattering its validity. Jews remember the Pharisees far more kindly then Christians, but it was mixed bag depending on who and when.

 

I think there was a 'Jesus'/Yeshua/Joshua. There may have been a dozen of them, radicals caught in a dangerous turbulent very superstitious time. He was probably a mystic and faith healer. Older myths got tied to his name, in the usual way 'telephone' is played. Then massively once it became institutionalized and you needed to prove your god is bigger and better then other gods.

 

Certainly once Constantine got involved it became a method of control. At its earliest, not so much, it could have gone a different way if other gospels and sects had emerged as number one. There are pivot points in history that are easy to miss, but often the scales are weighted so evenly only a few key people are the fulcrum by which mighty stream of history is led.

 

I don't think Piso was one of those.

I made Ten posts, suporting my claim, and you wrote as an opposing argument, you just sort of do not feel this is true.

 

Would you mind posting some concrete Historical Evidence that Jesus was an Actual Person?

 

I personally examined all the so called evidence, but you seem pretty certain of your stand point.

 

Looking forward to your evidence, should you take that challenge.

 

Thanks

[Apech]

I made Ten posts, suporting my claim, and you wrote as an opposing argument, you just sort of do not feel this is true.

 

Would you mind posting some concrete Historical Evidence that Jesus was an Actual Person?

 

I personally examined all the so called evidence, but you seem pretty certain of your stand point.

 

Looking forward to your evidence, should you take that challenge.

 

Thanks

 

I was wondering if maybe it doesn't feel right to Steve because what you have posted is bollocks. Sorry to use that word but I couldn't think of another one having read most of this stuff.

[SonOfTheGods]

I was wondering if maybe it doesn't feel right to Steve because what you have posted is bollocks. Sorry to use that word but I couldn't think of another one having read most of this stuff.

Tracking down evidence for a Historical Jesus, and Bollocks, go hand in hand

[SonOfTheGods]

I'm pretty sure no one actually watched the videos I posted, which is different from the other documentation I posted.

 

Here's a different approach:

 

http://vimeo.com/31609589

 

http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/

Edited August 22, 2013 by SonOfTheGods

[thelerner]

I made Ten posts, suporting my claim, and you wrote as an opposing argument, you just sort of do not feel this is true.

 

Would you mind posting some concrete Historical Evidence that Jesus was an Actual Person?

 

I personally examined all the so called evidence, but you seem pretty certain of your stand point.

 

Looking forward to your evidence, should you take that challenge.

Hold on, he's in the other room. 'Jesus, are you a real person?'

He just said 'Yes'. I don't know if I could give any better evidence then that.

 

Not just feelings, but my common sense rails against it. It makes my BS sense tingle like crazy. Can I prove George Washington didn't say 'Yo Boys, we gonna bust a cap on King G'. He might have, but when people claim a 200 year document has such speech in it, I don't spend much time debunking it. I don't need to, thus I haven't. To me its incredulous and stupid.

 

I don't know if Jesus was an actual person. I'm certainly not a Christian. I do know the style of writing you present reminds me of racist forged literature that pops up every now and then. Like the Klan finding a 'We blacks have a plan to put ourselves into slavery to infiltrate the new world' or 'We Catholics have decided to create and spread Islam because it'd be fun'.

 

Jews wouldn't get a whole lot out of benefits out of creating another religion. It'd be kind of blasphemous in a big way. Your hypothesis is they'd do it for their love of some Roman guy. It doesn't make sense from any angle I can see other then it falls into a racists wet dream.

 

Early Christianity was no perfect boon for Romans either, note the way it was initially treated for decades. It was apocalyptic and had strong themes of peace and brotherhood, which could derail the Roman war machine. If I was Roman looking to start a new religion it wouldn't be built on the backwards minority Judaic platform, I'd build on my strength, go with Mars. Keep heaven, let Mars have a kid with an emperor's daughter and go in that direction.

 

late night ramblings

On the third hand, its an inevitable conclusion that Judaism led to Christianity. It contains the seed for longing for a messiah and over its history got more then a few. Thus far rejecting them all as not The One. Heck the old testament even names a non Jewish Persian, Cyrus as a small m, messiah. A little after Jesus's time the greatest rabbi of the period Akiba was proclaiming Juda Maccabee as the messiah(later changed his mind, cause Judas was killed by Romans and didn't bring paradise to Earth). During Jesus time, even in the old testament people seemed to John the Baptist (who ran a Jewish Mikva) was a messiah.

[h.uriahr]

Jesus Christ is very much alive.

 

I find it interesting at times when people try to "prove" that Jesus never existed. How do you do that? You can't.

Your "evidence" doesn't prove anything at all. Christ came and was rejected so based solely on that rejection why would you expect concrete physical evidence?

 

The Christian Journey is by no means an easy road. I'd actually venture to say that it is one of THE HARDEST roads to take. Constant attacks against my Savior. The NEED for daily Scripture reading. The time needed for concentrated prayer. The working of faith, not just by tithing but also dedicating yourself to helping others.

 

I know you don't believe in Him but He believes in you so don't worry, He really did come to save THE WHOLE WORLD, not some of it, not a little of it but ALL of it.

 

God Bless YOU

[Taomeow]

All religions have the same original source -- what really happened.

 

According to the teachings of the Mystery Schools (encoded in all modern religions in a form that can't be understood by a regular practitioner, but invariably there -- yup, in Christianity too), what really happened was the coming of the savior a long, long time before religions of any sort. The savior was the Sun god, the saved party Mother Earth, the oppressor, Saturn. This drama has been re-enacted many, many times, in various re-castings. Jesus, incidentally, is one of a succession of the Sun gods briefly participating in this re-enactment in the past two thousand years. The "what really happened" has always been in the past AND the future simultaneously. As one of my favorite sci-fi shows, Battlestar Galactica, put it, "it all happened before, and it will all happen again."

[Aetherous]

There's this verse:

"This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world."
- 1 John 4:2-3

I don't know anything...just throwing that out there.

[h.uriahr]

You can imitate but it'll never be the real deal

 

 

[SonOfTheGods]

All religions have the same original source -- what really happened.

 

According to the teachings of the Mystery Schools (encoded in all modern religions in a form that can't be understood by a regular practitioner, but invariably there -- yup, in Christianity too), what really happened was the coming of the savior a long, long time before religions of any sort. The savior was the Sun god, the saved party Mother Earth, the oppressor, Saturn. This drama has been re-enacted many, many times, in various re-castings. Jesus, incidentally, is one of a succession of the Sun gods briefly participating in this re-enactment in the past two thousand years. The "what really happened" has always been in the past AND the future simultaneously. As one of my favorite sci-fi shows, Battlestar Galactica, put it, "it all happened before, and it will all happen again."

Astro-theology for those who are enlightened

 

Fairy tales for those who aren't

[Aetherous]

The sun "saving" the earth from the planet Saturn, and dressing that up in numerous analogies....that sounds more like a fairy tale, in comparison to a spiritual teacher having been alive at one point in history.