Magnetism or Electricity

[Marblehead]

... at a very basic level the human body is electrical.

All matter is one or another form of energy.

 

Another interesting thought along these lines is the halo around certain peoples' head. I believe this originated via energy radiating from the brain (it is the most energetic organ in our body) and there are certain people who are able to sense this energy in one way or another.

[Apech]

All matter is one or another form of energy.

 

Another interesting thought along these lines is the halo around certain peoples' head. I believe this originated via energy radiating from the brain (it is the most energetic organ in our body) and there are certain people who are able to sense this energy in one way or another.

 

I don't believe you have a halo ...

[Marblehead]

I don't believe you have a halo ...

Not me. Of course not. But some others maybe.

[ChiDragon]

You really don't have a clue do you. Even cells are maintained by osmotic pressure from positive and negative ions (Cl, Na, K and protein mols) in the blood ... at a very basic level the human body is electrical.

 

I think the usage of the term "electrical" is a little too broad here. We were talking about electromagnetic field to begin with. Let's stop this. It is getting too technical here and we're going nowhere. I will not respond with further comments.

 

 

Edited September 14, 2013 by ChiDragon

[Apech]

 

I think the usage of the term "electrical" is a little too broad here. We were talking about electromagnetic field to begin with. Let's stop this. It is getting too technical here and we're going nowhere. I will not respond with further comments.

 

 

 

 

You don't have to respond. Electromagnetic field are generated by moving charged particles ... could be sub atomic like the electron or ions like the anions and cations which form blood plasma. In the human body some of these fields would be very small and subtle. However the nervous system, the muscles and sinews and even the bones have electrical properties when they operate. Organs and body parts consist of layers of good conductors surrounded by layers of poor conductors (fascia) and so on ... so the build is very similar to a battery. Good health requires that this system is operating corrrectly.

[Marblehead]

Do you think that if I drank some sulfuric acid it would charge my battery?

[Brian]

There were some high school kids at a party years ago who found a bottle of lye and passed it around as liquor , thinking the reactions were because it was some strong stuff.

 

It didn't end well...

[Apech]

Do you think that if I drank some sulfuric acid it would charge my battery?

 

 

I think it would give you a halo pretty quick.

[Marblehead]

I think it would give you a halo pretty quick.

Hehehe. Excellent response.

[Dagon]

You really don't have a clue do you. Even cells are maintained by osmotic pressure from positive and negative ions (Cl, Na, K and protein mols) in the blood ... at a very basic level the human body is electrical.

 

I'm not sure how that is electrical, osmotic pressure has to do with concentration gradients in water and the amount of solutes.

 

Water like to be equal, (like the Tao), and tends to flow from lower concentration of solutes to the higher concentrations to equalize.

[silent thunder]

You don't have to respond. Electromagnetic field are generated by moving charged particles ... could be sub atomic like the electron or ions like the anions and cations which form blood plasma. In the human body some of these fields would be very small and subtle. However the nervous system, the muscles and sinews and even the bones have electrical properties when they operate. Organs and body parts consist of layers of good conductors surrounded by layers of poor conductors (fascia) and so on ... so the build is very similar to a battery. Good health requires that this system is operating corrrectly.

 

 

Bone conducts electrical current more efficiently than muscle and muscle conducts better than skin.

 

This reduction in conductivity/increased resistance to the electrical current explains the heat generated in the hands of my teacher and other masters.

[Dagon]

I think metabolism does a better job of explaining heat within the body, as well as the thyroid.

 

 

It also happens to be a chakra or energy center in the throat.

 

[Taomeow]

The thyroid itself is regulated by the pituitary gland. In turn, the pituitary is regulated in part by thyroid hormone that is circulating in the blood (a feedback effect) and in part by the hypothalamus, also a part of the brain.

The hypothalamus releases a hormone called thyrotropin releasing hormone (TRH), which sends a signal to the pituitary to release thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH). In turn, TSH sends a signal to the thyroid to release thyroid hormones.

Hypothalamus - TRH

Pituitary- TSH

Thyroid- T4 and T3

which partially overlaps with the TCM concept of the Triple Burner -- and yes, the heater in the human body is electrically operated, because the brain both dispenses and receives metabolic commands electrochemically.

On a more esoteric note, can someone figure out why a medical qigong master highly recommended by a friend of mine asserts that if you click your teeth together while urinating, this will strengthen the kidneys? I've heard about the 32 dental clicks as part of qigong practice before (Stephen Chang), and it made sense because mild shocks to bones do produce piezoelectric discharges that cause calcium ions to flow and get deposited at the site and gradually strengthen the bone by increasing its density... but the idea of doing this while urinating and affecting the kidneys seems somehow further related to things electrical, to urine's conductivity (it IS an electrolyte after all)... also it's probably not just kidneys the organ but Kidneys the organ-system-function that actually includes the hypothalamic-pitutary-reproductive axis... anyone?..

Edited September 15, 2013 by Taomeow

[Dagon]

The thyroid itself is regulated by the pituitary gland. In turn, the pituitary is regulated in part by thyroid hormone that is circulating in the blood (a feedback effect) and in part by the hypothalamus, also a part of the brain.

 

The hypothalamus releases a hormone called thyrotropin releasing hormone (TRH), which sends a signal to the pituitary to release thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH). In turn, TSH sends a signal to the thyroid to release thyroid hormones.

Hypothalamus - TRH

Pituitary- TSH

Thyroid- T4 and T3

 

which partially overlaps with the TCM concept of the Triple Burner -- and yes, the heater in the human body is electrically operated, because the brain both dispenses and receives metabolic commands electrochemically.

 

 

Thanks for the elaboration Taomeow!

 

Try not to confuse electrochemically with electricity though, , even though it is ionic.

Edited September 15, 2013 by Dagon

[silent thunder]

I love this place so much.

 

Thanks again for the great atmosphere.

[Taomeow]

Thanks for the elaboration Taomeow!

 

Try not to confuse electrochemically with electricity though, , even though it is ionic.

 

 

Trying real hard, Master.

 

The term may be throwing you off, so let me clarify: "electrochemical" stands for "electrical plus chemical." It does not stand for "different from electrical."

 

That thingie on a chemical neuron where the second arrow on the left is pointing, that's a voltage gated Ca⁺⁺ channel. "Voltage gated" means the chemical reaction will occur when the voltage changes, that's what the "firing" of a neuron physically means. What it will fire -- a neurotransmitter across the synaptic cleft -- is the chemical bullet, what it will fire it from is the electric gun.

 

[Dagon]

I get your point, but I still prefer ions and ionization or electrochemical, because neuron firing requires both "electronic and chemical coupling through gap junctions."

 

http://physrev.physiology.org/content/75/4/689.short

Edited September 15, 2013 by Dagon

[Apech]

I'm not sure how that is electrical, osmotic pressure has to do with concentration gradients in water and the amount of solutes.

 

Water like to be equal, (like the Tao), and tends to flow from lower concentration of solutes to the higher concentrations to equalize.

 

Sodium and Potassium are positively charged ions and Chlorine and protein are negative. A car battery works by the transport of ions also. The electromagnetic force is one of the four basic forces in the universe and is responsible for these effects.

 

'Electrical' just means that positive or negative charge is in motion.

[Dagon]

Good point. Electrical is a broad term, and I didn't realize just how broad until today, thanks!

Edited September 15, 2013 by Dagon

[Marblehead]

A personal experience of mine some might be interested in.

 

When I am working on my electric car I need be careful because even though it is all DC voltage and you are not supposed to be able to get shocked from DC voltage if I have one hand on the vehicle body (negative side of 12VDC) and I touch any part of the series of batteries that drive the motor (120VDC) I will get a shock similar to a shock one would get by touching a 110VAC circuit.

 

I don't know the theory behind why this happens but likely it is because they are two unequal energy potentials.

 

On any car today one can get shocked from the current flowing from the alternator to charge the battery. This is because it is not pure DC voltage but closer to what I call pulsating DC current. It can knock a person on their butt.

[joeblast]

I'm not sure how that is electrical, osmotic pressure has to do with concentration gradients in water and the amount of solutes.

 

Water like to be equal, (like the Tao), and tends to flow from lower concentration of solutes to the higher concentrations to equalize.

brownian motion flows forth from electromagnetism

[Ya Mu]

Body & Magnetics/electromagnetics/electricy is a fascinating subject.

 

I know Brian linked to this post he made in another thread earlier but perhaps several didn't see it. I think this a very good explanation that doesn't go overboard on the technical but explains in a down to earth fashion. Brian, I hope you don't mind me quoting this here.

 

"I’d like to speak first to the “science” aspect. I am not inviting a discussion about “science” or about any details regarding the scientific underpinnings of stillness-movement neigong, I’m just sharing a few of my own thoughts (we’ve got a few regulars who inspire me to make that statement…) In fact, I would say that spending too much time trying to analyze the system is exactly counter-productive! That's quite an admission from a man who spent his first 40 years analyzing things.

 

Michael is an electrical engineer who specialized in electromagnetics. I am a physicist with a concentration in electronic engineering. I know of several others in the system who also have some sort of scientific background/training. I find the system to be totally consistent with “science” and I’ll try to explain.

 

While the vast majority of the universe appears to be composed of “dark matter” and “dark energy” (which would be extremely disconcerting to those who believe science has the answers except for the fact that they have turned “science” into “Science” – but that’s a completely different thread!), the observed universe is largely explained or modeled by a handful of “forces” which have been shown to be derived from a single “whatever-it-was” force from the time of the Big Bang (well, gravity is still problematic and Einstein spent most of his later years working unsuccessfully on a Grand Unifying Theory, work that continues today). It is my belief that this single “whatever-it-was” is really an “is” rather than a “was” and that it is synonymous with what we refer to as “Light” on TTB, and that most of the world’s cosmogonies inadequately describe what is also inadequately described in science by the Big Bang.

 

Without getting into the weeds, though, our interactions with the universe and the operational mechanics of virtually anything you can point to is entirely or largely a matter of electromagnetics (and gravity...) Be it a rainbow or a firecracker, a radio or an internal combustion engine, what scientists currently refer to as electromagnetics is key.

 

More to point, our bodies are chemically-driven electromagnetic machines. Not only is the structure electromagnetic but the operation itself. All of the interactions and signaling and chemical conversions and biological processes – all of it – is electromagnetic in nature. It is easy to see that all the electrolytes and minerals and the subsystems using them (from the inner ear to the central nervous system to the brain to energy cycles that power things) are “electrical” because of the reliance on charges but remember that any moving charge generates a magnetic field as well as the electric field of a stationary charge (if there were such a thing as a stationary charge). These untold numbers of electromagnetic fields overlap and interact with other charges – and are NOT confined to the boundaries of the physical body itself.

 

An ordinary magnet is simply a piece of iron in which a small fraction of the atoms within the crystalline structure are aligned in such a way that their electrical polarization points in the same direction. Spin then generates tiny magnetic fields which, because the electrical fields are aligned, are also aligned. A tiny fraction of the atoms is all it takes for that piece of iron to display the amazing properties that fascinate us as children but that we generally learn to take for granted. We are talking about something very similar with stillness-movement…

 

By drawing “energy” into dan tien (the lower dan tien, for those who want to get hung up on details) and then letting it gently overflow to permeate the physical body, we are “strengthening” and “aligning” the corresponding energy-body. Like with the iron bar, it only takes a little bit of alignment to start seeing results. As one continues to practice, though, and slowly learns to keep the intellect from interfering, and learns to take responsibility for this being-unforgotten “ability,” the effect continues to develop.

 

Since my energy-body isn’t confined within my physical body and your energy-body isn’t confined within your physical body, our electromagnetic fields naturally interact with each other – even at a distance. In general, these interactions are random in nature and so tend to cancel each other out. An iron magnet will affect a paper-clip, however, in much the same way that a qigong healer’s energy-body can affect the energy-body of the person being healed. Exposing a piece of iron to a strong magnetic field can align some of its atoms and turn it into a magnet in its own right (especially if certain preparatory/facilitating steps are taken) and the same is true with the qigong healer who not only has an immediate and temporary effect but also has a lasting and residual impact.

 

Central to this whole thing is not only strengthening the energy-body by gathering energy through daily qigong practice and aligning the energy-body by being a good & moral person (and remaining calm ), but also learning to control the interactions between energy-bodies. This is where concepts like “listening” and “awareness” and “being in the moment” and “setting one’s intent” all come into play. It is by stopping the brain from “being the boss” and by becoming part of that “flow” that astounding things start to happen.

 

It is important to note that nothing in the stillness-movement system is forced. Yes, there are certain movements and actions and such but even these are not overly rigorous in structure or form. Instead, the focus is on practicing and letting things happen as they will. This is why you don’t hear Michael’s students talk much about MCO or the third eye or specific breathing techniques or what have you. These sorts of things largely are natural results of one’s development rather than tools to be used in one’s development – effects rather than causes.

 

As to success rates, I don’t have enough personal experience yet to be a good case study but I have virtually a 100% success rate so far with one exception – a family member so attached to her various ailments that my efforts to date have had only temporary impact. Even with her, the short-term results are significant & impressive but the problems quickly return. It is worth pointing out, though, that her physicians and specialists chide her for obsessing on symptoms while refusing to take personal action to address underlying causes. Some people are like that…

 

I’ll also point out that I know of one stillness-movement practitioner who ran a clinic for many years with a “pay me after it works” policy – which turns the money-back guarantee on its head! The fact that the clinic lasted more than a few months speaks volumes, I think (unlike several Reiki masters I have personally known over the years, for example).

The proof is in the pudding, though – as the saying goes. Reading the book is like reading about sex, a valuable introduction but... Come to Hilton Head in November and try it for yourself! Heck, I'll buy you a beer so it isn't a total loss even if the system doesn't resonate with you.

 

Hope this helps!

Brian"

 

A couple of comments on EE books and application to the human body.

I agree that these books will not give one an understanding of human body energetics.

 

And yet...

 

For me, it was as if an imprint of everything I struggled with in advanced EE electromagnetic field theory was instantly - what is the word - possibly "conceptualized"? "Imprinted"? "made clear"; "made sense"? ah, I am having a senior moment OR possibly attempting to explain an energetic phenomena with words that will not quite describe what I am trying to get across. What I am trying to say is that before I stood in the huge magnetic field of a qigong master I only had a theoretical - non-local feeling about electromagnetics/magnetics. But when I did that was internalized so the books which, even though I passed the university courses and applied those theories in industry, never had before quite made complete sense - these books & teachings were instantly flowed into me so that I "saw" the fields everywhere. Ah, heck, I know that doesn't quite make sense either so I will quit attempting.

Let me just say this: The books & teachings in electromagnetic field theory made it much easier for me to have an instant internal realization of what was happening with the qigong.

[ChiDragon]

A personal experience of mine some might be interested in.

 

When I am working on my electric car I need be careful because even though it is all DC voltage and you are not supposed to be able to get shocked from DC voltage if I have one hand on the vehicle body (negative side of 12VDC) and I touch any part of the series of batteries that drive the motor (120VDC) I will get a shock similar to a shock one would get by touching a 110VAC circuit.

 

I don't know the theory behind why this happens but likely it is because they are two unequal energy potentials.

 

On any car today one can get shocked from the current flowing from the alternator to charge the battery. This is because it is not pure DC voltage but closer to what I call pulsating DC current. It can knock a person on their butt.

 

The reason one get a shock from a DC source is because at the first initial contact there was a sudden change in the current flow. After the initial contact, there was no more change in the current flow. Thus no more shock.

 

The alternator puts out an AC voltage, the voltage alternates which cause an electrical current change all the time. Thus one will get a chock constantly after contact. In addition, the AC voltage from the alternator has to go through an AC-to-DC converter in order to run a DC motor. Inside the DC motor, there is also a DC-to-AC converter. All motors have magnetic coils. A coil must be run by an AC current, in order, to produce a magnetic field for the armature of a motor to turn.

 

 

 

I love this place so much.

 

Thanks again for the great atmosphere.

 

You welcome....!!!

This great atmosphere allow us to express how much do we know rather than what do we know.......!!!

Edited September 15, 2013 by ChiDragon

[Marblehead]

The reason one get a shock from a DC source is because at the first initial contact there was a sudden change in the current flow. After the initial contact, there was no more change in the current flow. Thus no more shock.

 

The alternator puts out an AC voltage, the voltage alternates which cause an electrical current change all the time. Thus one will get a chock constantly after contact. In addition, the AC voltage from the alternator has to go through an AC-to-DC converter in order to run a DC motor. Inside the DC motor, there is also a DC-to-AC converter. All motors have magnetic coils. A coil must be run by an AC current, in order, to produce a magnetic field for the armature of a motor to turn.

Sounds valid to me. That is, except for one instant:

 

In the Army, in the old days, that is, my old days, in the 1950s and 1960s, we had a telephone that had a hand crank generator for giving a ring current. It was 90 volts pulsating DC current. And I promise you, no matter how long you held the wires you would get an electrical shock as long as someone was cranking the telephone.

 

Now, it may be true that this pulsating DC current was converted to AC. I never investigated that.

[Brian]

Big difference between "no more current flow" and "no more change in the current flow..."